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Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports[W:72]

This is the latest from our CiC....

USA Today said:
WASHINGTON--President Obama on Wednesday called allegations that government officials falsified data to hide how long veterans were waiting to see doctors "intolerable" and "disgraceful" and vowed to hold those responsible accountable if the charges prove true.

"I will not tolerate it, period," Obama said.

Obama added he won't stand for people covering up long wait times or cooking the books. Obama has ordered a broad review, but is also asking for patience while investigators get to the bottom of what happened. Obama says he won't tolerate misconduct at VA
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He won't stand for cooking the books. Well that's a turn around. For someone who's just learned about this from the nightly news, he's ordered an investigation for something that's been going on for years. Why is it that I wouldn't trust him if he said the sky was blue....

Barack Obama - Dem. debate at Saint Anselm College said:
We don’t have a full-service VA system, so a lot of troops that have been injured are having to travel elsewhere, and that’s something that we have to address. There are important efficiencies that we can obtain by having a VA hospital system; for example, prescription drugs. But we have to have a VA that serves everybody. In some rural communities that the veterans don’t have access to the services needed, we’ve got to make sure that they do have the option for a private hospital that is close by.

...

I visited Walter Reed repeatedly. Typically what would happen is we would go to visit troops in the medical facility, and people will acknowledge that the medical facility at Walter Reed does great work. Unfortunately, it turned out that the outpatient facilities were disastrous. That’s why we now have legislation to make sure not only that we’re just painting over some of the mold in there, but also making it easier for families & veterans to negotiate the system once they’re outpatients.
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Barack Obama - 2007 IAFF Presidential Forum in Washington DC said:
Washington says that they support the troops. They give long speeches about valor and sacrifice. But when it comes time to sending our troops into battle with the proper equipment and ensure that veterans have what they need when they get home, they don’t do anything except slap a yellow ribbon on the back of their SUV. That’s how come our men and women have to use scrap metal to protect their Humvees.

Our veterans end up living among mice and mold. They stare at stacks of paperwork. They thought they left the frontline in Iraq but they came home to a new frontline of red tape and bureaucracy.

This is unacceptable. When our veterans come home, I don’t want them crawling around a dumpster for a meal or a box for shelter. I don’t want them drowning in whiskey to silence the PTSD. I don’t want that for our veterans. We know they deserve more.

So let’s make a promise today--and say that, right here and right now, is when we begin to put together a comprehensive plan for our veterans.
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Huh... sounds like he knew there were problems before he was elected.
 
Grim17 said:
Again, the White House claims the president learned of the VA scandal through news reports... Is this president an out-of-touch idiot, or a calculated habitual liar?

JIM ACOSTA, CNN: When was the president first made aware of these problems? Of these fraudulent lists that were being kept to hide the wait times, when was he first made aware of those problems? And when did other White House officials, top White House officials, become aware of these problems?

JAY CARNEY: When you say these problems, the fact that there have been bureaucracies --

ACOSTA: The delays have been known for some time.

CARNEY: You mean the specific allegations that I think were reported first by your news network out of Phoenix, I believe. We learned about them through the reports. I will double check if that is not the case.

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You can see the exchange here:

Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports | Video | RealClearPolitics
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translation............

the people working in what ever department in this administration are scared to death of those white house handlers/advisers, of what will happen to them if they dare report something is not right, is wrong.

this is about the president and sadly it is still going on 5 years later.

the number of problems that have happened and still the president knows nothing about them until after the fact.
 
Arbo said:
What a massive fail. Thanks for showing us your lack of creativity and original thought.
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Adding an ad hominem attack on top of your hypocritical whining about drive by attacks as you do just and only that will, or at least should, get you some attention. But not from me. :2razz:
 
Ockham said:
This is the latest from our CiC....



He won't stand for cooking the books. Well that's a turn around. For someone who's just learned about this from the nightly news, he's ordered an investigation for something that's been going on for years. Why is it that I wouldn't trust him if he said the sky was blue....





Huh... sounds like he knew there were problems before he was elected.
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Waitaminute.....did he say he would hold people accountable.....again? Wants another comprehensive plan? Nooooooooooooooooooo not again!!!!! :shock:
 
Ockham said:
Carney's taken the lying puppet routine to new levels. Kudo's to him.
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I began reading him when he wrote for Time. I don't know how he can live with himself. I mean that as someone who used to have respect for him.
 
I don't think Carney is saying that they didn't know about the problems, I think he is saying that the WH learned that the public learned about it.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
I don't think Carney is saying that they didn't know about the problems, I think he is saying that the WH learned that the public learned about it.
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Given that the White House employs Mr. Carney as press secretary? We can only hope that the WH has learned that the public has learned about it. Of course in the past, this press secretary and his department are supposed to have failed in their basic function on every topic from guns to Mexico to the IRS and Benghazi.

