• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Aliens Are Almost Definitely Out There, SETI Astronomers Tell Congress

Pay more attention to science more such proof is being published every day.

For example in only the last 2 decades we have found life all over this planet in every environment imaginable. It exists in every place we can look where we once thought it could never survive. The deepest holes, the oldest ice, the highest altitudes and the deepest water. None of this proves life exists elsewhere but the extreme environments in which we are finding life increases the odds of it existing elsewhere. The enormous variety and diversity of life also increases the odds.

The more we learn about the environments on other worlds the more we realize that they are often more benign and habitable than the places we find life here on earth.

Nothing you said proves there is life in the solar system beyond our planet nor does it prove that there is any likelihood that such life exists. I pay more attention to science than you can know.
 
Nothing you said proves there is life in the solar system beyond our planet nor does it prove that there is any likelihood that such life exists. I pay more attention to science than you can know.

I never said it proves life exists. In fact no one did

You are quite wrong however concerning the likelyhood which it does prove a greater chance of. The probability of life existing elsewhere is dependant upon factors such as what sort of environment it it POSSIBLE for life to exist in and the more we learn the more we know that those sorts of enviornments are very broad and flexible. By definition that increases the odds.

Obviously you pay little attention
 
Think if they told congress yea there is no life out there congress would give them more funding?

They have found ZERO evidence there is life off this planet, mars has produced nothing.

Man they are working so hard to find life out there just so they can prove there is no God, but the darn evidence just seems to elude them.

So you have an expectation that the government would tell us the truth about extraterrestrials?

FYI, in case you don't know, NASA works hand-in-hand with the DOD. It's been that way since the very beginning: http://history.nasa.gov/spaceact.html

Take note of this:
The Administration shall be considered a defense agency of the United States for the purpose of chapter 17 of title 35 of the United States Code.
 
That's nice. Stop trying to contact them, idiots. We need to alert aliens of our presence about as much as native Americans needed to alert Europeans of the presence of North America.

****, is Hawking the only person who gets it?

That's just pessimism, depression really. As we currently are seeking to end bigotry and cruelty, what makes you think those thousands of years ahead of us are still bigoted assholes?

Look, an advanced civilization hundreds or millions of light years away is not going to need to rape and pillage the earth for its purposes. That's just stupid. It ignores all human progress, logic and reason.

Contact with advanced aliens would help us more than computers did. Spare us the Chicken Little BS based on irrational hysteria.
 
I never said it proves life exists. In fact no one did

You are quite wrong however concerning the likelyhood which it does prove a greater chance of. The probability of life existing elsewhere is dependant upon factors such as what sort of environment it it POSSIBLE for life to exist in and the more we learn the more we know that those sorts of enviornments are very broad and flexible. By definition that increases the odds.

Obviously you pay little attention

Obviously.
 
Read more @: Aliens Are Almost Definitely Out There, SETI Astronomers Tell Congress

I think this is all really common sense. Our conception of the universe is only minute to what really exists out there. I think its only a matter of time until we find life out there. We have found a lot of evidence of life, but to my knowledge we havent found "actual life". I do believe that there are other intelligent beings out there. But hey, I think we still should continue funding to these programs. [/FONT][/COLOR]

We won't find life out there and not because it doesn't exist but because warp drives are science fiction.
 
'Almost Definitely'?

Is that like 'maybe for certain'?
 
That's just pessimism, depression really. As we currently are seeking to end bigotry and cruelty, what makes you think those thousands of years ahead of us are still bigoted assholes?

Look, an advanced civilization hundreds or millions of light years away is not going to need to rape and pillage the earth for its purposes. That's just stupid. It ignores all human progress, logic and reason.

Contact with advanced aliens would help us more than computers did. Spare us the Chicken Little BS based on irrational hysteria.

in the realm in which we exist, everything eats each other. being at the top of the food chain, we are in the minority of organisms in which being eaten by something today isn't a real danger. if a super advanced species pilots a disco lit saucer across the universe, i truly doubt that their motivation will be to hang around the campfire and share technology and societal tips. they would be coming because there's something here that they need. plus, we'd probably do something stupid and attack them anyway, because we are violent primates.

i truly doubt that we've ever been visited, and i doubt that we will be any time soon. however, the chance that a visit will be beneficial to us is lower than the chance that it could be bad or catastrophic, so i think we should stop advertising to them.
 
