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TN football player wants rape case dismissed because unconscious victim was ‘promiscu

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Jerry said:
I wouldn't know. It seems others don't know, either. An OP should show that history as the pretext for the rant.
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Of course you wouldn't know. May I suggest some reading that may enlighten you about the problem?
The Campus Sexual Assault (CSA) Study

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Paxaeon said:
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Good question. Why did you reply to it?
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Because I thought it was a good question too.
 
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Paxaeon said:
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Of course you wouldn't know. May I suggest some reading that may enlighten you about the problem?
The Campus Sexual Assault (CSA) Study

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That would have been a great source to have in the OP.

I would point out that your link says that sex with a woman who is drunk is still rape. I think that's some dangerous grey area.
 
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Paxaeon said:
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There are more than a few issues here; 1) The persistent rape culture amongst some men and the 2) proliferation of privileged and coddled life of star athletes in college who assume rape is a benefit. However, what I find offensive is the assumption that supposed promiscuity and drinking makes rape justifiable.
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What with the nimber of false rape claims being so high, I'll wait until after this kid is convicted to be outraged.
 
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Paxaeon said:
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While you are free to voice your opinion, I am free to voice mine. You don't agree with my opinion on this, that's fine with me.
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How did you get that from my comment?
 
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MrVicchio said:
It wasn't the first
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Of course not, but not all allegations are created equal.
 
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apdst said:
What with the nimber of false rape claims being so high, I'll wait until after this kid is convicted to be outraged.
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I'm not outraged, but I do find it strange that his defense isn't that it was consensual, but that she was slutty. Maybe she is a slut, but she can still say no if she wants to. If she was unconcious, I don't see how it could be anything but. "She might have said yes if she was awake" is not consent.
 
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rocket88 said:
I'm not outraged, but I do find it strange that his defense isn't that it was consensual, but that she was slutty. Maybe she is a slut, but she can still say no if she wants to. If she was unconcious, I don't see how it could be anything but. "She might have said yes if she was awake" is not consent.
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I agree, that's an odd defense, if that's what his defense actually is and not a shake-n-bake version of his defense.
 
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Mason66 said:
Is the fact that she was inconcious in dispute here?
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I dunno'. To me, the situation here is with the OP's assumption of automatic guilt upon accusation sans the entire presentation of evidence and the OP's ire concerning the defense counsel actions in moving for dismissal..

I hold the automatic assessment of guilt upon accusation as abominable as the crime particularly when it appears to be one person's word against another.

Let's keep our blood pressure down, wait, and hear the future verdict.

Have a great day Mason

Thom Paine
 
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apdst said:
What with the nimber of false rape claims being so high, I'll wait until after this kid is convicted to be outraged.
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"FBI reports from 1996 consistently put the number of "unfounded" rape accusations around 8%. In contrast, the average rate of unfounded reports for "Index crimes" tracked by the FBI is 2%" - Source​

I fully support the full prosecution of any female who falsely reports a rape.
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clownboy said:
You're missing number 3 - Scumbag lawyers who will jump any shark to get their clients off even when they know their clients did the deed.
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For the future ... research the term "officer of the court"

Thom Paine
 
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Thom Paine said:
I dunno'. To me, the situation here is with the OP's assumption of automatic guilt upon accusation sans the entire presentation of evidence and the OP's ire concerning the defense counsel actions in moving for dismissal.. I hold the automatic assessment of guilt upon accusation as abominable as the crime particularly when it appears to be one person's word against another. Let's keep our blood pressure down, wait, and hear the future verdict.Have a great day Mason
Thom Paine
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You are right about one thing; you don't know. Please point out where I said or alluded to the supposition that the accused student was guilty. I'm curious myself.
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Paxaeon said:
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"FBI reports from 1996 consistently put the number of "unfounded" rape accusations around 8%. In contrast, the average rate of unfounded reports for "Index crimes" tracked by the FBI is 2%" - Source​

I fully support the full prosecution of any female who falsely reports a rape.
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Yet, you're ready to hang any man accused of rape without a trial.
 
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Thom Paine said:
I dunno'. To me, the situation here is with the OP's assumption of automatic guilt upon accusation sans the entire presentation of evidence and the OP's ire concerning the defense counsel actions in moving for dismissal..

I hold the automatic assessment of guilt upon accusation as abominable as the crime particularly when it appears to be one person's word against another.

Let's keep our blood pressure down, wait, and hear the future verdict.

