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Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept

Probably most if not all Walmart trucks.



Yeah, they keep tinkering because demand for goods and getting it there is so critical. Puts greater pressure on transportation companies and drivers to deliver.

I would say all Wal-Mart company trucks.

They keep tinkering with it because the new rules are stupid.
 
It was unlawful back when I drove too. I sometimes kept 3 log books, we used to call them comic books.

Got stopped in Alabama once, the trooper ordered me out of the cab and stepped up and grabbed my log book, I'm sort of glad he didn't grab the wrong one, as it was, I was written for not writing in coming out of the sleeper and back on duty. A stupid mistake. But, when I was tired, I would turn down runs and loads, I wasn't their most liked driver at CP America.

That's why I like my electric log; when it's quittin time, it's quittin time. **** all that super trucker bull****.
 
First all of the news broadcasts I have seen say the truck "slammed" in to the vehicle. It is not true.
 
Prosecutor: Trucker in Tracy Morgan crash hadn't slept



This is inexplicable, how can this happen? Aren't those Walmart drivers tracked per DOT regulations? If they are, why didn't his dispatcher tell him he needed time off?

This accident should never have happened IMO.

it is highly illegal to cook the books when running the clock,tattlers are there to tell,so the company must have known it was going on.

the dot takes semi trucks seriously,after all most highways allow up to 80k pounds or 40 tons carried by these trucks,making them deadly in any crash.if the driver was found cooking the books to get more money or cheating the tracking computer,he will likely face jail time since injury and death were involved.however from my experience whenever any otr diesel company has such an accident,the dot tends to come in like their the fbi and start grabbing all records related to that driver,his supervisor etc,well atleast in texas they do,and they tend to nail everyone responsible not just the lowest on the ladder involved.


this is why most companies do such strenuous paperwork,so if such an event does happen,they can rule out their guy or show his guilt,so anyone smart in such a position crosses his t's amd dots his i's,and does everything within legality.
 
it is highly illegal to cook the books when running the clock,tattlers are there to tell,so the company must have known it was going on.

the dot takes semi trucks seriously,after all most highways allow up to 80k pounds or 40 tons carried by these trucks,making them deadly in any crash.if the driver was found cooking the books to get more money or cheating the tracking computer,he will likely face jail time since injury and death were involved.however from my experience whenever any otr diesel company has such an accident,the dot tends to come in like their the fbi and start grabbing all records related to that driver,his supervisor etc,well atleast in texas they do,and they tend to nail everyone responsible not just the lowest on the ladder involved.


this is why most companies do such strenuous paperwork,so if such an event does happen,they can rule out their guy or show his guilt,so anyone smart in such a position crosses his t's amd dots his i's,and does everything within legality.

In all farness, we don't know what evidence the prosecuter has to back up his accusation.
 
In all farness, we don't know what evidence the prosecuter has to back up his accusation.

well we dont,but trucks have black boxes like planes do,as well as tattlers,plus all paperwork is required by law to be maintained.the books can be cooked so long as an accident never happens and no one has a reason to check them,but records will show if the driver was at fault,his supervisor,or both.
 
well we dont,but trucks have black boxes like planes do,as well as tattlers,plus all paperwork is required by law to be maintained.the books can be cooked so long as an accident never happens and no one has a reason to check them,but records will show if the driver was at fault,his supervisor,or both.

If he was running on electric logs--Qualcom, Peoplenet, etc--the log book can't be falsified, without the system flagging the violation/alteration.

Something I can't help but wonder, does the prosecuter mean that the driver didn't get any sleep during an off duty period? Either during his 10 hour break, or his 34 hour break. That would be harder to prove and require some eye wtness testimony and not necessarily a "violation", but would definitely place all the liability on the driver.
 
If he was running on electric logs--Qualcom, Peoplenet, etc--the log book can't be falsified, without the system flagging the violation/alteration.

Something I can't help but wonder, does the prosecuter mean that the driver didn't get any sleep during an off duty period? Either during his 10 hour break, or his 34 hour break. That would be harder to prove and require some eye wtness testimony and not necessarily a "violation", but would definitely place all the liability on the driver.

whether he cheated or he couldnt sleep would be determined in court.

however even with electronic logs,the book can be cheated,but it requires alot more than just the driver.say for example his logs were sent strait to the company,the person in charge would have to be in on it knowing that he was cheating,or in the other scenario he tampered with the black box.its getting harder and harder to tamper with black boxes and tattlers but to thhis day ive seen people do it,ofcouse it only lasts so long as dot is not involved,because the dot can easily determine if the system has been tamptered with,but overall they dont check everyone,as the manpower involved would be too much,so they tend to review results aftermath.
 
whether he cheated or he couldnt sleep would be determined in court.

however even with electronic logs,the book can be cheated,but it requires alot more than just the driver.say for example his logs were sent strait to the company,the person in charge would have to be in on it knowing that he was cheating,or in the other scenario he tampered with the black box.its getting harder and harder to tamper with black boxes and tattlers but to thhis day ive seen people do it,ofcouse it only lasts so long as dot is not involved,because the dot can easily determine if the system has been tamptered with,but overall they dont check everyone,as the manpower involved would be too much,so they tend to review results aftermath.


