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Teen ejected from prom after dads experience ‘impure thoughts’

After reading this quote from her, it's obvious what is going on here.
“I was told that the way I dressed and moved my body was causing men to think inappropriately about me, implying that it is my responsibility to control other people’s thoughts and drives,” Clare writes in her blog post. “I’m not responsible for some perverted 45 year old dad lusting after me because I have a sparkly dress on and a big ass for a teenager. And if you think I am, then maybe you’re part of the problem.”​
This self absorbed little girl needs to get over herself. As to the various "sources" who made it news to pimp their agenda, I say shame on you.Obviously, there is far more to the story, but that would kill the meme they are trying to spread.
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You really need to get over yourself. This is a 17 year old girl. If she voiced her opinion in a manner that enrages you, you can thank the Christian home schooling she got. It's the same story here, ridged "confirmation bias" and "epistemic closure."
 
And yeah, people all over the political spectrum often impose their viewpoints on others. It's a part of human nature, and as long as it's not taken too far, I don't have a problem with it. In fact, in many situations social pressure to conform to community norms can be a good thing and at a minimum, learning how to get along (or at least go along) with people who are different than you are is a worthy skill for a young person to cultivate. In this case, even if the girls story is 100% accurate, I don't think there are any grounds for a lawsuit. It would merely be a lesson learned for this girl. Even if her story isn't accurate, it's still a lesson for her.

Very well said.

I think Christ's admonishment to avoid giving needless offense" regarding paying the Temple Tax may well have been illustrating that some deference to social norms and the feelings of others is needed for a stable society. Routinely giving needless offense can lead to tit for tat retaliation and thus exacerbate social divisions that exist in all societies.
 
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You really need to get over yourself. This is a 17 year old girl. If she voiced her opinion in a manner that enrages you, you can thank the Christian home schooling she got. It's the same story here, ridged "confirmation bias" and "epistemic closure."

BS. The ball is not in my court. Bashing Christians from what is perceived as some kind of high pedestal only proves how insignificant this child, and those who buy her story, really are.

The child needs to get over herself, and the others who have tried to exploit her fantasy need to do the same. The only story is how desperate people are to pimp her self absorbed ego.
 
And from the reports, which I admit are one-sided, the girl wasn't asked to leave because she broke any rules. It was because her behavior might cause the boys to have impure thoughts.

In thinking (and re-reading), it seems possible the reason wasn't that it'd cause "impure thoughts," but maybe was for dancing/dress code and Claire added the impure thoughts (be it on purpose, or just why she thought it was, or a mix). Consider she brings up looking hot (but not trashy!) and later how she has a big butt. Also about being curvy, though I'd have to check again but I think that and the long legs were both in explaining how it can be hard to find a dress, though arguably the curvy may not need to be in there (is it really needed for the story?).

How it is written, she makes it sound as though when they got there and saw the dads on the balcony, her first that was they were only there to ogle her/other girls.To me, and again that may not be what she was meaning it to come off as, she assumed she was hot and thus guys would be checking her out. So, lets say Mrs. D does later come and tell her she needs to tone down the dancing (be it if Claire is lying about just swaying, or telling the truth), it seemed possible that Claire could take that as she is turning the guys on ("causing impure thoughts," which by the way is great wording if you are trying to get your post to get reposted, since it sounds like religious phrasing).


I'll admit I'm bias, in part because the story seems somewhat unbelievable and one-sided, in part because Claire's apparently first thoughts were "Rape culture!" "Patriarchy!", and in part because it just doesn't sound like the whole story/truth.


Some more supposed witness accounts, sadly most (I've found) are either blogs or people commenting to an article/blog so it is hard to say they are who they say they are:
A Girl Named Alexa: Victimization or Twisted Narrative?

A Girl Named Alexa: Victimization or Twisted Narrative?
 
In thinking (and re-reading), it seems possible the reason wasn't that it'd cause "impure thoughts," but maybe was for dancing/dress code and Claire added the impure thoughts (be it on purpose, or just why she thought it was, or a mix). Consider she brings up looking hot (but not trashy!) and later how she has a big butt. Also about being curvy, though I'd have to check again but I think that and the long legs were both in explaining how it can be hard to find a dress, though arguably the curvy may not need to be in there (is it really needed for the story?).

