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Teen ejected from prom after dads experience ‘impure thoughts’

MaggieD said:
Oh, stop it. Every "wrong" doesn't translate into a lawsuit, for God's sake. That's part of what's wrong with people in this country. "Cha-Ching Cha-Ching let the cash register ring."

The woman who asked her to leave should be ashamed of herself.

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Why?

As I understand it in the details of the OP her dress was well within the standards set by the school. It was long enough , not too tight etc.

For once the feminists got it right. She simply looks good and was penalized for it.

It may not be law suit worthy as you claim but the girl was wronged and the others who opposed her look and dress need to be shamed for it.
 
Soupnazi630 said:
Why?

As I understand it in the details of the OP her dress was well within the standards set by the school. It was long enough , not too tight etc.

For once the feminists got it right. She simply looks good and was penalized for it.

It may not be law suit worthy as you claim but the girl was wronged and the others who opposed her look and dress need to be shamed for it.
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Needs to be shamed for it? When somebody acts "the jerk" -- ASSUMING that's what happened here -- why do they need shaming? They've shamed themselves.

People better learn to grow thicker skins.

  1. Life isn't fair.
  2. There are jerks in this world.
  3. Don't let the jerks of the world turn you into one.
 
Soupnazi630 said:
Why?

As I understand it in the details of the OP her dress was well within the standards set by the school. It was long enough , not too tight etc.

For once the feminists got it right. She simply looks good and was penalized for it.

It may not be law suit worthy as you claim but the girl was wronged and the others who opposed her look and dress need to be shamed for it.
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The OP's source, Progressive Secular Humanist, misstated the facts. Have you read what the teen actually wrote on her sister's blog for yourself? I ask because I'm guessing that you haven't read through this thread.
 
Things have sure changed since I was a kid. When I showed up at my prom looking so dapper in that rented tux, the resulting fainting by the twitterpated female chaperones was simply attributed to their being overcome by the vapors.
 
MaggieD said:
Needs to be shamed for it? When somebody acts "the jerk" -- ASSUMING that's what happened here -- why do they need shaming? They've shamed themselves.

People better learn to grow thicker skins.

  1. Life isn't fair.
  2. There are jerks in this world.
  3. Don't let the jerks of the world turn you into one.
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She did not act the jerk the others who kicked her out did.

Shaming a jerk for being a jerk is not being a jerk.
 
Soupnazi630 said:
She did not act the jerk the others who kicked her out did.

Shaming a jerk for being a jerk is not being a jerk.
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How do you know how she acted? Were you there?

There are a lot of eyewitness accounts coming out now from people who were there (young people and adults), and according to them, she most certainly did act improper.
 
Soupnazi630 said:
She did not act the jerk the others who kicked her out did.

Shaming a jerk for being a jerk is not being a jerk.
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#3 didn't apply to her. It applied to you. Your "get even" philosophy is a waste of life energy.
 
MaggieD said:
Jack Hays, you're just twerking with us, and you know it.
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In the 20's, adults thought that Jazz kids doing the Charleston were debaucherous. After WW2 and into the 50's kids doing the jitterbug and Lindy were looked at as perverse and going to hell in a hand basket. In the 70's it was the pogo and slam dancing. The more things change the more they stay the same. It's just dancing, we might not understand it or like it, but it's just dancing.
 
DaveFagan said:
Everything is wrong with this picture. I'm sure her lawyers will profit handsomely with their one third of the settlement.
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Whether or not she should have been kicked out aside, I dont think there is going to be any settlement. Nobody has an inherent right to wear what ever they want to a school function and those running the function reserve the right to change their minds about what is, or is not appropriate. This change of mind can be fair, arbitrary, or for "no stated reason".
 
Paxaeon said:
"American Taliban: A 17-year-old girl was ejected from her prom in Virginia after several fathers in attendance complained about experiencing “impure thoughts” towards the teen.

Despite wearing dress code-appropriate clothing to the Richmond Homeschool Prom, Clare Ettinger reports she was removed from the dance for homeschooled teens because she aroused “impure thoughts” in some of the adult male chaperones.

