X DARPA Director & Google Exec Pushes Microchipping Human Beings

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An ex DARPA director and Google exec want to start putting implants into people, good idea? You might not be able to draw money or grocery shop without authentication and identification.

I think we all could see this coming with technology and gov't control increasing. Is it time to Microchip the human race? Though, I can already see the hackers finding ways of changing the identities. Where there's a lock, there's always a thief.

With the recent revelations by NSA whistle blower Edward Snowden, it’s no secret that we live on a planet characterized by mass surveillance and virtually zero privacy. We live in a world where we are constantly bombarded with the idea that we face threats, that a high level of national security is needed in order to keep us safe. Think about it, the United States pumps a large majority of their money into the Department of Defense. A state of fear, war and terror is needed to keep those funds flowing in that direction.

It doesn’t stop there, remember when credit and debit cards changed into one with a chip? That could be you in a few years as multiple corporations are pushing to microchip the human race. In fact, microchip implants in humans are already on the market. For example, an American company called Applied Digital Solutions (ADS) has developed one approximately the size of a grain of rice, and has already had it approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for distribution and implementation.

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Imo, hell no, it's not time to microchip humans. The thought literally makes me feel sick to my stomach. Ughhh. What a disgusting thought.

grip said:

X DARPA Director & Google Exec Pushes Microchipping Human Beings | Collective-Evolution


An ex DARPA director and Google exec want to start putting implants into people, good idea? You might not be able to draw money or grocery shop without authentication and identification.

I think we all could see this coming with technology and gov't control increasing. Is it time to Microchip the human race? Though, I can already see the hackers finding ways of changing the identities. Where there's a lock, there's always a thief.

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Before going down that road we had better get much more robust control of our government personnel.

lizzie said:

Imo, hell no, it's not time to microchip humans. The thought literally makes me feel sick to my stomach. Ughhh. What a disgusting thought.

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Makes me think of the banking commercial,
Washington Mutual advert - scan - YouTube

grip said:

X DARPA Director & Google Exec Pushes Microchipping Human Beings | Collective-Evolution


An ex DARPA director and Google exec want to start putting implants into people, good idea? You might not be able to draw money or grocery shop without authentication and identification.

I think we all could see this coming with technology and gov't control increasing. Is it time to Microchip the human race? Though, I can already see the hackers finding ways of changing the identities. Where there's a lock, there's always a thief.

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How about these pieces of **** who suggest that people ought to be microchipped be the first ones to volunteer and then supply everyone else with a app that can track their ass and see how long those people think its a good idea to microchip people?

grip said:

X DARPA Director & Google Exec Pushes Microchipping Human Beings | Collective-Evolution


An ex DARPA director and Google exec want to start putting implants into people, good idea? You might not be able to draw money or grocery shop without authentication and identification.

I think we all could see this coming with technology and gov't control increasing. Is it time to Microchip the human race? Though, I can already see the hackers finding ways of changing the identities. Where there's a lock, there's always a thief.

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There's no way this becomes mandatory; but that said it's not a bad idea. A passive RFID tag could give you secure access to everything. ID theft would become much harder, you wouldn't need keys for your house or car. You wouldn't even need to carry your wallet and ID. You're already tracked everywhere you go with your cell phone. And you need to carry all of these credentials everywhere you go. And they have a limited range, which means that it would be pretty tough to be scanned without your knowledge.

So you could carry keys, wallet, credit cards, and ids... or get a rice sized implant which does the work of all of them.

longview said:

Makes me think of the banking commercial,
Washington Mutual advert - scan - YouTube

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And that is the foot in the door that they use a crock of **** excuse to chip people. No thank you.

joG said:

Before going down that road we had better get much more robust control of our government personnel.

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jamesrage said:

How about these pieces of **** who suggest that people ought to be microchipped be the first ones to volunteer and then supply everyone else with a app that can track their ass and see how long those people think its a good idea to microchip people?

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Mithros said:

There's no way this becomes mandatory; but that said it's not a bad idea. A passive RFID tag could give you secure access to everything. ID theft would become much harder, you wouldn't need keys for your house or car. You wouldn't even need to carry your wallet and ID. You're already tracked everywhere you go with your cell phone. And you need to carry all of these credentials everywhere you go. And they have a limited range, which means that it would be pretty tough to be scanned without your knowledge.

So you could carry keys, wallet, credit cards, and ids... or get a rice sized implant which does the work of all of them.

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I don't think they'll sell this tech very easily. At first it will be optional to show how beneficial it is, then as people see they can't hardly function in modern society without it, they'll push it hard.

Of course we can be tracked already to some degree, but I fear any ability to manipulate this tech for nefarious purposes will be the real hurdle. And yes it could be both a positive and negative, like most things of impact.

The thing I don't like is the treatment of humans like cattle or herds. And a chip could hold all your records, including medical, financial, education/employment, criminal etc.