How it is written, she makes it sound as though when they got there and saw the dads on the balcony, her first that was they were only there to ogle her/other girls.To me, and again that may not be what she was meaning it to come off as, she assumed she was hot and thus guys would be checking her out. So, lets say Mrs. D does later come and tell her she needs to tone down the dancing (be it if Claire is lying about just swaying, or telling the truth), it seemed possible that Claire could take that as she is turning the guys on ("causing impure thoughts," which by the way is great wording if you are trying to get your post to get reposted, since it sounds like religious phrasing).


I'll admit I'm bias, in part because the story seems somewhat unbelievable and one-sided, in part because Claire's apparently first thoughts were "Rape culture!" "Patriarchy!", and in part because it just doesn't sound like the whole story/truth.


Some more supposed witness accounts, sadly most (I've found) are either blogs or people commenting to an article/blog so it is hard to say they are who they say they are:
A Girl Named Alexa: Victimization or Twisted Narrative?

A Girl Named Alexa: Victimization or Twisted Narrative?

It is possible that she has not accurately reported the events, either because her own viewpoint (and possibly vanity) prevents her from seeing them accurately, or even because she is outright lying. However, even if we take the least flattering portrait of her behavior, we have a girl who wore a dress that was within the rules, and who danced "inappropriately".

Unless she was "twerking" (doubtful, given the cut of the dress) or grabbing her crotch and breasts, it doesn't seem like a big enough problem for expulsion from the prom.
 
It is possible that she has not accurately reported the events, either because her own viewpoint (and possibly vanity) prevents her from seeing them accurately, or even because she is outright lying. However, even if we take the least flattering portrait of her behavior, we have a girl who wore a dress that was within the rules, and who danced "inappropriately".

Unless she was "twerking" (doubtful, given the cut of the dress) or grabbing her crotch and breasts, it doesn't seem like a big enough problem for expulsion from the prom.

Was this in the slopes of Virgini, among the hillfolk? How many other blacks were present.
 
Couple reasons why I don't really believe the girl
First the odds that this would happen to someone who just happens to be sisters with someone who has a blog that is titled fu$k the patriarchy seems like pretty big coincidence.
Second so the men where ogling her and talking about her. Then the men complained and asked to have her kicked out. If they were ogling her that means they were enjoying looking at her why exactly would they then have her kicked out so they can no longer look at her. It just doesn't really make sense. People generally do not want to stop doing something they are enjoying.
 
Another teenager who attended the prom (linked by coyotedelmar pages back), a Callie Hobbs/Hobbes, stated that it was when the first teen showed extreme disrespect to the adults that she was asked to leave. The first teen did post in her sister's blog that as she left, she flipped those adults off, so it's not difficult to believe what the second teen says about the disrespect.
 
the story seems somewhat unbelievable and one-sided, in part because Claire's apparently first thoughts were "Rape culture!" "Patriarchy!", and in part because it just doesn't sound like the whole story/truth.

That was my first impression as well. It doesn't sound like what actual conservative men would say or think, it sounds like what someone attempting to create a crude stereotype strawman of them for a hook (or because they were embarrassed and angry and wanted to paint the mean old grown ups in the worst light possible) would say that they think.
 
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<snip><unsnip>Some more supposed witness accounts, sadly most (I've found) are either blogs or people commenting to an article/blog so it is hard to say they are who they say they are:
A Girl Named Alexa: Victimization or Twisted Narrative?A Girl Named Alexa: Victimization or Twisted Narrative?
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1) A Girl Named Alexa is a blog/journal by a young lady who gives her opinions on things. Her age is unknown as is her education level. She doesn't indicate she is especially qualified at anything other than to say; "There is one aspect of my life that so defines me that without it, I would be completely empty and broken. That is God. He is my creator, my savior, and my lord. Without Him I would be nothing, and because of that I owe Him everything." While that is not a disqualifier, it does taint her opinion.

The anonymous reply from "Jordan" appears more like a plant than an actual eyewitness account. Also, unfortunately, there still is no comment from the adults who planned this event, so it does suffer an imbalance.

The greatest problem here is that fact that this was even reported on. Gawker - Today's gossip is tomorrow's news broke the story (which was never properly vetted) and the left wing news services gleefully picked up on it, not wanting to miss a chance to dig into the conservative and religious right. All things being equal, both sides do this.