I can't help but pinch a line from this Op/Ed this morning. All President Obama knows is what he sees on television. He tells us this and his handlers tell us this and I'm starting to believe it.:shock:
EDITORIAL: For Obama, the buck stops elsewhere - Washington Times
 
Maybe the next time we elect a President, we'll more carefully consider candidates' credentials and experience.
 
Grim17 said:
Again, the White House claims the president learned of the VA scandal through news reports... Is this president an out-of-touch idiot, or a calculated habitual liar?


JIM ACOSTA, CNN: When was the president first made aware of these problems? Of these fraudulent lists that were being kept to hide the wait times, when was he first made aware of those problems? And when did other White House officials, top White House officials, become aware of these problems?

JAY CARNEY: When you say these problems, the fact that there have been bureaucracies --

ACOSTA: The delays have been known for some time.

CARNEY: You mean the specific allegations that I think were reported first by your news network out of Phoenix, I believe. We learned about them through the reports. I will double check if that is not the case.

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You can see the exchange here:

Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports | Video | RealClearPolitics
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His employees constantly scheme behind his back. Oh, that would be a conspiracy :roll: nevermind......nah, he's an out-of-touch idiot and liar.
 
"At the VA, they've had a culture of saying the right things at the top and then not enforcing change down through the organization,'' he said Monday....."

Former SSA Commissioner Astrue: VA Problems a 'Pentagon Management' Issue


That was the culture at the VA when Bush was president. Apparently, it hasn't changed much.


Why don't they just let the Vets go on Medicaid?


As a side, the VA was a blessing for my dad.
 
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Moot said:
"At the VA, they've had a culture of saying the right things at the top and then not enforcing change down through the organization,'' he said Monday....."

Former SSA Commissioner Astrue: VA Problems a 'Pentagon Management' Issue


That was the culture at the VA when Bush was president. Apparently, it hasn't changed much.


Why don't they just let the Vets go on Medicaid?


As a side, the VA was a blessing for my dad.
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:july_4th:YAY. Right on cue one of the usual suspects has arrived to drag Bush into the topic. Hatuey was up to much the same on page 2 of a thread this morning, at least this one made it to page 4!:july_4th:
 
Filthy McNasty said:
:july_4thYAY. Right on cue one of the usual suspects has arrived to drag Bush into the topic. Hatuey was up to much the same on page 2 of a thread this morning, at least this one made it to page 4!:july_4th
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It looks you need to cut down on the caffeine, FM.
 
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nota bene said:
Maybe the next time we elect a President, we'll more carefully consider candidates' credentials and experience.
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Nobody has experience being the President of the US until after they become one.
 
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nota bene said:
Maybe the next time we elect a President, we'll more carefully consider candidates' credentials and experience.
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Dare to dream. Too many people in this country voted for Obama because they saw him as a rock star and were tossing their panties at him like housewives at a Tom Jones concert.
 
Moot said:
"At the VA, they've had a culture of saying the right things at the top and then not enforcing change down through the organization,'' he said Monday....."

Former SSA Commissioner Astrue: VA Problems a 'Pentagon Management' Issue


That was the culture at the VA when Bush was president. Apparently, it hasn't changed much.


Why don't they just let the Vets go on Medicaid?


As a side, the VA was a blessing for my dad.
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Heya Moot.
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It appears to have kept getting worse under BO?


Veteran Affairs Dept Budget

2014: $154B
2006: $73B

Wait Time in Days for Care

2014: 360
2012: 255
2010: 115
2008: 110

US VA Affairs data.....snip~


Now.....it has been shown that from 2007. That BO knew some of it back then. But it still doesn't explain why things kept getting worse every year Obama has been in Office. That's just on the wait times alone.
 
Filthy McNasty said:
Adding an ad hominem attack on top of your hypocritical whining about drive by attacks as you do just and only that will, or at least should, get you some attention. But not from me. :2razz:
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Yes, you do indeed continue to avoid talking about the article. I'd think eventually you'd learn, but that might not be possible. So tell us, is there a history of the current president (or his people) saying the first time they heard of xxxxxxx was in the media, or has that never happened?
 
Grim17 said:
Again, the White House claims the president learned of the VA scandal through news reports... Is this president an out-of-touch idiot, or a calculated habitual liar?


JIM ACOSTA, CNN: When was the president first made aware of these problems? Of these fraudulent lists that were being kept to hide the wait times, when was he first made aware of those problems? And when did other White House officials, top White House officials, become aware of these problems?

