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Fast-food workers kick off global labor action

No I live in reality. You don't.

The reality is that I'm still paying student loans for my second master of science degree, and I'm pretty sure I'm quite a bit older than you. I paid off my first master of science degree from student loans in about ten years. The second one I don't even look at when its paid for, I just make the monthly payments.

Why? Because its worth it.

How's that for reality?

You?
 
Maybe you should check your own source.
Cost's at Walden:
Final cost for 4 years: $56,770
Final cost for 2 years: $29,180

University of Phoenix:
$22,100 for an AD
Cost of Bachelors Degree at University of Phoenix is $56,900. $34,800 for years 3 and 4 plus $22,100 for years 1 and 2, or $56,900

Kaplan University:
$371 per credit hour
Associates Degree = 90 credits = $33,390
$800 Technology Fee

Bachelors Degree = 180 credits = $66,780
$1,600 Technology Fee

The trend follows for each subsequent college listed. Like I said college is more than what you had to pay.

And again, I just did what you were too lazy to, googled it. Take a real look and you'll find a range from the highs I posted down to 10K. And again, there are community colleges (inexpensive) where you can take your AA.

Btw, college completion has dropped at near the same level as costs and attendance have risen.
 
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Its called student loans. Those who live in reality pay it and have college degrees and advanced degrees.

You're out of your depth in this discussion because you refuse to do research.
Student loans are increasingly causing student debt that can not be payed off. All because no only is the college degree that is earned not assuring anybody will actually get a high paying career but when they don't get the career that they spent so much money in education for upon returning to minimum wage the income is not enough to placate the debt.

$1 Trillion Student Loan Problem Keeps Getting Worse - Forbes
Its better than living on minimum wage.

Again reality is different from your world of fantasy.
 
Heh, I too watch those channels solely for comedy relief. And one of my Grandma's sayings was, "freedom also means you're free to starve unless you get off your butt and go to work".
You know what? Even though I deeply disagree with your worldview, I can see that you are a principled man and I respect a man of principle. There are a lot of people even in my country and I'm pretty sure especially in America who are quick to blame other people for their own situation like the immigrants.

Believe it or not there was a guy who told me just yesterday that the reason why he is unemployed for 6 years is because of polish people and the muslims taking all the jobs. I was shocked, but that's the kind of entitled people that exist in this world. Happy to sit on their backside on welfare because in their minds it's ok since it's other people's fault.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063283235 said:
The reality is that I'm still paying student loans for my second master of science degree, and I'm pretty sure I'm quite a bit older than you. I paid off my first master of science degree from student loans in about ten years. The second one I don't even look at when its paid for, I just make the monthly
payments.
Why? Because its worth it.

How's that for reality?

You?

it's not reality . First of that is an anecdote. And your experience does not reflect the reality of what the majority of students are experiencing financially. Check the sources I have already provided.
 
You know what? Even though I deeply disagree with your worldview, I can see that you are a principled man and I respect a man of principle. There are a lot of people even in my country and I'm pretty sure especially in America who are quick to blame other people for their own situation like the immigrants.

Believe it or not there was a guy who told me just yesterday that the reason why he is unemployed for 6 years is because of polish people and the muslims taking all the jobs. I was shocked, but that's the kind of entitled people that exist in this world. Happy to sit on their backside on welfare because in their minds it's ok since it's other people's fault.

Thank you.
 
And again, I just did what you were too lazy to, googled it. Take a real look and you'll find a range from the highs I posted down to 10K. And again, there are community colleges (inexpensive) where you can take your AA.
You didn't post 10k. You posted a proposal that is being discussed. I'm talking about reality not a what if.

Community colleges offer an aa tops, which in turn is sill expensive for low income individuals and the pay off hardly allows them to recover from accumulated debt.
Btw, college completion has dropped at near the same level as costs and attendance have risen.

College completion is dropping because people can not afford to complete it. Thank you for making my point.
 
it's not reality . First of that is an anecdote. And your experience does not reflect the reality of what the majority of students are experiencing financially. Check the sources I have already provided.

Your denial is amusing. Live on minimum wage. Enjoy...
 
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Your denial is amusing. Live on minimum wage. Enjoy...

You mean your denial in the face of evidence. It is quite amusing.
 
You mean your denial in the face of evidence. It is quite amusing.

Facts are I have two master of science degrees courtesy of student loans, and a good paying job.

You?

I'm guessing, based on your posts, that you aren't willing to make the commitments I did to get where I am today.

How's that minimum wage working for you?
 
You didn't post 10k. You posted a proposal that is being discussed. I'm talking about reality not a what if.

And right after I posted mine, someone else did. Not a what if. Stop thinking that calling your excuses reality excuses you.

Community colleges offer an aa tops, which in turn is sill expensive for low income individuals and the pay off hardly allows them to recover from accumulated debt.

I've got a few no longer minimum wage earning nephews with community college AAs that would call bull**** on that.

College completion is dropping because people can not afford to complete it. Thank you for making my point.

Sorry Charley, that excuse won't play. It's been dropping steadily since the college system opened up in the mid-60s.
 
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Facts are I have two master of science degrees courtesy of student loans, and a good paying job.
Cool good for you. To bad your experience is not the same for every one else.
Working on my ge and then I will try to get into my local university. I'm navigating through finance options. There very few.


I'm guessing, based on your posts, that you aren't willing to make the commitments I did to get where I am today.
Interesting. You're wrong. But interesting all the same.

How's that minimum wage working for you?
It's a struggle. I'm often tired. Thanks for asking.
 
i think online degrees/courses are a sham. they are too easily manipulated to pass a course.