Neither the driver, nor the company can cheat the electric logs, period. The operator of the system--in my case it's peoplenet--can see everything we do. Peoplenet will automatically terminate the service and report the company to the Feds in the event the company is found altering the system. These companies have millions of dollars at stake and aren't going to lose it because a trucking company wants to outlaw their logs. Electric log operators like Peoplenet and Qualcomm are under a Federal microscope and have to be approved by the Feds to even market their product.

Paper logs can be faked all day long, but not electric logs.
 
Neither the driver, nor the company can cheat the electric logs, period. The operator of the system--in my case it's peoplenet--can see everything we do. Peoplenet will automatically terminate the service and report the company to the Feds in the event the company is found altering the system. These companies have millions of dollars at stake and aren't going to lose it because a trucking company wants to outlaw their logs. Electric log operators like Peoplenet and Qualcomm are under a Federal microscope and have to be approved by the Feds to even market their product.

Paper logs can be faked all day long, but not electric logs.

it might depend on the company or state regs as well,i know in texas people still cheat the system,and dont get caught until an accident when the dot siezes all records and reviews them.

fyi systems that detect alteration have been around awhile,ofcourse people wanting to make more money tend to be ingenious,and have cheated software,hence why the dot reviews all facets,if any system was fullproof we wouldnt have needed so many paper backups logs and mechanical tattlers.
 
it might depend on the company or state regs as well,i know in texas people still cheat the system,and dont get caught until an accident when the dot siezes all records and reviews them.

fyi systems that detect alteration have been around awhile,ofcourse people wanting to make more money tend to be ingenious,and have cheated software,hence why the dot reviews all facets,if any system was fullproof we wouldnt have needed so many paper backups logs and mechanical tattlers.

If a trucking company was interested in cheating their logs, they wouldnt purchase an electronic logbook service to begin with.

You make a good point about a paper log as a backup. This driver's system may have went down and he was running paper logs, in which case he couod have renegaded the **** out of his log.
 
If a trucking company was interested in cheating their logs, they wouldnt purchase an electronic logbook service to begin with.

You make a good point about a paper log as a backup. This driver's system may have went down and he was running paper logs, in which case he couod have renegaded the **** out of his log.

well regulations are only as good as the people regulating them,hence as i said electronic can be cheated,but it requires more people in on it.

i knew a driver who went to jail because he got into a wreck,and the dot investigation showed he had altered the software in the black box,his mechanical tattler and black box didnt match.their investigation shown he was cheating the system,as was his direct supervisor who knew the paper logs,electric logs,and mechanical tattler didnt match,and looked the other way.he got 4 years prison,the supervisor got probation and all cdl license rights removed,so he was bassically unable to work any position in any cdl company for violating law,though he could legally drive his own car.
 
An 18 wheeler tanker truck in the left (center) lane crossed the line on a four lane highway and hit my new car in the right lane last month. We were both traveling in the same direction. I was traveling 45 mph, speed limit, and he hit the driver side rear wheel, spun my car in front of him, and pushed me sideways for about 300 feet according to the police. I thought I was going to die because I just knew my car was going to roll over, but it didn't. Looking out the driver side window all I could see was the grill of the 18 wheeler as he pushed my car down the road. I went to the hospital in an ambulance on a wooden board with a neck brace on.

As it turns out I had whiplash and was better after several doctor and chiropractic visits. My new car, which had less than 900 miles on it had structural and other damage that cost over $10,000 to repair. I fought with the insurance company to total the car but they wouldn't.

I can't find an attorney to take the case because I'm not dead or maimed. Now I'm stuck with having to deal with the other guy's insurance company about the depreciated value of my car, compensation for my missed work time, and my wife's missed work time because of the accident. Bastards!

18 wheelers are dangerous. Whatever repercussion the driver of that wreck gets, because it was no accident, he deserves. **** the legal responsibilities of his employer or insurance company, he was driving the truck.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063386489 said:
An 18 wheeler tanker truck in the left (center) lane crossed the line on a four lane highway and hit my new car in the right lane last month. We were both traveling in the same direction. I was traveling 45 mph, speed limit, and he hit the driver side rear wheel, spun my car in front of him, and pushed me sideways for about 300 feet according to the police. I thought I was going to die because I just knew my car was going to roll over, but it didn't. Looking out the driver side window all I could see was the grill of the 18 wheeler as he pushed my car down the road. I went to the hospital in an ambulance on a wooden board with a neck brace on.

As it turns out I had whiplash and was better after several doctor and chiropractic visits. My new car, which had less than 900 miles on it had structural and other damage that cost over $10,000 to repair. I fought with the insurance company to total the car but they wouldn't.