JAY CARNEY: When you say these problems, the fact that there have been bureaucracies --

ACOSTA: The delays have been known for some time.

CARNEY: You mean the specific allegations that I think were reported first by your news network out of Phoenix, I believe. We learned about them through the reports. I will double check if that is not the case.

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You can see the exchange here:

Carney: White House Learned About VA Scandal From News Reports | Video | RealClearPolitics
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Both! Look he is the most incompetent president ever! hell he makes jimmy carter look like a good president.
 
Arbo said:
Yes, you do indeed continue to avoid talking about the article. I'd think eventually you'd learn, but that might not be possible. So tell us, is there a history of the current president (or his people) saying the first time they heard of xxxxxxx was in the media, or has that never happened?
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So tell me, what is your take on the article? So far all you have done is level ad homs at me. Do you even have an opinion about Carney's excuse making for the POTUS? Any "original ideas" of your own about this frequent excuse from both Carney, Obama and the administration? That they did not know about most breaking scandals until they read about them or heard about them on TV? I mean even Jon Stewart has made great comedy of the constant excuse. You don't even know if there has been a "history" of it? Come now, let your hands off the steering wheel, slow down and instead of just spewing, spew something intelligent and about the topic for the first time in the thread.:spank:



http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/19/Once-Again-Obama-Claims-He-Just-Learned-About-a-Scandal-From-TV
 
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MMC said:
Heya Moot.
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It appears to have kept getting worse under BO?


Veteran Affairs Dept Budget

2014: $154B
2006: $73B

Wait Time in Days for Care

2014: 360
2012: 255
2010: 115
2008: 110

US VA Affairs data.....snip~


Now.....it has been shown that from 2007. That BO knew some of it back then. But it still doesn't explain why things kept getting worse every year Obama has been in Office. That's just on the wait times alone.
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Lets not forget that the Dems cited the VA as evidence that govt controlled medical care was a good thing.
An effing year for an appointment? Its insane, and Ive read that the average cost per veteran per year is 38K.
All on Obama's watch.
 
Filthy McNasty said:
So tell me, what is your take on the article? So far all you have done is level ad homs at me. Do you even have an opinion about Carney's excuse making for the POTUS? Any "original ideas" of your own about this frequent excuse from both Carney, Obama and the administration? That they did not know about most breaking scandals until they read about them or heard about them on TV? I mean even Jon Stewart has made great comedy of the constant excuse. You don't even know if there has been a "history" of it? Come now, let your hands off the steering wheel, slow down and instead of just spewing, spew something intelligent and about the topic for the first time in the thread.:spank:

Obama Again Claims He 'Just Learned' about a Scandal from TV
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Carney is the new baghdad bob.
 
US Conservative said:
Lets not forget that the Dems cited the VA as evidence that govt controlled medical care was a good thing.
An effing year for an appointment? Its insane, and Ive read that the average cost per veteran per year is 38K.
All on Obama's watch.
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The VA health care system is a single payer system and evidence has now surfaced that it also has a "Death Panel."

Every week something surfaces showing that Sarah Palin had the talk and the walk.
 
US Conservative said:
Lets not forget that the Dems cited the VA as evidence that govt controlled medical care was a good thing.
An effing year for an appointment? Its insane, and Ive read that the average cost per veteran per year is 38K.
All on Obama's watch.
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Heya USC. :2wave: Yeah.....I have had to go thru other means and use BCBS to deal with some issues. As I couldn't wait around. Although.....here in Chicago, they tried to downplay this list with Heinz Hospital.
 
MMC said:
Heya Moot.
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It appears to have kept getting worse under BO?


Veteran Affairs Dept Budget

2014: $154B
2006: $73B

Wait Time in Days for Care

2014: 360
2012: 255
2010: 115
2008: 110

US VA Affairs data.....snip~


Now.....it has been shown that from 2007. That BO knew some of it back then. But it still doesn't explain why things kept getting worse every year Obama has been in Office. That's just on the wait times alone.
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I will go out on a limb here and guess that aging boomer (Vietnam?) veterans coupled with those from the never ending war on terror are significant factors. What seems to be happening is that veterans care facility capability is not growing as fast as number of eligible veterans seeking care is. The lying about VA care delays is likely tied to "performance bonus" money given to those facilities that look best on paper or to make it appear that more money in the VA budget translates to better care.
 
Filthy McNasty said:
So tell me,
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I have already told you what you did when you came into the thread. We need not repeat it. And answering a question with a question is just diversion on your part. Have a nice day, I see there is no point recognizing you exist.
 
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