In a guest post on her sister’s blog, Clare reports how one of the women organizing the dance disapproved of her dress, even after checking to see it met the “fingertip length” dress code requirement. Later the same chaperone who had complained about Clare’s dress pulled her aside to tell her that some of the dads felt her presence was “too provocative” and liable to cause “impure thoughts” among the males in attendance.

While in the ballroom, Clare reports a group of dads on a balcony above the dance floor were “ogling” the teen girls in attendance, making Clare and her friends feel uncomfortable." - Source


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What's wrong with this picture?
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Considering the source, I'd suggest the entire thing is nothing but a made up lie. That's what is going on.
 
HenryChinaski said:
In the 20's, adults thought that Jazz kids doing the Charleston were debaucherous. After WW2 and into the 50's kids doing the jitterbug and Lindy were looked at as perverse and going to hell in a hand basket. In the 70's it was the pogo and slam dancing. The more things change the more they stay the same. It's just dancing, we might not understand it or like it, but it's just dancing.
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Also the boys ( and dads ) WERE having impure thoughts about her.

Not because of the way she danced or dressed but simply because they were men.

I don't care how a hot girl is dressed or acting a straight guy is gonna look and have " impure " thoughts. Personally I think those thought are pure and healthy but the holier than thou chrsitian thought police disagrees.

The rules set by the prom organizers were met they simply hate that no amount of preaching or sripture on earth will make a boner go away when a hot gal enters the room.
 
Soupnazi630 said:
Also the boys ( and dads ) WERE having impure thoughts about her.

Not because of the way she danced or dressed but simply because they were men.

I don't care how a hot girl is dressed or acting a straight guy is gonna look and have " impure " thoughts. Personally I think those thought are pure and healthy but the holier than thou chrsitian thought police disagrees.

The rules set by the prom organizers were met they simply hate that no amount of preaching or sripture on earth will make a boner go away when a hot gal enters the room.
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Bingo, Mature guys though, reel that **** in and show some class.
 
Paxaeon said:
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What I have found here, in the comments, was how quickly and erroneously, the conservative right went on the attack, going as far to deny the incident even took place, calling it a lie. Those people you can cross off any list of being sagaciousness enough to even comment on it.

The incident did take place. Her name is Claire Ettinger. That is undisputed. What is at the point of contention is the facts surrounding it, specifically was it; a) the dress length, b) the fathers leering looks or impure thoughts, c) the boys “impure thoughts” due to dress length, d) her “provocative dance” as reported by the fathers. It could be any or all of the above. It could even be that Claire’s escort to that prom was black, as one astute commenter here stated. Unfortunately there has been no comment from the organizers of the prom.

After reading through about ten different sources reporting the same incident, I honestly have to conclude that while the left-leaning news sites are having a field day with this (and yes they are biased), however the right-leaning news sites are not even reporting this. That in itself is telling.

Another small but noteworthy tidbit: home schooling. Just as the right has their code words to disguise their racism, the left uses the term “home schooling” often to indicate the religious right, whom are at the forefront of the home schooling initiate. This ties in to the “impure thoughts”.

Another thing to note, which was overlooked, the motivating factor was the fact that she blogged this because her friends, who were also ejected, did not get their $25 refunded

While I am inclined to believe Claire’s story and am sympathetic to her situation, until we hear from the organizers and adults who attended, we are getting only one side of the story.
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That one side is what your source erroneously stated. Astounding that when you've chosen to use such large font to call attention to yourself that after all these pages, what you didn't say first was "My bad. I should've clicked on the link provided and read the primary source for myself."

But you haven't. We all "jump the gun" from time to time, but instead of owning your mistake, you go after the "conservative right"? Maybe that was your only intention when you began this thread.
 
Regardless of the details of what happened, IMO it's clear that the underlying motivation for kicking the girl out was the idea that these children (who would no longer be children once they reach their next birthday) need to be protected from the very sight of a sexually attractive female.

As soon-to-be adults, these kids are going to have to learn how to deal with reality. The world is not going to prevent them from coming into contact with people who are sexually attractive. At some point, these kids will have to learn how to deal with it without having to depend on Mommy and Daddy protecting them from any and all forms of exposure.