Have a great day Mason

Thom Paine
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Thanks Thom.

If she was unconcious, how could it be her Word against his if she has no words? Was that a figure of speech?

I would like to see witness atatements as to what happened that night.
 
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Mason66 said:
Thanks Thom.

If she was unconcious, how could it be her Word against his if she has no words? Was that a figure of speech?

I would like to see witness atatements as to what happened that night.
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Yep ! Me Too !

Keep the sunny side up :peace

Thom Paine
 
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clownboy said:
I agree with most of that, except the part about it being the job. The job of the defense attorney is to legally represent their clients before the law. It is not (or should not be), as it has come to be known, to get their clients off even when they know they are guilty.
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In the real world, it is
 
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apdst said:
Yet, you're ready to hang any man accused of rape without a trial.
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I don't think so. However, if that's what you want to believe, have at it.
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Paxaeon said:
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I don't think so. However, if that's what you want to believe, have at it.
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still waiting for you to prove your rape culture among men accusation. so far the only thing you posted was 3 irrelevent opinion pieces.
 
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Jerry said:
That would have been a great source to have in the OP.

I would point out that your link says that sex with a woman who is drunk is still rape. I think that's some dangerous grey area.
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It also says
e, Koss, Gidycz, and Wisniewski (1987) found that nearly 20% of
college-aged males reported obtaining some type of sexual contact through coercion, with
1% reporting perpetration of oral or anal penetration through the use of physical force.
Based on a small convenience sample of university men, Tyler, Hoyt, and Whitbeck (1998)
found that 3% of male respondents reported using physical force to obtain sexual
intercourse and 23% used alcohol or drugs to obtain sexual intercourse—prevalence rates
that were surprisingly similar to the
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You may also want read what it says about fraternities on page 2-11
 
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sangha said:
It also says
You may also want read what it says about fraternities on page 2-11
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And where are we going with this?
 
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Jerry said:
And where are we going with this?
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Oh, I don't know.

The fact that a significant portion of college males they surveyed have used force, alcohol and drugs to get sex might have some relevance to a discussion about whether a significant number of males believe that it's OK to have sex with someone who is unconscious from alcohol or drugs.

Or maybe not :shrug:
 
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In a way I can kinda see where the kid is coming from, though it won't save him in court. If you live in a roommate situation and you frequently buy food for everyone...what real difference does it make if someone has some of that food while you're sleeping? You already established that it's basically community property anyway.

So, yeah, it's not going to save him in court, he should have picked up a book instead of a bottle and kept the girls out of his room, because this is exactly the sort of trap women lay to catch men in. It's perfectly avoidable, though, and he has only himself to blame. I highly doubt this girl truly minds (or if she even noticed until someone told her and she felt guilty), I think she just sees the money to be had.

Collages should really do more to protect themselves from this sort of thing.
 
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sangha said:
Oh, I don't know.

The fact that a significant portion of college males they surveyed have used force, alcohol and drugs to get sex might have some relevance to a discussion about whether a significant number of males believe that it's OK to have sex with someone who is unconscious from alcohol or drugs.

Or maybe not :shrug:
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Let's consider our collective finger wagged in their general direction, then.

Now what? Has OP established a ChipIn for rape victims or something?
 
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Jerry said:
Collages should really do more to protect themselves from this sort of thing.
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The President seems to agree with you on that.
White House to Press Colleges to Do More to Combat Rape
By JENNIFER STEINHAUERAPRIL 28, 2014
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WASHINGTON — Reacting to a series of highly publicized rapes on college campuses, the White House on Monday released guidelines that increase the pressure on universities to more aggressively combat sexual assaults on campus.

The recommendations urge colleges, among other measures, to conduct anonymous surveys about sexual assault cases, adopt anti-assault policies that have been considered successful at other universities and to better ensure that the reports of such crimes remain confidential. The guidelines are contained in a report by a White House task force that President Obama formed early this year, and the administration is likely to ask Congress to pass measures that would enforce the recommendations and levy penalties for failing to do so. The government will also open a website, NotAlone.gov, to track enforcement and provide victims with information.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/29/us/tougher-battle-on-sex-assault-on-campus-urged.html?_r=0
 
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Jerry said:
Let's consider our collective finger wagged in their general direction, then.
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that's a start!! :thumbs:
Now what? Has OP established a ChipIn for rape victims or something?
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I have no idea what that means
 
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