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UPDATE: Pay-To-Pee Teacher Faces No Discipline[W:146]

tres borrachos said:
The other 2 aren't covered by a 504 plan. But as I said, luckily, this issue isn't in my schools and I never heard of kids being charged for potty breaks, so I don't have to worry about it.
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As one student is covered and protected by a 504 plan on the basis of a unique and pressing medical need, what exactly is the medical danger involved in passes which allow for students experiencing an imminent release?

Lastly, just in case, they are being charged with fake money. It's a personally distributed limited pass system.
 
The idea of the lesson plan isn't that bad. But the pay to go to the bathroom thing is not connected to reality or the stated purpose of the lesson plan. It's just a stupid, stupid idea that will and should land this teacher in hot water.
 
tres borrachos said:
I have a teenager who was born with kidney issues, if you must know. I can assure you when he was 7, he didn't know the impact a UTI could have on him, which is what he gets when he holds his urine. If a teacher forbade him from using the rest room, he would have a medical emergency. Pretty simple.

I agree with the others that some things shouldn't be chargeable, and I have an opinion that some things also shouldn't be dangerous.
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Do you inform their instructors of this condition? If not you should. It makes a huge difference in how one would treat the situation. Most kids don't have that condition and rules shouldn't be made for an exception, but an exception should be made in the rules. I have never went to a public school that didn't have some sort of pass. The reason is to keep some semblance of order in the class and school. I think we can agree there is a major difference between a kid going to the restroom every five minutes because of a medical condition and one who goes because they are bored or whatever.
 
tres borrachos said:
Your father sounds like he is/was a good man. Did the dean paddle you literally or figuratively?
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back in the day schools were still allowed to discipline students in fact parents signed acknowledgements that they were allowed to discipline. more so at a private school.
i remember back in the day the school had a wooden paddle with holes in it. it was in the principles office.

i got it one time because i stood on a basketball after i was told to stop, but ol well.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Do you inform their instructors of this condition? If not you should. It makes a huge difference in how one would treat the situation. Most kids don't have that condition and rules shouldn't be made for an exception, but an exception should be made in the rules. I have never went to a public school that didn't have some sort of pass. The reason is to keep some semblance of order in the class and school. I think we can agree there is a major difference between a kid going to the restroom every five minutes because of a medical condition and one who goes because they are bored or whatever.
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Yes they had a hall pass to go to the bathroom, but never did they ever charge for it.

again a 3rd grader is going to pick candy and popcorn over bathroom every time.
it is a stupid idea and this teacher should be punished for their actions.

he should be made to drink a ton of water and then sit there and not allowed to go to the bathroom unless he can pay. the charge for him is 1000 dollars and he gets 1 dollar for every good thing he can think of and he isn't allowed to go to the bathroom.

of course when he pee's his pants we can all laugh at him because he couldn't go in time.
 
ludin said:
Yes they had a hall pass to go to the bathroom, but never did they ever charge for it.

again a 3rd grader is going to pick candy and popcorn over bathroom every time.
it is a stupid idea and this teacher should be punished for their actions.

he should be made to drink a ton of water and then sit there and not allowed to go to the bathroom unless he can pay. the charge for him is 1000 dollars and he gets 1 dollar for every good thing he can think of and he isn't allowed to go to the bathroom.

of course when he pee's his pants we can all laugh at him because he couldn't go in time.
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They aren't charging real money A), B) The fake money was a way of limiting use. C) Fiddley said it best
Alright, but you seem to have this concept that bathroom regulation in the classroom is this surprisingly new and tyrannical idea. It serves as a useful mechanism to instill a disciplined, scheduled restroom routine that still allows for emergencies to override it. You largely are able to keep 20+ students in their desk learning rather than up and about with recreational activities.
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D) Fiddley also said its a bad idea to mix a reward system with the bathroom pass. Which I whole heartedly agree.

