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Texas high school suspends student — for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegiance

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clownboy said:
The bit about why you chose not to stand is superfluous. The teachers you chose to honor with your mini-teenage protest/fit gave you slack. Perhaps all the rest of the time you weren't an asshat, so they let your teen angst go. This kid may not be the joy to have in the classroom that you were.
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No, you're wrong. I was disliked by most teachers and most students as most severely abused children are since we don't learn proper social values or skills. That said, my not standing was simply considered a reflection of my stubbornness, not a punishable offense.
 
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radcen said:
Only if brain dead blind obedience is your goal.
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Nice appeal, but nope. He cannot be compelled to recite the pledge, but he can be required to stand with the rest of the class. And yes, students are required to follow the teacher's instructions. Teacher says you stand, you stand. Sorry if that trips your fascism meter, but wait, no I'm not.
 
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clownboy said:
Nice appeal, but nope. He cannot be compelled to recite the pledge, but he can be required to stand with the rest of the class. And yes, student are required to follow the teacher's instructions. Teacher says you stand, you stand. Sorry if that trips your fascism meter, but wait, no I'm not.
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I admire your confidence in your wrongness.

See, I can be snarky, too. :roll:
 
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Summerwind said:
No, you're wrong. I was disliked by most teachers and most students as most severely abused children are since we don't learn proper social values or skills. That said, my not standing was simply considered a reflection of my stubbornness, not a punishable offense.
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I doubt your teachers "disliked you". They probably weren't thrilled with your behavior, but may have understood it's source and thus gave you a break. There were most likely a lot of your teachers that gave you breaks that obviously remain invisible to you to this day.
 
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radcen said:
I admire your confidence in your wrongness.

See, I can be snarky, too. :roll:
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We all already knew that later. :mrgreen:

As for your continued grasping at straws to repair your stance on what is a simple disciplinary issue, keep grasping at thin air.
 
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This is going to be a "Slam Dunk" for the ACLU if this does go to court.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Socialists do too. Bellamy was a smart man and a socialist. Personally, I think it would be great if you could say "the socialist had a good idea!"
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That would make you proud? Would you in turn say the Nazis had a few good ideas? Or, would you admit that just because a Socialist, or a Nazi, or a Communist had a good idea, that it doesn't make up for all their bad ideas?
 
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Paxaeon said:
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This is going to be a "Slam Dunk" for the ACLU if this does go to court.
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Yeah, except they won't touch this with your dick. They have limited resources and chose cases that matter.
 
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apdst said:
That would make you proud? Would you in turn say the Nazis had a few good ideas? Or, would you admit that just because a Socialist, or a Nazi, or a Communist had a good idea, that it doesn't make up for all their bad ideas?
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I've noticed that some conservatives are so afraid of socialism, they would rather turn down an idea just because it had originated from the mind of a socialist.
 
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Fiddytree said:
I've noticed that some conservatives are so afraid of socialism, they would rather turn down an idea just because it had originated from the mind of a socialist.
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The Nazis made the trains run on time, developed rocket and jet technology and nearly eradicated unemployment. Does that make National Socialism a good thing?
 
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apdst said:
The Nazis made the trains run on time, developed rocket and jet technology and nearly eradicated unemployment. Does that make National Socialism a good thing?
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I'll take hyperbole for 1000 Alex...
 
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shrubnose said:
Basically what the school is saying is that the students are free except when the school says that they are not free.

I don't believe that that will fly in court.
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Sorry to say that as corrupt as the courts are today, that MAY fly in court. :(
 
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Jetboogieman said:
I'll take hyperbole for 1000 Alex...
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I'll take racist, murdering, Communist pieces of crap for two-bits, Alex...
 
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The pledge is silly and it is especially ridiculous to force kids into reciting it before they even understand many of the words contained within it. What is accomplished by forcing an unwilling person to recite a pledge?
 
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Henry David said:
Sorry to say that as corrupt as the courts are today, that MAY fly in court. :(
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Thats exactly what the court decided in the American flag t-shirt case.
 
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Crovax said:
Considering the pledge has to do with the country and not the govt, he doesn't seem to know what he is talking about
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and to the Republic for which it stands
 
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Henrin said:
...hat are these ideals and why aren't they mentioned in the pledge?
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Liberty and justice for all
 
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apdst said:
The Nazis made the trains run on time, developed rocket and jet technology and nearly eradicated unemployment. Does that make National Socialism a good thing?
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I'm not a socialist, a fellow-traveler, or a national socialist, ap.
 
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tres borrachos said:
So in your opinion, who should the future generations have an allegiance to?...
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All our fellow humans, the earth and all thing living things, and the ideals of liberty and justice for all.
 
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clownboy said:
Yeah, except they won't touch this with your dick. They have limited resources and chose cases that matter.
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Fortunately I don't have a penis.
 
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Fiddytree said:
I'm not a socialist, a fellow-traveler, or a national socialist, ap.
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Nor do I poo-poo ideas, based solely on the politics of the person who came up with them.
 
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clownboy said:
Nonsense, the ruling did not say in any way that he cannot be required to stand with all the other children. Yes, it IS a disciplinary issue. Way too much being read into this.
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It said that they cannot be forced to perform an action that is meant to show allegiance. Standing solely for the purpose of the recitation of the pledge of allegiance would fall under that "action". Unless the school can show that the action, standing, was for something other than recitation of the pledge, then they are in the wrong here.
 
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clownboy said:
Yeah, except they won't touch this with your dick. They have limited resources and chose cases that matter.
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They've already taken such cases.

https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/aclu-slams-montgomery-county-schools-refusing-discuss-how-stop-pledge-allegiance

Refusal To Stand For Pledge Of Allegiance Leads To Lawsuit « CBS Pittsburgh

The ACLU takes these cases all the time.

As for the argument about this being necessary for some disciplinary purpose, that was covered by the SCOTUS many years ago too (and this is actually why I believe that if that T-shirt case is/was taken further, it would most likely end up with the students winning).

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/texas-high-school-student-suspended-for-refusing-to-stand-during-pledge-of-allegiance/

"In its decision, the Court held that the student’s right to express their political beliefs as protected by the First Amendment outweighed any argument the school could make that its actions were necessary to keep discipline and order in the school:"
 
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Requiring a student to stand during a class lesson is appropriate.

Requiring a student to participate, or even stand quietly, regarding an affirmation of an oath that they may not agree with, is not appropriate. One is neutral, one is not. If one cannot tell the difference, then I have to seriously questions one's judgment and reasoning skills.
 
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