Think if they told congress yea there is no life out there congress would give them more funding?

They have found ZERO evidence there is life off this planet, mars has produced nothing.

Man they are working so hard to find life out there just so they can prove there is no God, but the darn evidence just seems to elude them.

In our own oceans we have found life that exists in extreme environments .. those which lack light, oxygen and even in temperatures that would kill most normal life forms on earth. The sheer mathematical probability of life on other planets is so high that its a near certainty. We are limited by our mortality to our own little spec of space. If christians can say "Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist", then scientists can say it too.

And who says they are trying to prove there is no god. Are christians that egotistical that they think everything is about them?
 
in the realm in which we exist, everything eats each other. being at the top of the food chain, we are in the minority of organisms in which being eaten by something today isn't a real danger. if a super advanced species pilots a disco lit saucer across the universe, i truly doubt that their motivation will be to hang around the campfire and share technology and societal tips. they would be coming because there's something here that they need. plus, we'd probably do something stupid and attack them anyway, because we are violent primates.

i truly doubt that we've ever been visited, and i doubt that we will be any time soon. however, the chance that a visit will be beneficial to us is lower than the chance that it could be bad or catastrophic, so i think we should stop advertising to them.


Isn't it possible that they are out for knowledge of other species. Explorers just like ourselves?
 
Read more @: Aliens Are Almost Definitely Out There, SETI Astronomers Tell Congress

I think this is all really common sense. Our conception of the universe is only minute to what really exists out there. I think its only a matter of time until we find life out there. We have found a lot of evidence of life, but to my knowledge we havent found "actual life". I do believe that there are other intelligent beings out there. But hey, I think we still should continue funding to these programs. [/FONT][/COLOR]



and it does not ensure a job for life for us to believe these two highly paid SETI researchers in their rather stress - fee job, nope.

As if researchers looking for something with less hard evidence than Bigfoot would say something else, like, "we're pretty sure we'll spend our lives searching for nothing, but, hey, the perks are awesome!"

Really
 
Isn't it possible that they are out for knowledge of other species. Explorers just like ourselves?

sure, it's possible. i just don't find that to be a more likely outcome than something nefarious. and look at what happened to less technically advanced cultures when we explored.

just seems like a high probability of not good.
 
sure, it's possible. i just don't find that to be a more likely outcome than something nefarious. and look at what happened to less technically advanced cultures when we explored.

just seems like a high probability of not good.

I understand your thought. Humans are a vicious species, capable of horrible things. I think that a species that has developed the technology to traverse the vast universe might also have evolved above such horrible habits. Then again it could go the other way, perhaps their ability to travel space came from advancements in militaristic technology. After all, most of what we have today is because of our desire to kill each other.
 
View attachment 67166906

Each of these galaxies looked this way millions/billion of years ago and contained billions of stars. Many no longer exist and many new ones would be there today. If there was an advanced civilization in that photo....it is probably long gone and did not even know we existed.

Yeah....the distances to other stars/galaxies are so vast....mind-boggling actually.
I don't think we're alone in this universe, but given the insurmountable distances, we might as well be.

If there is one there is one there now it might see an "I Love Lucy" rerun in a couple billion years, but we will be long gone.

True enough.
We'll be gone, but "I Love Lucy" will continue on, in syndication, for all eternity.

It would be an astounding bit of luck for us to exist in the right place and time to meet the neighbors.

After seeing Fred and Ethel in reruns, we might not be of much interest to alien beings.
It could be worse though.
What if aliens see re-runs of "Gilligan's Island"?
Rather than wanting to meet the neighbors, they'll avoid us like the plague.
 
The notion is that there is life out there...not that it is possible.
I do not refute the possibility of extraterrestrial life. I refute the certainty.

I'm certain about the couple in the next apartment. Nobody born on earth looks that that.
 
Read more @: Aliens Are Almost Definitely Out There, SETI Astronomers Tell Congress

I think this is all really common sense. Our conception of the universe is only minute to what really exists out there. I think its only a matter of time until we find life out there. We have found a lot of evidence of life, but to my knowledge we havent found "actual life". I do believe that there are other intelligent beings out there. But hey, I think we still should continue funding to these programs. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Ancient%2BAliens.jpg


Think if they told congress yea there is no life out there congress would give them more funding?