As far as the teacher goes, I probably wouldn't especially if they changed their restroom pass policy already. Even smart people do stupid things.
 
Arbo said:
While it seems quite silly and the teacher and any that support such stupidity should be fired…. it is simply preparing the kids for when the time comes that you need an approval from DC to take a crap. You'll of course need an environmental impact study done to support your need to take a crap.

;)
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Never let it be said that you're a partisan hack Arbo. I mean, it's not like you see politics in everything.
 
PirateMk1 said:
They aren't charging real money A), B) The fake money was a way of limiting use. C) Fiddley said it best D) Fiddley also said its a bad idea to mix a reward system with the bathroom pass. Which I whole heartedly agree.

As far as the teacher goes, I probably wouldn't especially if they changed their restroom pass policy already. Even smart people do stupid things.
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fiddley is an idiot as well.

I can see limiting use as they will be up all the time, but charging students to go to the bathroom is stupid.
as i said we take kids away from parents for allowing them to run around in wet or dirty diapers. where is child protective services removing this teacher for letting kids wet themselves.

what is worse is that it will get around school and then they will start being called names.
this goes far beyond having wet pants.
 
tres borrachos said:
I have a teenager who was born with kidney issues, if you must know. I can assure you when he was 7, he didn't know the impact a UTI could have on him, which is what he gets when he holds his urine. If a teacher forbade him from using the rest room, he would have a medical emergency. Pretty simple.

I agree with the others that some things shouldn't be chargeable, and I have an opinion that some things also shouldn't be dangerous.
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Jeezus!!

A UTI is not a medical emergency
 
It's more than ironic that right wingers like to make fun of the consideration of "self esteem" issues when it comes to rearing children but are now freaking out because some child wet their pants.
 
ludin said:
fiddley is an idiot as well.
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When leveling an insult, it's often best to get the user name correct.

I can see limiting use as they will be up all the time, but charging students to go to the bathroom is stupid.
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It's only charging by way of classroom currency or a limited number of classroom permissions. The error from the instructor was tying these permissions to rewards like pizza, candy, or popcorn. I would even be hesitant to tie it to bonus points or having it counted against classroom participation points (not that I would necessarily argue that that is inherently bad practice). This may, in fact, be reflected in a second pending review or what was discussed behind-the-scenes with administrator and instructor. The concept of limiting the number of non-emergency bathroom uses through a system is not tyrannical or abusive and is commonly practiced.
 
grip said:
One of the mother's was livid and wanted the teacher disciplined, which didn't happen. I guess the school Principle approves of letting 3rd graders soil themselves? What a goofy nation we're becoming.
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Maybe I am younger than most people in here but I remember this being a balancing act for teachers when I was a kid. It can be very disruptive to have kids coming and going as they please. What has changed?

This is very difficult for teachers to juggle with who is legit and who is not. I have two kids too. They will pull some sheningans. This sounds like a very sensible option to me. I don't recall ever being denied bathroom visits when I was a kid but I sure as hell didn't ask. I waited for the appropriate time.
 
sangha said:
Jeezus!!

A UTI is not a medical emergency
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A UTI increases bladder function, although that can still be dealt with the system.

When tied to a student with a 504 plan, which her child apparently has, the impact of the UTI may have a unique and more serious impact. If such an impact is noted and an accommodation is given, a teacher has to follow that accommodation by law.
 
grip said:
Now a little kid choosing a treat over the bathroom is not a surprise
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Who is the one that should be punished for being stupid? A grown adult who knows how life works or an emotional kid who hasn't finished childhood training yet?

Don't punish this teacher for doing her job. This job is hard enough. She shouldn't be punished for attempting to keep order in the classroom. We need more creative teachers like this. You guys are whiny just like the little girl that pissed her pants.

Grow the F*** up and stop punishing people for doing their job. That's cruel and irresponsible.
 
Fiddytree said:
A UTI increases bladder function, although that can still be dealt with the system.