You are mistaken. If the online course is from an accredited college or university, it's an accredited degree. You don't know what you're talking about.
 
And right after I posted mine, someone else did. Not a what if. Stop thinking that calling your excuses reality excuses you.

There not excuses there just the facts. Oh and btw the country doesn't comprise of just the state of texas. Their progressive pricing does not affect the nation as a whole unfortunately since pricing remains high everywhere else, including with your online degrees.


I've got a few no longer minimum wage earning nephews with community college AAs that would call bull**** on that.
Thanks for the anecdote. I have statistics that would make them eat their words. Again there is difference from your experience and the experience of the majority.

College education becoming too expensive for middle class

However, a much more common reason is that the cost of tuition becomes an unsustainable burden, with “more than 50 percent of students who fail to graduate the high cost of tuition and fees.”



Sorry Charley, that excuse won't play. It's been dropping steadily since the college system opened up in the mid-60s.
Source.
 
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Cool good for you. To bad your experience is not the same for every one else.

Working on my ge and then I will try to get into my local university. I'm navigating through finance options. There very few.



Interesting. You're wrong. But interesting all the same.


It's a struggle. I'm often tired. Thanks for asking.

Just to let you know, I worked full time during both graduate programs. It wasn't easy. I have experiences you don't. The bottom line is, if you want it to happen, you can make it happen.

Good luck to you. Work your ass off and make it happen.
 
it's not reality . First of that is an anecdote. And your experience does not reflect the reality of what the majority of students are experiencing financially. Check the sources I have already provided.

The reality is that liberals rather whine than work to succeed. Coming from a single mother with only a HS diploma, my younger brother and I each went to 6 years of college and had our student loans paid off in less than 2 years. Sacrifices included splitting an apartment with a coworker until I met my wife.
 
A) I wonder how many of these people are actually fast food workers instead of the usual hired protesters.

Turned out it was put on by SEIU. How astonishing.
 
Read more @: Fast-food workers kick off global labor action | Al Jazeera America

One of the biggest protests globally in solidarity with eachother all revolving around raising the minimum wage. I support these protests, and believe not only should the minimum wage but one of the most profitable industires should be paying their employees much much better. Im behind the $15 demand.

The link is revealing in the lack of details.

It started with 200 people in NYC and spread to about 1000 across the US. Which means it is irrelevant.

Most fast food workers seem ok with what they make I have seen none on strike anywhere in the city I live in.

So much for workers of the world unite. Socialism falls flat again.
 
The reality is that liberals rather whine than work to succeed. Coming from a single mother with only a HS diploma, my younger brother and I each went to 6 years of college and had our student loans paid off in less than 2 years. Sacrifices included splitting an apartment with a coworker until I met my wife.

Your personal story doesn't refute the reality of what the majority is going through. And the majority of those struggling to get through college because the financial burden and rising cost of living is a reality. The income required is beginning to supersede what a middle class, let alone a lower class, citizen can afford no matter the amount of work put in. You choice to ignore these variables is willful ignorance.
 
mine did not!
There was a raise in 88, 92, and 2002 i believe.


i made the point about college which you didn't address.
What about colleges? Yes they expect better wages. But so do workers that make minimum wage. Inflation and the increase in productivity also should raise the wage..

these people want something for nothing.
The minimum wage was intended to keep up with inflation.... Is that "nothing"?
 
Abolish minimum wage. If these folks were worth more then they'd get the heck out of fast food and go find a job with a better salary.
Excellent post. I agree completely. In my BPO firm we employ a lot of foreign nationals, their pay is much much lower than American minimum wage and they never complain, in fact they are downright happy they got a job.
 
The link is revealing in the lack of details.

It started with 200 people in NYC and spread to about 1000 across the US. Which means it is irrelevant.
No that was the initial protest which started the movement which was 2 years ago. Since then it has been spreading.

MAP: How Fast Food Worker Strikes Ignited Across The Country

Also thousands means more than 1,999...
Biggest fast food strike ever attracts global support | MSNBC
Also makes it the biggest strike amongst the service industry ever and globally..
Photos: Fast Food Workers Launch Largest Strike Yet - TIME

Most fast food workers seem ok with what they make I have seen none on strike anywhere in the city I live in.
When an industry goes on strike most stay at their jobs that does not mean "they seem ok"... Ask any service industry worker if they are ok with their wages I gurantee most will say no. As long as its not to a boss of course...


So much for workers of the world unite. Socialism falls flat again.
Somehow a strike equates socialism... :roll:
 
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What kind of essential skills do you think minimum wage workers possess?

Enough to keep up with productivity and inflation.
 
No that was the initial protest which started the movement which was 2 years ago. Since then it has been spreading.

MAP: How Fast Food Worker Strikes Ignited Across The Country

Also thousands means more than 1,999...
Biggest fast food strike ever attracts global support | MSNBC
Also makes it the biggest strike amongst the service industry ever and globally..
Photos: Fast Food Workers Launch Largest Strike Yet - TIME


When an industry goes on strike most stay at their jobs that does not mean "they seem ok"... Ask any service industry worker if they are ok with their wages I gurantee most will say no. As long as its not to a boss of course...



Somehow a strike equates socialism... :roll:

The number in the US is about 1000 according to the link in the OP the rest are in other nations and this is a triviality.

When an industry goes on strike most workers ( if not all ) do in fact go on strike forcing the business to shut down otherwise it is meaningless.

This one is meaningless and it was you equating it with some sort of advancement of socialism which is like being happy at the spread of naziism.
 
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