They have found ZERO evidence there is life off this planet, mars has produced nothing.

Man they are working so hard to find life out there just so they can prove there is no God, but the darn evidence just seems to elude them.

Whaaaaaaaaaat.
 
We won't find life out there and not because it doesn't exist but because warp drives are science fiction.

We don't need warp drive to travel within the solar system and it is highly feasible life could be on Mars Jupiter or Europa.
 
in the realm in which we exist, everything eats each other. being at the top of the food chain, we are in the minority of organisms in which being eaten by something today isn't a real danger. if a super advanced species pilots a disco lit saucer across the universe, i truly doubt that their motivation will be to hang around the campfire and share technology and societal tips. they would be coming because there's something here that they need. plus, we'd probably do something stupid and attack them anyway, because we are violent primates.

i truly doubt that we've ever been visited, and i doubt that we will be any time soon. however, the chance that a visit will be beneficial to us is lower than the chance that it could be bad or catastrophic, so i think we should stop advertising to them.

It would be astonishing if a civilization that had reached the level of technological sophistication required to travel between the stars required anything we have on Earth. All of the potential raw materials they might desire are present in staggering quantities in the cosmos. I doubt if they came to Earth it would be for something as primitive as pillage.
 
It would be astonishing if a civilization that had reached the level of technological sophistication required to travel between the stars required anything we have on Earth. All of the potential raw materials they might desire are present in staggering quantities in the cosmos. I doubt if they came to Earth it would be for something as primitive as pillage.

this is a valid point. however, i look at it from the frame of reference of Europeans discovering the new world. they had plenty of resources there, and the technology to find and colonize other parts of the globe. granted, it's not entirely analogous. however, on our planet, when a new species is introduced into an ecosystem, there are often consequences for the species living there currently.
 
Isn't it possible that they are out for knowledge of other species. Explorers just like ourselves?

Which raises the issue of how they gain that knowledge. Is it strictly observational or is it "hands-on?"
 
It would be astonishing if a civilization that had reached the level of technological sophistication required to travel between the stars required anything we have on Earth. All of the potential raw materials they might desire are present in staggering quantities in the cosmos. I doubt if they came to Earth it would be for something as primitive as pillage.

While I believe that there are aliens, I don't profess to know what they're like or what their motivations are for visiting this planet. As I previously said elsewhere on this board: they could be our friends or our enemies. They could be similar to us emotionally or like this:

00443427-717162_360.jpg


Dictated by nothing more than ruthlessly cold logic.
 
We won't find life out there and not because it doesn't exist but because warp drives are science fiction.

We've announced our presence since early in the last century. Presumably, 'life out there' can broadcast their football games, too.
 
Anyone without emotional dependency on their religion can tell that bible is false. The search for alien life has nothing to do with this. It's a search for the truths of universe. Religion has nothing to do with that.

Actually, thanks to the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics the existence of a creator cannot be disproven.

The first law states that Energy can be niether created or destroyed.

The second law of thermodynamics states in any closed system a process proceeds in a direction that the unavailable entropy increases.

From order to disorder while energy changes or the Universe cools or experiences what's called "Heat death".

So if the Universe is a closed system there was a beginning, The Big Bang and there will be an end.

Our Universe with everything it including energy started from literally nothing, which violates the First law of thermodynamics.

Energy cannot be created, but out of nothing an event started that led to the creation of a exponential amount of energy.

And a beginning WITH creation points to a creator more than it does a random event.

Atheist really try to justify their beliefs with a poor understanding of scientific principles.

When it comes down to it they rely on Faith to make the claim that there is no God while they critique those who have Faith in a Creator.
 
I have mixed feelings about SETI.

Its clear they want funding, but I don't see how their work could lead to anything practical.

Whats the pay off for detecting a intelligence many many Light years away ?

Communication ?

Ok, if we DID detect a signal created by a intelligent life force and then somehow decoded it so we could then communicate whats the pount if that signal originated 4 million Light years away ?
 
Back
Top Bottom