When tied to a student with a 504 plan, which her child apparently has, the impact of the UTI may have a unique and more serious impact. If such an impact is noted and an accommodation is given, a teacher has to follow that accommodation by law.
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I agree that no matter what the policy is regarding bathroom passes, children with medical conditions must be given consideration. I was merely noting that the possibility of getting a UTI is not a medical emergency. Undesirable, and if left untreated it could lead to a medical emergency. However, the possibility that holding it in might lead to a UTI (which are highly treatable) does not make it a medical "emergency"
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Going to the bathroom should not be seen as a privilege but rather the right of the student.
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This is stupid. Can the student go 25 times a day in order to get out of doing their school work? This is a complex issue that hasn't been resolved since the invention of mass education. We are still trying to master this problem. No magic solution has been found yet. That is why this teacher shouldn't be criticized. She tried. It didn't work. Some teachers have not tried and just gave up on classroom order. Just give everybody an A and let them do whatever they want to do. F*** teaching the kids. Teachers will just be criticized by overbearing parents that take priority in their child's comfort over their education. Why should they even try? Just give everybody an A and receive no criticism at all. That is the smartest option for a teacher and many of them have taken that route. Not the teacher in the OP and I applaud her for that.

School is not supposed to be comfortable. You are learning new concepts that requires effort to master. School is uncomforable. If being comfortable is priority we should allow parents to choose an alternative such as babysitting services versus education.

If that were the case; these little girls would have been enrolled in the babysitting service and could pee as much as they wanted. They could go to the bathroom any time to avoid the uncomfortable situation of working at their studies.
 
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Hatuey said:
Never let it be said that you're a partisan hack Arbo. I mean, it's not like you see politics in everything.
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To be a partisan, doesn't one have to choose a 'side'? Since you are too stupid to realize that 'DC' doesn't mean D's or R's or I's or L's or G's… I can explain to you it means all of them. I don't even need to get into explaining the sarcasm that was used, as you'd have to understand the above first. Dummy.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
This is stupid. Can the student go 25 times a day in order to get out of doing their school work? This is a complex issue that hasn't been resolved since the invention of mass education. We are still trying to master this problem. No magic solution has been found yet. That is why this teacher shouldn't be criticized. She tried. It didn't work. Some teachers have not tried and just gave up on classroom order. Just give everybody an A and let them do whatever they want to do. F*** teaching the kids. Teachers will just be criticized by overbearing parents that take priority in their child's comfort over their education. Why should they even try? Just give everybody an A and receive no criticism at all. That is the smartest option for a teacher and many of them have taken that route. Not the teacher in the OP and I applaud her for that.

School is not supposed to be comfortable. You are learning new concepts that requires effort to master. School is uncomforable. If being comfortable is priority we should allow parents to choose an alternative such as babysitting services versus education.

If that were the case these little girls would have been enrolled in the babysitting service and could pee as much as she wanted to avoid the uncomfortable situation where you are required to work at your studies.
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Privilege as in if you can save so many tokens you can go to the bathroom. What if the child hasn't saved enough and needs to go? Your example of a child going to the bathroom 25 times has zip to do with this token system the teacher came up with for his/her students.
 
Arbo said:
To be a partisan, doesn't one have to choose a 'side'?
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Lol, and yours would be what? None? You have no sides? You're just a Democrat hating, Republican hating - Independent? C'man Arbo. At least be honest with yourself.
 
Hatuey said:
Lol, and yours would be what? None? You have no sides?
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Considering that both of the 'big two' are pretty much identical in terms of how little the follow the Consitutiton and care about the people and how much their care about themselves and those that contribute big money to them, yes, I do not have a side. I think for myself, each issue is independent of other issues. You should try it some time, that is, if you were capable of such a thing. :lamo

But let's be realistic, I threw in some sarcasm, you were not smart enough to get it, and you called it 'being partisan' when there was nothing partisan in it. You just wanted to go on the attack and failed miserably. But you are used to that eh?
 
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