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They’re lying about Louis C.K.: He’s right about Common Core — and not a Tea Partyer

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As a fan of Louie I've been aware of and then following the dust up about his comments on Common Core. His sentiments are pretty similar to mine, as well as virtually every family member I have that is in public education. Interesting read.

They’re lying about Louis C.K.: He’s right about Common Core — and not a Tea Partyer - Salon.com

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Sometimes it takes a comedian to make a serious point.

When Louis C.K. went on a Twitter rant about the standardized tests and Common Core State Standards being rolled out in his own children’s public schools, he brought to mind other instances where comedians have broken through the fog of typical policy debate to reflect how most people really feel about an issue.

Similarly, what Louis C.K. said about current education policies like standardized testing and the Common Core occurred against a backdrop of popular dissent.

A Movement, Not a Moment

When new standardized tests Louis C.K. railed against rolled out in New York, at least 33,000 students skipped the tests. At one Brooklyn school, so many parents opted their students out of the tests the teachers were told they were no longer needed to proctor the exams. At another Brooklyn school, 80 percent of the students opted out. Elsewhere in Long Island, 41 school districts in Nassau and Suffolk counties reported thousands of students refusing to take the test, and an additional district reported hundreds more. What is happening in New York is indicative of a groundswell of popular dissent – what Peter Rothberg, a journalist for the Nation and a New York City parent, called a “nationwide movement” – against the overuse and abuse of standardized testing in public schools.
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Re: They’re lying about Louis C.K.: He’s right about Common Core — and not a Tea Part

He is allowed his opinion no matter his political leanings.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
He is allowed his opinion no matter his political leanings.
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Which nobody has said he wasn't.

What his opinions speak to is the "teaching to the test" that occurs now. These standardized tests are SO important to the school that the teachers have to devote most of their time preparing the kids to take this test. Which is exactly what Liberals were talking about during Bush's "No Child Left Behind" BS. To say that these are "Conservative" ideas is wrong. It's common sense ideas vs. government ideas.
 
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It's a pretty fair article on the problems associated with CC. I wish more people would become actively involved in their children's "new" curriculum. It so sad what policy drones are doing to our education system. Education has never, EVER been a one size fits all. Any movement in that direction should always be concerning.

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rocket88 said:
Which nobody has said he wasn't.

What his opinions speak to is the "teaching to the test" that occurs now. These standardized tests are SO important to the school that the teachers have to devote most of their time preparing the kids to take this test. Which is exactly what Liberals were talking about during Bush's "No Child Left Behind" BS. To say that these are "Conservative" ideas is wrong. It's common sense ideas vs. government ideas.
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I understand that, but being an entertainer people assume he is a hard lefty.
 
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Is there justification for referring to Common Core as a progressive indoctrination program?
 
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rocket88 said:
Which nobody has said he wasn't.

What his opinions speak to is the "teaching to the test" that occurs now. These standardized tests are SO important to the school that the teachers have to devote most of their time preparing the kids to take this test. Which is exactly what Liberals were talking about during Bush's "No Child Left Behind" BS. To say that these are "Conservative" ideas is wrong. It's common sense ideas vs. government ideas.
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Which brings us the the real problem, how can we objectively measure how good the education is in a way that will not be vulnerable to juking the stats
 
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I honestly have mixed emotions about this. The U.S. school system has a few bright spots but has become mostly a cesspool of indoctrination, social engineering, theory, and incompetence and simply doesn't do a whole lot of education any more. I have interviewed high school students who were not literate enough to fill out a comprehensive job application form. There needs to be some method to identify the children who are deficient in some subject or subjects and help them catch up instead of just doing social promotion to move them along.

But I also hate the concept of teaching to a standardized test as that is not education but a kind of fancy trivial pursuit game.

I do think kids need to be tested around fourth or fifth grade and then again around eight grade just to verify they are getting the basics. It also advises teachers, students, parents when a child needs some remedial work in order to better ensure success in doing more advanced studies that will be coming up. But I think those tests need to be radically changed from year to year just as the SATs are so that the teachers won't know what will be on them and will teach the whole subject.

I also believe that if there is any hint of social engineering garbage on the tests, whoever wrote the test should be fired immediately.
 
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nota bene said:
Is there justification for referring to Common Core as a progressive indoctrination program?
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Nobody in the article said anything like that nor has anyone in the thread. However if anyone did make such a claim I'd say they were employing a healthy dose of hyperbole. ;)
 
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Louis C.K. loves fat chicks. He has no merit.
 
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Crovax said:
Which brings us the the real problem, how can we objectively measure how good the education is in a way that will not be vulnerable to juking the stats
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Indeed, and I'm not sure how to answer that.
 
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Gipper said:
Louis C.K. loves fat chicks. He has no merit.
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Chicks who like Louis C K like fat dudes...so there you go.
 
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rocket88 said:
Chicks who like Louis C K like fat dudes...so there you go.
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Any woman that would be with him is doing charity work.

Fat aside - that dude is ugly as sin.
 
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rocket88 said:
Which nobody has said he wasn't.

What his opinions speak to is the "teaching to the test" that occurs now. These standardized tests are SO important to the school that the teachers have to devote most of their time preparing the kids to take this test. Which is exactly what Liberals were talking about during Bush's "No Child Left Behind" BS. To say that these are "Conservative" ideas is wrong. It's common sense ideas vs. government ideas.
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I don't think we should be teaching to the test, in fact, I don't think teachers ought to have access to the specific tests at all. I wouldn't have a problem if they had access to a couple of thousand potential questions that might be on the test their school gets, but the idea is that their students absorb the curricula, not that they learn to answer specific questions with specific answers. If the tests cover everything the students are supposed to have learned during the year, then maybe the teachers, administration and school board might have to do their jobs and teach what they're supposed to teach.
 
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nota bene said:
Is there justification for referring to Common Core as a progressive indoctrination program?
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IMO, just another sure-to-fail system so the FedGov to come to the rescue with a fully nationalized, across-the-board, program that all schools, public and private, will be mandated to adopt...... like ObamaCare.
 
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Cephus said:
I don't think we should be teaching to the test, in fact, I don't think teachers ought to have access to the specific tests at all. I wouldn't have a problem if they had access to a couple of thousand potential questions that might be on the test their school gets, but the idea is that their students absorb the curricula, not that they learn to answer specific questions with specific answers. If the tests cover everything the students are supposed to have learned during the year, then maybe the teachers, administration and school board might have to do their jobs and teach what they're supposed to teach.
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This is what I was getting at in my previous post. I think some sort of periodic testing is necessary to evaluate whether the student is actually learning the material. Some kids are great at memorization and can ace a test with specific memorized answers. But if you ask the questions in a different way or at a different time, they won't be able to answer it because they have not been educated in the subject. The test should be to evaluate whether the student is reasonably grounded in a subject for his/her age/grade level and not just good at memorizing answers. And all, teachers, parents, and students should know what they will be expected to know to pass a particular course of learning.

But the teachers should not have access to the test. They should know what the kids will be expected to know, but they should not know specific questions that will be asked.
 
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Gipper said:
Any woman that would be with him is doing charity work.

Fat aside - that dude is ugly as sin.
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He was married for a number of years. Thus, he has kids that are in school.

Ugly maybe, but funny.
 
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rocket88 said:
He was married for a number of years. Thus, he has kids that are in school.

Ugly maybe, but funny.
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True. I'm proof that funny can negate ugly to a certain extent with the ladies.
 
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