Mithros said:

There's no way this becomes mandatory; but that said it's not a bad idea. A passive RFID tag could give you secure access to everything. ID theft would become much harder, you wouldn't need keys for your house or car. You wouldn't even need to carry your wallet and ID. You're already tracked everywhere you go with your cell phone. And you need to carry all of these credentials everywhere you go. And they have a limited range, which means that it would be pretty tough to be scanned without your knowledge.

So you could carry keys, wallet, credit cards, and ids... or get a rice sized implant which does the work of all of them.

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Anything can be hacked and used for malicious purposes, or could experience failure. If the perception is that the RFID chip "tells no lies" about who did what, you have some pretty bad situations that can occur.

Mithros said:

There's no way this becomes mandatory; but that said it's not a bad idea. A passive RFID tag could give you secure access to everything. ID theft would become much harder, you wouldn't need keys for your house or car. You wouldn't even need to carry your wallet and ID. You're already tracked everywhere you go with your cell phone. And you need to carry all of these credentials everywhere you go. And they have a limited range, which means that it would be pretty tough to be scanned without your knowledge.

So you could carry keys, wallet, credit cards, and ids... or get a rice sized implant which does the work of all of them.

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ID theft becomes simpler, there is only one lock to bypass, RFID cypher. Good security requires defense in depth each layer different from the others and independent from the others. Time is the enemy of the thief. Soak up the thief's time and efforts. Nothing is one hundred percent, but with good security the likelihood of you being target and your id stolen successfully is far less.

grip said:

I don't think they'll sell this tech very easily. At first it will be optional to show how beneficial it is, then as people see they can't hardly function in modern society without it, they'll push it hard.

Of course we can be tracked already to some degree, but I fear any ability to manipulate this tech for nefarious purposes will be the real hurdle. And yes it could be both a positive and negative, like most things of impact.

The thing I don't like is the treatment of humans like cattle or herds. And a chip could hold all your records, including medical, financial, education/employment, criminal etc.

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The chip won't hold anything, it would just be authentication. There wouldn't be any additional data or tracking, it's just an easier way to access it.

You're right that there's a lot of work to do on privacy, and just because we can do something doesn't mean we should.

If you have an EZ-Pass, you already know this is going to happen and you know how they are going to do it.

PirateMk1 said:

ID theft becomes simpler, there is only one lock to bypass, RFID cypher. Good security requires defense in depth each layer different from the others and independent from the others. Time is the enemy of the thief. Soak up the thief's time and efforts. Nothing is one hundred percent, but with good security the likelihood of you being target and your id stolen successfully is far less.

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It's no less secure than any other method, and it allows for multple levels of security.. ie cryptorfid + pin

i doubt it will ever happen because the average person would be repelled by it. some, on the other hand, actually would resist with force. it would just be a big mess. if they really are planning something like this, they need to put down the opium pipe.

Here's some old articles about ADS......


FDA Warns Firm About Chip Marketing

November 20, 2002 | From Reuters

Applied Digital Solutions Inc. has improperly marketed its implanted microchip for medical uses, regulators warned in a letter. The VeriChip is a scannable device, implanted under the skin, that contains an identification number. The maker has said it may be useful for finding missing persons or speeding up medical diagnoses. The Food and Drug Administration ruled in October that it would not regulate the VeriChip if it were not sold for medical applications.


First Humans to Receive ID Chips

May 9, 2002 | David Streitfeld, Times Staff Writer

Eight people will be injected with silicon chips Friday, making them scannable just like a jar of peanut butter in the supermarket checkout line. The miniature devices, about the size of a grain of rice, were developed by a Florida company. They will be targeted to families of Alzheimer's patients--one of the fastest growing groups in American society--as well as others who have complicated medical histories. "It's a safety precaution," explained Nate Isaacson.



U.S. Backs Microchip Access to Patient's Data

October 14, 2004 | From Times Wire Reports

A microchip that can be implanted under the skin to give doctors instant access to a patient's records has won government approval, a step that could revolutionize medical care but is raising alarm among privacy advocates. The chip transmits a unique code to a scanner that allows doctors to confirm a patient's identity and obtain detailed medical information from an accompanying database. Applied Digital Solutions Inc. of Delray Beach, Fla.

Articles about Applied Digital Solutions Inc - Los Angeles Times



I think it would be too tempting for some parents to put a chip in their kids so they could track their every move.

But what do you think about implanting them in sex offenders or parolees instead of using an ankle bracelet?

Depends on how its used, could you imagine it as part of a ultra-controling society? Sure. Could you imagine it as a tool that could tell someone your medical information, or your bank information, or any other kind of data about you that you probably already readily and easily give it at times of your choosing?

I may not get one, I'm kind of old fashion (I don't even have a smart phone) but having a micro-chip would not be the end of the world depending on how its used.

grip said:

I don't think they'll sell this tech very easily. At first it will be optional to show how beneficial it is, then as people see they can't hardly function in modern society without it, they'll push it hard.

