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Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

MaggieD said:
Monica Lewinski was used and abused by the President of the United States. She was barely an adult. He should, for the rest of his sorry life, be embarrassed by his actions. He's a scum bag. So's his wife.
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She was 22-23 years old. That's an adult, and not "just barely." She is NOT a victim here.
 
Kobie said:
It was the woman that was blowing her husband.[/QUOTE



Oih right as if it was the first blow job this sexual deviant ever hooked behind his wife.

It was her husband sticking his dick in her mouth!

I suppose you think rape victims deserve it too and men are innocent in the seduction process, that Bill actual tried to resist, talk ]her out of it.
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USViking said:
Spell it all out for me, OK?

Criticism on what grounds?
Criticism by whom?
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I'm not sure how much more I can spell out.

I don't think it would be the least bit surprising if a significant portion of the 2016 Democrat campaign involves invoking the "Republican War on Women" meme and especially so if Hillary becomes the nominee. As part of that campaign the treatment she tolerated from Bill will be part of the equation. If Lewinsky comes out now as being supportive of Hillary and taking blame upon herself for the situation it will make any Republican comments on the matter seem extremely crass thus "proving" that there is, indeed, a Republican war on women.

Furthermore, by coming out now it will be much more difficult for the Republicans to dismiss any 2016 criticism as simple political gamesmanship. Basically what it's doing, as I said, is spreading all the baggage out now so that it doesn't disrupt anything in 2016.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Oih right as if it was the first blow job this sexual deviant ever hooked behind his wife.

It was her husband sticking his dick in her mouth!

I suppose you think rape victims deserve it too and men are innocent in the seduction process, that Bill actual tried to resist, talk ]her out of it.
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Um, what.

My point was that while Hillary certainly wasn't very happy with Bill, she probably wasn't too thrilled with Monica either.

"Rape victims"? What the actual **** are you talking about? This was 100% consensual between two adults.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Don't you think that if this is what she wanted to do she could have waiting until 6 months into the actual election year? That's when it would have hurt the most....if it would hurt at all. Plus she very well could have lied and said it was rape. That would have hurt the Clinton family a lot more.

You're seeing conspiracies where there are none.
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Good grief:doh

I must be speaking Swahili around here.

My contention is that Lewinsky is HELPING Hillary by getting this stuff into recirculation now so that it isn't circulating in 2016.
 
Lutherf said:
Good grief:doh

I must be speaking Swahili around here.

My contention is that Lewinsky is HELPING Hillary by getting this stuff into recirculation now so that it isn't circulating in 2016.
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Sorry, that is not how your post sounded. Presentation is everything. ;)
 
Lutherf said:
Good grief:doh

I must be speaking Swahili around here.

My contention is that Lewinsky is HELPING Hillary by getting this stuff into recirculation now so that it isn't circulating in 2016.
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Intentionally?
 
If the affair wasn't so public, I would focus a decent amount on the co-culpability of Monica and Bill. The public scrutiny, however, kind of turned the whole thing into a circus and Hillary received way too much criticism.
 
Kobie said:
Um, what.

My point was that while Hillary certainly wasn't very happy with Bill, she probably wasn't too thrilled with Monica either.

"Rape victims"? What the actual **** are you talking about? This was 100% consensual between two adults.
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Yeah, he was guilty of ethical violations with conduct toward an intern, broke his wedding vows (again), and later committed perjury over it. That being said, even through his power relationship, she was an adult and knew the President was married.
 
Lutherf said:
So after 20 years she decides to spill all the secrets? She chooses to do so two years before Hillary hits full blown campaign mode? That's convenient:roll:

If this isn't some kind of deal to dispose of Hillary baggage before the campaign I'll eat my hat.
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LOL! You said "full blown."
 
Fiddytree said:
Yeah, he was guilty of ethical violations with conduct toward an intern, broke his wedding vows (again), and later committed perjury over it.
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Yep, yep and yep.

