Speculation Builds on Michelle Obama Senate Run

Thrilla said:

Beiber is not qualified ( thank god) the rest are all extremely flawed characters and/or dead... no thanks.

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WHen has that stopped congressmen from being elected?

Buck Ewer said:

So would this.
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Christie has a big resume'

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:lamo

VanceMack said:

WHen has that stopped congressmen from being elected?

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never.... but it has always stopped me from voting for them... and that's all i can do.

ecofarm said:

But that's not what you're saying. You're saying that very accomplished individuals have done nothing. Your own personal expectations for congress and presidential qualification aside, you're engaged in belittling very successful women.

I find it a rather difficult thing to avoid.

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No. I have not said that very accomplished individual have done nothing. I said that a fancy title and a big salary are not necessarily an accomplishment, most especially when they are a payoff or perks in a political machine. Try to keep up okay?

AlbqOwl said:

I have also worked in a law firm and have taught at the university level. And that in no way qualified me to be a senator or president.

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Wait, what?

On a practical level, anyone who can process information and give orders can be a senator or president.

On a moral level, this is a republic -- any civilian-citizen that can convince the body politic they should be the leader is certified to rule by their election. The hermit who lived in a cave for thirty years deserves to be president if he can convince the public his is the heart of a leader.

AlbqOwl said:

No. I have not said that very accomplished individual have done nothing. I said that a fancy title and a big salary are not necessarily an accomplishment, most especially when they are a payoff or perks in a political machine. Try to keep up okay?

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Spare me the "try to keep up". They're very accomplished individuals, each in their own right. Belittling them with "never did anything but get married" is just that.

Morality Games said:

Wait, what?

On a practical level, anyone who can process information and give orders can be a senator or president.

On a moral level, this is a republic -- any civilian-citizen that can convince the body politic they should be the leader is certified to rule by their election. The hermit who lived in a cave for thirty years deserves to be president if he can convince the public his is the heart of a leader.

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On a practical level, the Peter Principle is as valid today as it was when Laurence Peter wrote the theory almost 50 years ago. As Ross Perot put it, if a guy is very competent at running the local hardware store, that does not extrapolate to him being competent to run Wal-mart. So yes, anybody, from the local janitor all the way up to the highest echelons of government, constitution, and industry can aspire to be a Congressman or Senator or President of the United States. But that does not extrapolate to everybody having the skills, temperament, vision, or ability to do a good job doing that or being effective in the job.

AlbqOwl said:

On a practical level, the Peter Principle is as valid today as it was when Laurence Peter wrote the theory almost 50 years ago. As Ross Perot put it, if a guy is very competent at running the local hardware store, that does not extrapolate to him being competent to run Wal-mart. So yes, anybody, from the local janitor all the way up to the highest echelons of government, constitution, and industry can aspire to be a Congressman or Senator or President of the United States. But that does not extrapolate to everybody having the skills, temperament, vision, or ability to do a good job doing that or being effective in the job.

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The skills it takes to be a Congressmen these days aren't the ones that make one effective at the job, so its a moot point; the hermit and whatever dysfunction he may or may not bring with his lack of practice is an equally valid choice alongside Joe Banker and Bill Lawyer. Having the skills to get things done is irrelevant when the system checkmates action so that society winds up grinding along into economic and political oblivion.

Morality Games said:

The skills it takes to be a Congressmen these days aren't the ones that make one effective at the job, so its a moot point; the hermit and whatever dysfunction he may or may not bring with his lack of practice is an equally valid choice alongside Joe Banker and Bill Lawyer. Having the skills to get things done is irrelevant when the system checkmates action so that society winds up grinding along into economic and political oblivion.

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So what skills do you think it takes to be an effective Congressman or Senator or President these days? Not the skills I mean to perpetuate the permanent political class, but the skills we the people expect those we elect to high office to have?

This is assuming that management skills are irrelevant, or an understanding of what is important to commerce and industry or what constitutes effective education or the dynamics that give people an incentive to take calculated risks to try, to build, grow, improve, expand, innovate, and experiment, or the importance of liberty, family, community, and values.