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I see employers requiring this for security clearance and politicians with their lips on the cocks of business owners will agree to this.Luckily some states have banned employers from requiring chip implants. This **** should be stopped in it's tracks period before the useful retards out there can get a chance to agree to that technology.

Microchip implant (human) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mithros said:

The chip won't hold anything, it would just be authentication. There wouldn't be any additional data or tracking, it's just an easier way to access it.

You're right that there's a lot of work to do on privacy, and just because we can do something doesn't mean we should.

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For those purposes it would be just as reasonable to use a retina or finger print scan. With the massive data bases gov't and corporations possess, they easily have most of our info.

No, they want it for other reasons from tracking more accurately to some sort of control. I can dump a phone and get one untraced, as a matter of fact I recently changed carriers and forgot to notify certain services that had no clue how to contact me. Email has already been outdated as a form of contact, except for online receipts for purchases and spam ads.

It would be like a blackbox I think, recording your movements and used by the alphabet agencies.

jamesrage said:

I see employers requiring this for security clearance and politicians with their lips on the cocks of business owners will agree to this.Luckily some states have banned employers from requiring chip implants. This **** should be stopped in it's tracks period before the useful retards out there can get a chance to agree to that technology.

Microchip implant (human) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The world's gov't and industrial leaders already have a brand for us "breeders and feeders", and feel a need to cull the ranks and control the herd. It's not all meant to be a bad thing, but it's also not easy to foresee the problems and invasions of privacy from it.

Helix said:

i doubt it will ever happen because the average person would be repelled by it. some, on the other hand, actually would resist with force. it would just be a big mess. if they really are planning something like this, they need to put down the opium pipe.

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However if means the difference between a desirable job and no job many people will take the chip.Look at drug tests for example.At first no employer required them or made their employer subjected to them.The useful retards out there said if you do not want to worry about taking a piss then you can just get a job that doesn't require or subject you to taking piss tests.Now practically every employer requires or can subject you to a piss test, even many minimum wage or slightly above minimum wage jobs require piss tests or can subject you to piss tests.

X DARPA director....now Google exec?


Suddenly my trust in Google just dropped a few notches.

grip said:

For those purposes it would be just as reasonable to use a retina or finger print scan. With the massive data bases gov't and corporations possess, they easily have most of our info.

No, they want it for other reasons from tracking more accurately to some sort of control. I can dump a phone and get one untraced, as a matter of fact I recently changed carriers and forgot to notify certain services that had no clue how to contact me. Email has already been outdated as a form of contact, except for online receipts for purchases and spam ads.

It would be like a blackbox I think, recording your movements and used by the alphabet agencies.

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Those are more difficult problems, have less accurate systems, and require more expensive hardware. It's far more difficult to transfer data from one system to another as the ID encoding is dependant on both the hardware and recognition techniques. ie.. what exactly does a finger print look like in memory? How do you encode it in a searchable way? That's another problem with these systems; it's hard to distinguish between very large numbers of individuals. You can't compare a finger print against 300,000,000 other fingerprints, you're going to need some way to significantly parse down the search.

I don't think anyone working on RFID have any desire to track you. Lets face it, none of us are interesting enough to warrant that kind of attention. I'd call it more of a consumer friendly and cheap form of more secure ID.

lizzie said:

Imo, hell no, it's not time to microchip humans. The thought literally makes me feel sick to my stomach. Ughhh. What a disgusting thought.

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That's because you're envisioning some sort of mandatory implant a 1984-esque government stuffs into you at birth, and that's not what we're talking about here.

jamesrage said:

However if means the difference between a desirable job and no job many people will take the chip.Look at drug tests for example.At first no employer required them or made their employer subjected to them.The useful retards out there said if you do not want to worry about taking a piss then you can just get a job that doesn't require or subject you to taking piss tests.Now practically every employer requires or can subject you to a piss test, even many minimum wage or slightly above minimum wage jobs require piss tests or can subject you to piss tests.

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The ones who are going to go full nutball over it don't care about drug user privacy. There are enough who will utterly flip out over the chip, though, that it's pretty unlikely to catch on, at least for a few generations.

Mithros said:

Those are more difficult problems, have less accurate systems, and require more expensive hardware. It's far more difficult to transfer data from one system to another as the ID encoding is dependant on both the hardware and recognition techniques. ie.. what exactly does a finger print look like in memory? How do you encode it in a searchable way? That's another problem with these systems; it's hard to distinguish between very large numbers of individuals. You can't compare a finger print against 300,000,000 other fingerprints, you're going to need some way to significantly parse down the search.

I don't think anyone working on RFID have any desire to track you. Lets face it, none of us are interesting enough to warrant that kind of attention. I'd call it more of a consumer friendly and cheap form of more secure ID.

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Finger printing criminals as a form of ID has been happening for decades. Law enforcement agencies have software that match the prints image with records.

I agree with your last statement as a cheap form of ID but there's still more to it. There's too many possibilities for abuse and misuse for people to accept it, willingly, yet. They'll probably come out with an encrypted nano-tech tattoo next.