I can't find an attorney to take the case because I'm not dead or maimed. Now I'm stuck with having to deal with the other guy's insurance company about the depreciated value of my car, compensation for my missed work time, and my wife's missed work time because of the accident. Bastards!

18 wheelers are dangerous. Whatever repercussion the driver of that wreck gets, because it was no accident, he deserves. **** the legal responsibilities of his employer or insurance company, he was driving the truck.

Glad you're still here with us! :thumbs: I can't imagine going through what you did! Terrifying!

Greetings, Mo. :2wave:
 
Glad you're still here with us! :thumbs: I can't imagine going through what you did! Terrifying!

Greetings, Mo. :2wave:

Greetings polgara!

Thank you. I'm glad to still be here too. Now I'm just frustrated.
 
Drivers should be paid by the hour not the mile and that includes hours spent getting loaded and unloaded. Paid by the mile is a recipe for carnage.

that's all we need
the slow lane clogged with semis traveling at 40 MPH
 
Drivers should be paid by the hour not the mile and that includes hours spent getting loaded and unloaded. Paid by the mile is a recipe for carnage.

I get paid by the hour and lovin' it!
 
You won't have to worry about that...lol!

if they are being paid by the hour instead of the mile?
they will be slow driving like municipal employees
 
if they are being paid by the hour instead of the mile?
they will be slow driving like municipal employees

No, they won't...lol! I work with houry drivers and they go as fast as they can get away with.
 
that's all we need
the slow lane clogged with semis traveling at 40 MPH

I guess the drivers where I live must get paid by the job because they drive fast as Hell here. There's been four 18 wheeler accidents in the past few months that I know about involving cars. I really wish there were new laws that would place a serious financial burden on the driver, the carrier, and make the insurance company pay up dearly for any loss due to a tractor trailer wreck that is the operator's fault.

I'm talking financial ruin and even jail time. Then see how many 18 wheeler wrecks there are in the US.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063386489 said:
An 18 wheeler tanker truck in the left (center) lane crossed the line on a four lane highway and hit my new car in the right lane last month. We were both traveling in the same direction. I was traveling 45 mph, speed limit, and he hit the driver side rear wheel, spun my car in front of him, and pushed me sideways for about 300 feet according to the police. I thought I was going to die because I just knew my car was going to roll over, but it didn't. Looking out the driver side window all I could see was the grill of the 18 wheeler as he pushed my car down the road. I went to the hospital in an ambulance on a wooden board with a neck brace on.

As it turns out I had whiplash and was better after several doctor and chiropractic visits. My new car, which had less than 900 miles on it had structural and other damage that cost over $10,000 to repair. I fought with the insurance company to total the car but they wouldn't.

I can't find an attorney to take the case because I'm not dead or maimed. Now I'm stuck with having to deal with the other guy's insurance company about the depreciated value of my car, compensation for my missed work time, and my wife's missed work time because of the accident. Bastards!

18 wheelers are dangerous. Whatever repercussion the driver of that wreck gets, because it was no accident, he deserves. **** the legal responsibilities of his employer or insurance company, he was driving the truck.

Find MaggieD. She might be able to give you some pointers about depreciated value. She posted a pretty informative thread about it a month or two ago.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063389715 said:
I guess the drivers where I live must get paid by the job because they drive fast as Hell here. There's been four 18 wheeler accidents in the past few months that I know about involving cars. I really wish there were new laws that would place a serious financial burden on the driver, the carrier, and make the insurance company pay up dearly for any loss due to a tractor trailer wreck that is the operator's fault.



Statistically speaking, 3 of those wrecks were the car's fault.

I'm talking financial ruin and even jail time. Then see how many 18 wheeler wrecks there are in the US.

You got your wish and then some. Even if the driver, trucking company isn't at fault, they can still be held responsible; including financial ruin and jail time.

A guy hired on with my company back in March. He went on a job to New Jersey and while he was in Pennsylvania, a woman changed lanes into him. There were four witnesses that said she hit him, he was going 5 mph below the speed limit, his logbook was straight, but he was charged with, "failure to prevent an accident". It was ruled that he should have seen her coming and tried to prevent the collision. The company settled out of court for a million bucks and he had to find another job, because his CSA score is fried.
 
Statistically speaking, 3 of those wrecks were the car's fault.



You got your wish and then some. Even if the driver, trucking company isn't at fault, they can still be held responsible; including financial ruin and jail time.

A guy hired on with my company back in March. He went on a job to New Jersey and while he was in Pennsylvania, a woman changed lanes into him. There were four witnesses that said she hit him, he was going 5 mph below the speed limit, his logbook was straight, but he was charged with, "failure to prevent an accident". It was ruled that he should have seen her coming and tried to prevent the collision. The company settled out of court for a million bucks and he had to find another job, because his CSA score is fried.

Its kind of hard to prevent an accident driving an 18 wheeler when someone hits you.
 
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