Fiddytree said:
That being said, even through his power relationship, she was an adult and knew the President was married.
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Precisely.
 
Fiddytree said:
Yeah, he was guilty of ethical violations with conduct toward an intern, broke his wedding vows (again), and later committed perjury over it. That being said, even through his power relationship, she was an adult and knew the President was married.
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I don't think she has zero responsibility. But I do think that typically, a woman that young hasn't had enough life experience to really understand what it was she was getting herself into. At that age people tend to be very "in the moment". I also think that Bill was an old enough man to recognize that reality (about Monica) and it seems likely that he targeted her because of her vulnerability. Which makes him a bad husband but not necessarily a bad President. It makes Monica a victim of her lack of life experience (which is pretty normal for that age). Hillary was probably mad as hell and behaved according, which was warranted and pretty understandable. It's a shame that their little drama became headline news and grew into something much more than it actually was at the heart of the matter.
 
Top Cat said:
Monica herself suggested that it was consensual. Yes Bill abused his power. At the end of the day, it impacted his ability to do his job? Well yes, because of the witch hunt that followed.

I have never understood why those on the right wing didn't go after Clinton for a National Security breach. He put himself in a position to be bribed. Instead the religious nut jobs tried to prosecute a blow job.

Now cue up the...but, but, but he lied nonsense.
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I disagree that Clinton in any way abused his power or that he in any way abused Lewinski, who according to the version I heard pretty well threw herself at him. The poor little innocent thang! Hillary was the one who was abused, and of course Chelsea Clinton must have had an awful time.
 
Kobie said:
She was 22-23 years old. That's an adult, and not "just barely." She is NOT a victim here.
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You're right, I was wrong. She was 22. Still a victim. It's called sexual harassment.
 
opendebate said:
I don't think she has zero responsibility. But I do think that typically, a woman that young hasn't had enough life experience to really understand what it was she was getting herself into. At that age people tend to be very "in the moment". I also think that Bill was an old enough man to recognize that reality (about Monica) and it seems likely that he targeted her because of her vulnerability. Which makes him a bad husband but not necessarily a bad President. It makes Monica a victim of her lack of life experience (which is pretty normal for that age). Hillary was probably mad as hell and behaved according, which was warranted and pretty understandable. It's a shame that their little drama became headline news and grew into something much more than it actually was at the heart of the matter.
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To some extent, but I think we are really lowering the standards for an adult woman (in a government internship, no less) to know what is appropriate social and sexual behavior. What complicated and imbalanced the situation, however, was the power relationship that Bill had benefited from.
 
Lutherf said:
Good grief:doh

I must be speaking Swahili around here.

My contention is that Lewinsky is HELPING Hillary by getting this stuff into recirculation now so that it isn't circulating in 2016.
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You may be correct, but the question is "why now" after all this time? If her conscience, or her actions, didn't bother her 10 years ago, for instance, why are they kicking in now? It does look suspicious no matter what side you are on - either she is looking to get revenge for years of being the scapegoat or she has been bribed or threatened recently or she is a drama queen looking for publicity for some reason. The third choice isn't all that compelling, but I guess it is a possibility. Plus she wasn't the one who lied under oath! On the contrary, she seemed pretty candid and forthright about it at the time!

Greetings, Lutherf. :2wave:
 
MaggieD said:
You're right, I was wrong. She was 22. Still a victim. It's called sexual harassment.
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You are assuming she was sexually harassed and not a willing participant.
 
Fiddytree said:
To some extent, but I think we are really lowering the standards for an adult woman (in a government internship, no less) to know what is appropriate social and sexual behavior. What complicated and imbalanced the situation, however, was the power relationship that Bill had benefited from.
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I think the naivete came into play when she believed that she mattered to him and that somehow her relevance to him altered the situation ethically and would protect her from judgment. If you have ever had a man tell you he loves you so that he can f u. Then you know what I mean. It takes a little life experience that men sometimes throw that word around a little more easily than woman do. Especially young women.
 