Buck Ewer said:

So would this.
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You say Christie, I say crispy, he was almost toast over bridge-gate.

ecofarm said:

But that's not what you're saying. You're saying that very accomplished individuals have done nothing. Your own personal expectations for congress and presidential qualification aside, you're engaged in belittling very successful women.




I find it a rather difficult thing to avoid.

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So what qualifies her for the Senate?

This is the political reality of IL

a few counties holding the rest of the State hostage.






It's an apartheid State for chrissake...


Until we can devise a way to correct this, we'll always be putting crooks, criminals, and other cockamamie candidates in office.

ChezC3 said:

This is the political reality of IL

a few counties holding the rest of the State hostage.


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It's an apartheid State for chrissake...


Until we can devise a way to correct this, we'll always be putting crooks, criminals, and other cockamamie candidates in office.

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Does land vote? Grant tumbleweeds the privilege and you'll solve your problem.

a351 said:

Does land vote? Grant tumbleweeds the privilege and you'll solve your problem.

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The crooks in Cook County probably have found a way to make it...but as it were, smart ass quips make for poor facts...

12,830,632 IL Pop

5.231,000 Cook County

268,858 St. Clair County

7,748 Alexander County

balance 7,323,026

Don't need tumble weeds to vote there buddy...

j-mac said:

So what qualifies her for the Senate?

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30 years old, citizen for at least nine years and inhabits the state intended to represent.

Thrilla said:

I don't know about him, but my marriage is one of my biggest accomplishments... right up there with raising my kids.

the rest of my accomplishments, credentials,successes, titles, and awards pale in comparison.

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Would you vote for someone who's only accomplishment was "Homemaker"?

reinoe said:

Would you vote for someone who's only accomplishment was "Homemaker"?

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sure... if the homemaker's character and beliefs are in line with what i like in a representative.

homemaker is probably one of the more difficult jobs on the planet, and I would argue the most important.


inversely, I would not want a President, at least any of those we have had, running for the job of Homemaker... they have have the necessary skills or character to to that job correctly.

Thrilla said:

sure... if the homemaker's character and beliefs are in line with what i like in a representative.

homemaker is probably one of the more difficult jobs on the planet, and I would argue the most important.


inversely, I would not want a President, at least any of those we have had, running for the job of Homemaker... they have have the necessary skills or character to to that job correctly.

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This thinking is why we have members in congress that think island can flip over. Others think that the constitution is 400 years old and that they should write obamas executive orders.

You think those representatives know how to even write a law or have the forethought to think through the OVERALL ramifications of any laws they write?

Please

votemout said:

This thinking is why we have members in congress that think island can flip over. Others think that the constitution is 400 years old and that they should write obamas executive orders.

You think those representatives know how to even write a law or have the forethought to think through the OVERALL ramifications of any laws they write?

Please

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yeah, and those idiots are elected officials with all the right credentials and accomplishments...... and look at the shape of our government under their control.

i trust homemakers far more than i do these "elites" and their credentials.... these elites deal in bull****, the homemakers don't have time for that.

I don't care if they know how to write a law they way they are written now... I'd wager they would write a law that people can actually understand though.
as for the overall ramifications... that's not a consideration now, why would that be a problem the housemaker has to face?

j-mac said:

FLOTUS for Senate?It wasn't that long ago that such a slogan would seem absurd, but political wags are beginning to wonder whether Michelle Obama is mulling a run for Illinois Sen. Mark Kirk's seat in 2016.
A Thursday column in Reuters suggests that Obama would be the only candidate with a large enough profile to unseat the Republican.


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Dear God NO! What is wrong with this country....:doh

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I took this as a joke, throw the liberal kids a bone with a fun non-story about Mrs Obama

Thrilla said:

yeah, and those idiots are elected officials with all the right credentials and accomplishments...... and look at the shape of our government under their control.

i trust homemakers far more than i do these "elites" and their credentials.... these elites deal in bull****, the homemakers don't have time for that.

I don't care if they know how to write a law they way they are written now... I'd wager they would write a law that people can actually understand though.
as for the overall ramifications... that's not a consideration now, why would that be a problem the housemaker has to face?

