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Fast-food workers kick off global labor action

mtm1963 said:
these people are not realistic. if they expect their hourly wage to be increased, so shouldn't everyone else get the same kind of increase?

look at the millions of people who pay for a college education and go into debt in the 10's of thousands of dollars and these people want a wage that is equivalent to a college educated person first starting out in a new job!
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Thats what they are calling for an increase in the minimum wage.
 
clownboy said:
Nice try, but you don't know enough to get your targeting right. I'm a Vietnam vet and have volunteered at the veteran's hospitals wherever I live since. Also volunteered locally to put together care packages for the GIs in the field.
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Wait, what does that have to do with anything?

I repeat, according to your own rules of life, anybody who supports a military incursion into Afghanistan must go there and do the job. Same with those who support war anywhere else. This is the rule you set up, not me. Support a policy => shut up and do it.
 
Zinthaniel said:
There is no fast food restaurant, aside form a rare few, that accepts tips. Period. That alone destroys your silly argument. I have worked fast food. An employee is directly instructed to not accept them.
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Again, you've worked in the industry, you should know how to tip those workers without triggering management. I've done it, I know for a fact it's possible. Your support only seems to last until you reach your first obstacle. I'm guessing the FF workers are thrilled by your support.
 
law said:
Wait, what does that have to do with anything? I repeat, according to your own rules of life, anybody who supports a military incursion into Afghanistan must go there and do the job. Same with those who support war anywhere else. This is the rule you set up, not me. Support a policy => shut up and do it.
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Go back and read, said nothing of the sort. It's YOU who have manufactured some bizzarro strawman from what I posted.
 
Abolish minimum wage. If these folks were worth more then they'd get the heck out of fast food and go find a job with a better salary.
 
clownboy said:
Again, you've worked in the industry, you should know how to tip those workers without triggering management. I've done it, I know for a fact it's possible. Your support only seems to last until you reach your first obstacle. I'm guessing the FF workers are thrilled by your support.
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You obviously have no argument that's why you have resorted to this transparent ploy. You tried though, run along now, leave this discussion to those who actually understand it's nuances.
 
Zinthaniel said:
You obviously have no argument that's why you have resorted to this transparent ploy. You tried though, run along now, leave this discussion to those who actually understand it's nuances.
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So, in other words, you support them only until the dollars come from YOUR pocket. If your money is required, those workers are on their own. I understand your nuances perfectly.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: Fast-food workers kick off global labor action | Al Jazeera America

One of the biggest protests globally in solidarity with eachother all revolving around raising the minimum wage. I support these protests, and believe not only should the minimum wage but one of the most profitable industires should be paying their employees much much better. Im behind the $15 demand.
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Whole bunch of idiots that think flipping burgers and cleaning dirty fryer's is worth $15 an hour. It's not. I mock anyone that went on "strike" and anyone that thinks that wages should be about fairness and not market value.

You want more money? Go earn it, by making yourself worth more money.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: Fast-food workers kick off global labor action | Al Jazeera America

One of the biggest protests globally in solidarity with eachother all revolving around raising the minimum wage. I support these protests, and believe not only should the minimum wage but one of the most profitable industires should be paying their employees much much better. Im behind the $15 demand.
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A) I wonder how many of these people are actually fast food workers instead of the usual hired protesters.

B) To the extent that any of them are, I find it hilarious. :D I am almost mean enough to hope that they are successful, and manage to protest themselves into structural unemployment for the rest of their lives. :lol:


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clownboy said:
Go back and read, said nothing of the sort. It's YOU who have manufactured some bizzarro strawman from what I posted.
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Umm no. A user indicated their support for the minimum wage increase and your response (which you still seem quite adamant about for some reason) is that they should actually go and pay the fast food workers. This is your logic, your planet. Not planet earth where we can actually support policies without needing to physically enact them ourselves.

And plus what kind of logic is it to tell somebody to pay a fast food worker when they want ALL fast food workers to have a higher basic pay? And somehow you think being a military vet excuses you from this fallacious reasoning?
 
clownboy said:
So, in other words, you support them only until the dollars come from YOUR pocket. If your money is required, those workers are on their own. I understand your nuances perfectly.
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No you don't understand the nuances that's why your whole argument relies on a straw man.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Thats what they are calling for an increase in the minimum wage.
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i started out in 1986 making at 3.50 an hour. nearly 25 later in 2011 i was making 15.70 an hour at that job. i worked my butt off to get what i was earning and these people just want it given to them.