This is not really news per se but sensationalism. 17 year old Claire Ettinger posted this on her sisters blog more as a rant than a factual itinerary of events. Her's was an emotional diatribe for the purpose of venting. A blog such as this is not necessarily meant to attract attention outside her community. Millions of teens rant online about all sorts so what made this rant so special? The motive is quite clear, it gave the left another reason to point out the hypocrisy of the right. If you look at the words she uses, chuck full of hurt feelings, I don't see how anyone could mistake this for an objective news story. The blog is being taken out of context and in many ways, should never have been picked up by the left. It only cheapened them.

Truth is a subjective concept, one that can be accepted or rejected according to a persons prejudices. Claire wrote her perception of the truth, albeit emotionally hyperbolic. To say she lied is inane because her intention on writing this was not meant to be a factual report. While I believe the incident took place, Claire's perceptions seem to be clouded with emotions and considering the event, I don't blame her. But taking her blog about this as some kind of absolute truism is foolish.


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"American Taliban: A 17-year-old girl was ejected from her prom in Virginia after several fathers in attendance complained about experiencing “impure thoughts” towards the teen.

Despite wearing dress code-appropriate clothing to the Richmond Homeschool Prom, Clare Ettinger reports she was removed from the dance for homeschooled teens because she aroused “impure thoughts” in some of the adult male chaperones.

In a guest post on her sister’s blog, Clare reports how one of the women organizing the dance disapproved of her dress, even after checking to see it met the “fingertip length” dress code requirement. Later the same chaperone who had complained about Clare’s dress pulled her aside to tell her that some of the dads felt her presence was “too provocative” and liable to cause “impure thoughts” among the males in attendance.

While in the ballroom, Clare reports a group of dads on a balcony above the dance floor were “ogling” the teen girls in attendance, making Clare and her friends feel uncomfortable.
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What's wrong with this picture?

they removed the wrong person?
 

LOL, I wouldn't jump to too many conclusions.


White's - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are many such clubs in the UK, Boodle's and Brook's are two other well known such establishments. They are simply places gentlemen might go to escape the bustle of a big city - Author and publisher Tom Stacey, who has been a White's member for 40 years, describes it is a "refuge".

"You can be completely unselfconscious. You are among people you have grown up with, people you went to school with. You speak the same instinctive language. It is not snobbish. It just allows you to relax."

My dad was a member of White's, and I have been there as a small boy - I can assure you the atmosphere is the very soul of decorum (although I found it also incredibly boring), :)
LOL!!!... Just because some men are in high positions doesn't automatically mean they are gentlemen away from public attention.
 
LOL!!!... Just because some men are in high positions doesn't automatically mean they are gentlemen away from public attention.

I'm not sure quite what you are attempting to refute. I simply stated that 'gentlemen's clubs' are a different animal in the UK, and are not seedy venues, regardless of the membership. Surely you have similar establishments in the USA?
 
I'm not sure quite what you are attempting to refute. I simply stated that 'gentlemen's clubs' are a different animal in the UK, and are not seedy venues, regardless of the membership. Surely you have similar establishments in the USA?

Yes. The general term with which I'm familiar is "private club." From Wiki (scroll down for a list of U.S. clubs similar to the ones in Britain to which you're referring):

In the United States, the term "gentlemen's club" commonly is used to refer euphemistically to strip clubs. As a result, traditional gentlemen's clubs often are referred to as "men's clubs" or "city clubs" (as opposed to country clubs) or simply as "private social clubs" or just "private clubs". Gentlemen's club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Yes. The general term with which I'm familiar is "private club." From Wiki (scroll down for a list of U.S. clubs similar to the ones in Britain to which you're referring):

In the United States, the term "gentlemen's club" commonly is used to refer euphemistically to strip clubs. As a result, traditional gentlemen's clubs often are referred to as "men's clubs" or "city clubs" (as opposed to country clubs) or simply as "private social clubs" or just "private clubs". Gentlemen's club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LOL, thanks! I didn't know that 'gentleman's club' was an euphemism for a 'strip joint' in the USA. :) I guess, despite all our tradition, we are a little more down to earth on this side of the pond. For example, we call an arse 'an arse', not a donkey. :D
 
LOL, thanks! I didn't know that 'gentleman's club' was an euphemism for a 'strip joint' in the USA. :) I guess, despite all our tradition, we are a little more down to earth on this side of the pond. For example, we call an arse 'an arse', not a donkey. :D
Oops, yeah, I didn't realize that in Europe the term actually is a little more respectable.
 