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Actually you're making an excellent argument here and have made me back up and think through the concept from a somewhat different perspective.

As it is now, we have a Congress populated with a professional permanent political class interested only in increasing their own power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth either as a member of Congress or high level bureaucrat or in a carefully engineered private sector extension of that esteemed body. And the huge majority of those members are attorneys with the skills to write law with deliberately confusing or ambiguous language that they can use to perpetuate their personal goals as they need to do that.

The most visionary people going to Congress or appointed or hired into the bureaucracy get sucked into that. If they do not, they don't last long. They are not awarded good committee assignments; they are not put into line for promotion; they are not beneficiaries of lucrative campaign cash, they are not given face time to become household names, they are not privy to closed door planning sessions, etc.

At least homemakers, if they could be kept separate from the professional political class, would write laws that made sense to them and that they would look forward to living under when they returned home.

But there is the problem of whether they would have the skill and savvy to fully understand how commerce and industry best works in a global economy, etc. or whether they would be too dependent on professional bureaucrats to tell them what they had to do.

americanwoman said:

Are you seriously claiming there are tons of qualified people in congress right now? People without the same background, no matter how it was attained, as Michelle Obama.

I'm just going to randomly choose a couple and let's find out their credentials shall we:

About Cory | Cory Booker | U.S. Senator for New Jersey
Cory Booker - D NJ / lawyer / non profits

Biography - About Bob Corker - United States Senator Bob Corker, Tennessee

Bob Corker- R TN / worked as a construction worker before starting his own company and expanding and led a non profit organization.




moving on to the house:

Full Biography | Congressman Trent Franks
Trent Franks - R AZ / state house of representatives, director of a non profit organization

Biography | Congressman Mike Thompson
Mike Thompason - D CA/ vineyard owner and former university teacher





And I am sure the list goes on. Are you so blindly partisan that you cannot say yes, she does have qualifications the same as others elected however I don't like her. It's just that simple.

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Well, if you look closely, you may notice that their political careers did not start with national office, even the rather unimpressive national office of Representative. All of them started out in local or state office before moving up to the national level. It is possible that Mrs. Obama would have been able to make the same move up the ladder without her husband, but it is safe to say that if she is able to make the leap straight to Senator that it is because her time as FLOTUS significantly raised her public profile to the point where it was possible for her to avoid the whole process. Not to suggest she did not have some success, but her success would not have made her a viable candidate in a U.S. Senate election. Nepotism reigns supreme in American politics as it always has, this is just an example of the fairer sex more successfully exploiting money, privilege, and access, than ever before to advance their position over the less fortunate American proles just like men have for generations. Yay gender equality!

j-mac said:

Dear God NO! What is wrong with this country....:doh

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Nothing to do with her running. The country is strong enough to handle differing opinions and school of thought. In fact, the greater threat is from those who think the only way to last is to have everyone think alike.

Boo Radley said:

Nothing to do with her running. The country is strong enough to handle differing opinions and school of thought. In fact, the greater threat is from those who think the only way to last is to have everyone think alike.

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The only way to last as the first Americans intended with the Constitution is to honor the intent of that Constitution. The Founders certainly did not see eye to eye on every issue which is why it took them all those years to hammer out a Constitution they all could live with and even then a few who participated in the process could not bring themselves to sign it. Nor did the Founders expect everybody to think alike or march in lockstep. The one thing they did agree on is that we would not be a country in which everybody had to think alike, believe alike, agree, conform, or else be punished. THAT is what we are losing because we have so many who no longer agree with a Constitution that allows people to be who and what they are with impunity so long as they respect the rights of others.

Nicnam said:

I took this as a joke, throw the liberal kids a bone with a fun non-story about Mrs Obama

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Nope. I think more a few cool and wise heads are properly observing that Michelle is being groomed for Congress--whether due to payback or whatever other deal has been cut with the Chicago machine or whatever--and these initial stories leaked out are the initial trial balloons to see how that might fly. We will know if her personal approval rating doesn't take a nose dive--right now that approval rating is significantly higher than her husband's.