HELL no!!

btw you didn't address the points i made.
 
Zinthaniel said:
No you don't understand the nuances that's why your whole argument relies on a straw man.
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So now you prove for all you don't know what nuance or strawman is. Good work!
 
The solution: get rid of both Welfare and the minimum wage. Provide guaranteed jobs, by the Government, to anyone who shows up at a government work facility daily $10.00 an hour, proof of citizenship required. You have to show up every day to get that days wages. And you have to do any work they assign you.
 
clownboy said:
So now you prove for all you don't know what nuance or strawman is. Good work!
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Actually...you're the one that proved that you have no idea what you're talking about. Nice work!
 
Zinthaniel said:
Because I believe minimum wage should be increased.
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Everyone believes that. Just at a normal market rate. But I'm all for destroying the fast food market. So I guess I'm with you guys (socialists). This might be a first.
 
clownboy said:
So now you prove for all you don't know what nuance or strawman is. Good work!
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Actually I'm just laughing at your sad attempt at forming an argument. Your only solution is to informally circumvent established policies, that could risk the employment of the said employee, rather than a legitimate course of action. Your argument is silly fallacy.
 
Zinthaniel said:
Raising the Federal Minimum Wage to $10.10 Would Lift Wages for Millions and Provide a Modest Economic Boost | Economic Policy Institute
Raising The Minimum Wage To $10.10 Would Boost Growth By $22 Billion | ThinkProgress
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Yes, two progressive left wing outlets say their political ideological wants can trump economic reality. Color me shocked.

Hard work, education, sacrifice and smart decision making will lift you further, why do you want to coddle mediocrity?
 
Zinthaniel said:
Raising the Federal Minimum Wage to $10.10 Would Lift Wages for Millions and Provide a Modest Economic Boost | Economic Policy Institute
Raising The Minimum Wage To $10.10 Would Boost Growth By $22 Billion | ThinkProgress
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Once your theory is dependent upon magical money coming out of thin air, it's the underpants gnomes economic policy.

Meanwhile: CBO: Increase in Minimum Wage could cost 500,000 people their jobs

National Bureau of Economics Working Paper 19262: We find that the minimum wage reduces net job growth, with the most pronounced effects on younger and low-wage workers

National Bureau of Economics Working Paper 12663: Studies that focus on low-wage workers provide relatively overwhelming evidence that minimum wage increases result in strong disemployment effects

National Bureau of Economics Working Paper 18681: Utilizing proper control groups leads to stronger disemployment effects; the evidence shows that minimum wage increases still represent a trade-off between higher wages for some and unemployment for others

National Bureau of Economics Working Paper 6127: The Evidence indicates that Minimum Wage Increases mostly redistribute resources among the low wage demographics, with slightly more people falling into poverty due to the lost income of disemployment than rising out of it due to income increases.
 
law said:
Umm no. A user indicated their support for the minimum wage increase and your response (which you still seem quite adamant about for some reason) is that they should actually go and pay the fast food workers. This is your logic, your planet. Not planet earth where we can actually support policies without needing to physically enact them ourselves.

And plus what kind of logic is it to tell somebody to pay a fast food worker when they want ALL fast food workers to have a higher basic pay? And somehow you think being a military vet excuses you from this fallacious reasoning?
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You new, so I'll give you a break. The thread isn't about just raising the minimum wage in one city or one state, but for fast food workers in several countries. Note the title of the thread. A member here indicated they supported that struggle. So step up while those workers are engaged in the struggle. Help them make their nut. I didn't suggest you tip just one worker when you visit a FF joint, but ALL of them. Enough of you talkers start walking the support talk and the workers will have a much easier go of it.

I really wanted to see the depths of what you call "support". About thimble deep it appears.

And my veterans status was only revealed to answer your insipid use of strawman.

Please, don't speak of logic when you aren't on sound logical ground, it only makes you appear as you appear now.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Yes, two progressive left wing outlets say their political ideological wants can trump economic reality. Color me shocked.

Hard work, education, sacrifice and smart decision making will lift you further, why do you want to coddle mediocrity?
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With raising tuition costs. College is become more of a distant dream for low income individuals.
 
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Zinthaniel said:
Many economist disagree with the supposed backlash of increased wages.
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I'm sticking with common sense. Go ahead, make it $15, I'll be happy when the fast food market no longer exists.
 
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