LOL, thanks! I didn't know that 'gentleman's club' was an euphemism for a 'strip joint' in the USA. :) I guess, despite all our tradition, we are a little more down to earth on this side of the pond. For example, we call an arse 'an arse', not a donkey. :D

Well, we don't misspell "ass" anyway. :lol:
 
Well, we don't misspell "ass" anyway. :lol:

LOL, neither do we - from the King James Bible -

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass ... :mrgreen:

The Oxford English Dictionaries define 'ass' as follows -

A hoofed mammal of the horse family, which is typically smaller than a horse and has longer ears and a braying call.

Genus Equus, family Equidae: E. africanus of Africa, which is the ancestor of the domestic ass or donkey, and E. hemionus of Asia
 
If the dads are experiencing "impure" thoughts about the teenage girls, then perhaps they shouldn't be there at the prom cramping the girls' style? :mrgreen:
 
If the dads are experiencing "impure" thoughts about the teenage girls, then perhaps they shouldn't be there at the prom cramping the girls' style? :mrgreen:
Maybe the girls should accommodate.

Did I just channel Gipper? :mrgreen:
 
Maybe the girls should accommodate.

Did I just channel Gipper? :mrgreen:

Good Lord, please, one is more than enough. :lol:
 
"American Taliban: A 17-year-old girl was ejected from her prom in Virginia after several fathers in attendance complained about experiencing “impure thoughts” towards the teen.

Despite wearing dress code-appropriate clothing to the Richmond Homeschool Prom, Clare Ettinger reports she was removed from the dance for homeschooled teens because she aroused “impure thoughts” in some of the adult male chaperones.

In a guest post on her sister’s blog, Clare reports how one of the women organizing the dance disapproved of her dress, even after checking to see it met the “fingertip length” dress code requirement. Later the same chaperone who had complained about Clare’s dress pulled her aside to tell her that some of the dads felt her presence was “too provocative” and liable to cause “impure thoughts” among the males in attendance.

While in the ballroom, Clare reports a group of dads on a balcony above the dance floor were “ogling” the teen girls in attendance, making Clare and her friends feel uncomfortable.
" - Source



What's wrong with this picture?

That's just what the teen accuses. Sorry if I find the word of a teenager who was kicked out of a dance to be highly suspicious. For all we know she was acting like a brat or something and ruining everyone's night.

For all we know it didn't happen at all - or that one woman had a serious issues and made that all up (I don't trust adults, either).

The LAST THING I think actually happened was a bunch of dads walked up to some woman and said "See that girl - I want to **** her" - like they're some sort of pedophiles. Men don't go around announcing that crap. I'd be stunned as hell if that REALLY happened the way she accuses and men actually voiced that. Total BS to me.
 
That's just what the teen accuses. Sorry if I find the word of a teenager who was kicked out of a dance to be highly suspicious. For all we know she was acting like a brat or something and ruining everyone's night.

For all we know it didn't happen at all - or that one woman had a serious issues and made that all up (I don't trust adults, either).

The LAST THING I think actually happened was a bunch of dads walked up to some woman and said "See that girl - I want to **** her" - like they're some sort of pedophiles. Men don't go around announcing that crap. I'd be stunned as hell if that REALLY happened the way she accuses and men actually voiced that. Total BS to me.

Come on, Aunt Spiker.This is a teen we are talking about! You know damn well that no teen has ever acted out, tested limits or embellished a story to avoid the consequences of their own actions. Never!
 
As I have followed this thread, it has become more probable to me that the teen... at the very least... greatly exaggerated the whole situation.
 
That's just what the teen accuses. Sorry if I find the word of a teenager who was kicked out of a dance to be highly suspicious. For all we know she was acting like a brat or something and ruining everyone's night.

For all we know it didn't happen at all - or that one woman had a serious issues and made that all up (I don't trust adults, either).

The LAST THING I think actually happened was a bunch of dads walked up to some woman and said "See that girl - I want to **** her" - like they're some sort of pedophiles. Men don't go around announcing that crap. I'd be stunned as hell if that REALLY happened the way she accuses and men actually voiced that. Total BS to me.

That's a good point. Did she actually say the dads said something to her though? Or did she see them or overhear them talking?

As an aside, I don't really know which side to believe. It could have happened either way, and both are plausible IMO. It would be interesting to hear from other teens who were there and what they have to say, as well as dads themselves and other chaperones.
 
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