Avoidance is an extremely poor way to deal with issues, and these parents are doing a poor job of parenting if that is the strategy they are relying on.
 
ocean515 said:
Considering the source, I'd suggest the entire thing is nothing but a made up lie. That's what is going on.
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The only thing I believe in her story is that she was asked to leave the prom. The rest of it sounds like the arrogance of a teenager who thinks she's the next coming of Christie Brinkley.
 
tres borrachos said:
The only thing I believe in her story is that she was asked to leave the prom. The rest of it sounds like the arrogance of a teenager who thinks she's the next coming of Christie Brinkley.
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LOL

Again, because of the source, and the agenda behind the source, it's my sense the described circumstances never happened. Perhaps they did as you suggest, but in my opinion, they never did.
 
apdst said:
The problem with this picture is the school faculty is weak and stupid.



Good thing that wasn't my daughter. Getting kicked out the prom would be the least of their problems.
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I'm sorry, if her dress was "regulation" so to speak, then the problem was the chaperones. She followed the rules.
 
coyotedelmar said:
Came across a local news story about it, which had a comment from someone who did set-up for the prom. They had a link to a blog by someone who was at the prom who has a different story (man that is a mouthful):
Dads Are Not The Problem | the road less traveled


Chesterfield homeschooler kicked out of prom over
That is the first comment I mentioned.

This is going off the assumption they both are telling the truth about being there/going to it, since it'd be about impossible to verify. The second video has an interview with the girl who posted on the blog and her mom.
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I remain unconvinced one way or the other.

The dress fit the profile, but ran into difficulty with dancing. That's a borderline issue. Her provocative dancing? Remains nondescript. Claims that it wasn't the looks from men that influenced the decision-mixed reporting (even from the sources that claim it wasn't). The student claims she was acting respectfully are now matched with a reasonable possibility that she became unreasonably defiant toward authority figures. Teenagers (yes, including women with strong opinions) are certainly not immune from juvenile disdain and disrespect for authority (many may say it's almost a requirement).

That being said, there's this number:

Women use clothing and actions to attract men all the time, but as Christians and really just as moral people, ladies have a duty to dress in a way that earns respect and doesn’t tempt men. Everyone (not just men) have a duty to guard our thoughts from things that aren’t healthy, but men shouldn’t make it harder for women and women shouldn’t make it harder for men.
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Now, I have to keep in mind that a high school student wrote this (that reference to yellow journalism did not help matters much), that being said, we can be keen readers. The first sentence provides firstly the virtue of modest dress. That assumption tends to go without much contention, as that virtue by itself is in school dances across the country to begin with. That being said, we know her dress was essentially (not without certain difficulties) in the confines of the rules established by the dance. The first sentence likewise holds up the contention that Left-wing sources have issue with: the virtue of not tempting men. This was precisely what the student in question (and many media sources) claimed was an issue. That being said, the second sentence above seems to contradict the spirit of that first sentence. So which idea holds most true for her thought: the idea that women are held accountable for the temptations of men or that an opposite sex should not make matters more difficult for the students that are dressed? I'm not entirely certain, but I cannot rule out that she may think that a woman is held responsible for the temptations of men.

The student in question also rose the notion that prom is not a right and that homeschooled proms are going to be more conservative than, say, a public school prom. That wasn't in contention. What was in contention was whether or not the rules and the people involved placed a "ridiculous" standard of presentation on the women and being held accountable for the thoughts and desires of other parties.
 
Fiddytree said:
The student in question also rose the notion that prom is not a right and that homeschooled proms are going to be more conservative than, say, a public school prom. That wasn't in contention.

What was in contention was whether or not the rules and the people involved placed a "ridiculous" standard of presentation on the women and being held accountable for the thoughts and desires of other parties.
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Yikes, was this prom a private event?

And any contention that a ridiculous standard was placed on her would be extremely difficult to show if the prom, or any other event was being hosted by a private home school group and not a public school.

Though nobody has an inherent right to attend a public school prom, those hosting private events hosted have near absolute leeway in determining what is, or is not appropriate.

apdst said:
Good thing that wasn't my daughter. Getting kicked out the prom would be the least of their problems.
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Good grief

Does your daughter have an inherent right to attend private functions? The hosts of that private function do not need to answer to anyone in how they apply, or misapply, their rules.
 
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