Lutherf said:
I'm not sure how much more I can spell out.

I don't think it would be the least bit surprising if a significant portion of the 2016 Democrat campaign involves invoking the "Republican War on Women" meme and especially so if Hillary becomes the nominee.
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OK so far.



Lutherf said:
As part of that campaign the treatment she tolerated from Bill will be part of the equation.
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Not OK- I do not know how to interpret this, really.

But I'll give it a try. Do you mean:

(1) The Democrats will somehow try to use Bill Clinton's 20 year-old infidelity to their advantage on War on Women grounds, or

(2) That Republicans will somehow try to use Bill Clinton's 20-year old infidelity to deflect WoW allegations?

Both (1) and (2) are completely bizarre. There is no political capital available for either side, and on top of that Hillary must surely have the strongest conceivable personal reasons to keep her husband's affair a thing of the past, as it is and as it should remain.



Lutherf said:
If Lewinsky comes out now as being supportive of Hillary and taking blame upon herself for the situation it will make any Republican comments on the matter seem extremely crass thus "proving" that there is, indeed, a Republican war on women.
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The Republicans have no legitimate political point to make against Hillary as a result of anything her husband and Lewinski did, regardless of Lewinski's ridiculous 20-years too late apology, if that's what it was.



Lutherf said:
Furthermore, by coming out now it will be much more difficult for the Republicans to dismiss any 2016 criticism as simple political gamesmanship. Basically what it's doing, as I said, is spreading all the baggage out now so that it doesn't disrupt anything in 2016.
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There is no baggage to spread on this non-issue.
 
MaggieD said:
You're right, I was wrong. She was 22. Still a victim. It's called sexual harassment.
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If her continued sexual gratification of President Clinton became a condition of her employment, then it would definitely be sexual harassment. There's no indication that it ever was anything other than consensual, however.
 
Kobie said:
If her continued sexual gratification of President Clinton became a condition of her employment, then it would definitely be sexual harassment. There's no indication that it ever was anything other than consensual, however.
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You are exactly right.
 
TheNextEra said:
You are assuming she was sexually harassed and not a willing participant.
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Sexual harassment is probably wrong. She was a flirtatious young woman who was, in my opinion, taken advantage of by a dog in heat. The most powerful man in the free world, and he can't even pick a closer-to-equal woman to get his BJs from? Really. It's disgusting in my view.
 
MaggieD said:
Sexual harassment is probably wrong. She was a flirtatious young woman who was, in my opinion, taken advantage of by a dog in heat. The most powerful man in the free world, and he can't even pick a closer-to-equal woman to get his BJs from? Really. It's disgusting in my view.
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Sorry but I have seen women much younger that were predators to men in power. She is no different in my opinion. Some women are drawn to men of power and are just as much (if not more in some cases) the predator.

There's a reason some women are called "gold diggers" and it isn't cause they watch Gold Rush.
 
Lutherf said:
So after 20 years she decides to spill all the secrets?
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What secrets? She finally admitted what everyone already knew....the affair was consensual.

She chooses to do so two years before Hillary hits full blown campaign mode? That's convenient:roll:
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With politicians in constant campaign mode....when is a good time to spill the beans?

If this isn't some kind of deal to dispose of Hillary baggage before the campaign I'll eat my hat.
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Straw or felt?

Perhaps with all the media attention on e-bullying and her experience of being e-bullied it is possible Lewinski just wants to help others. It's sad that someone's entire life is defined by one careless, youthful, indiscretion.
 
It makes me happy to see Cons like USViking come out swinging for Bill Clinton and Libbos like Kobie. All in defense of such a despicable act, they wouldn't let their daughters participate in. MaggieD is agreeing with both sides, as per usual. This is progress.

Obama, Change we can believe in.
 
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