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Monica Lewinsky Breaks her Silence

nota bene said:
As I've said previously, I've no doubt that the Clintons have long had an "understanding," one that generally has worked very well for them.

But I lost all respect for Hillary because of the way she handled the Lewinsky affair. Whatever their "arrangement," she should have kicked him to the curb for that.
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I agree, in my opinion she should have done it for her child, who should be more important than anything. When children start to get hurt by their parents decisions and arrangements, that's when it needs to stop.
 
americanwoman said:
I agree, in my opinion she should have done it for her child, who should be more important than anything. When children start to get hurt by their parents decisions and arrangements, that's when it needs to stop.
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I of course don't know, because I was never in the Clinton bedroom while she was beating his ass over this, but I actually think the reason she stayed with him was because of the child. Not tossing Chelsea's father out and making the very public spectacle even more of a spectacle was probably very hard to do at the time, but she no doubt had an interest in protecting Chelsea from further pain.
 
I watched that dopey show "Sister Wives" a few times. Not in a million years would you catch me in a polygamist marriage, but it made me realize just how differently people view marriage. For those 4 women, it works to have their husbands sleeping with/having children with 3 other women. I don't get it, but I respect it (which is why I think polygamist marriage should be legal for the non-Warren Jeffs types who marry 12 year olds). I feel that way about how Hillary handled it internally when it came to Bill. Marriage is different for everyone.

That said, I suspect she probably kicked him in the balls more than once. I would have, and it would make me feel better.
 
tres borrachos said:
I of course don't know, because I was never in the Clinton bedroom while she was beating his ass over this, but I actually think the reason she stayed with him was because of the child. Not tossing Chelsea's father out and making the very public spectacle even more of a spectacle was probably very hard to do at the time, but she no doubt had an interest in protecting Chelsea from further pain.
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Good point.
 
Medusa said:
monica wasnt a 7 years old child .l dont think clinton forced her to do something she doesnt want to do .

it is not more serious problem than wars l think
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My problem with the issue wasn't so much "office romance" or "workplace sexual harassment." My concern was Lewinsky's age at the time. Society has numbers we've agreed on that supposedly assign "old enough" maturity on people. However, in practical terms everyone matures at a different level. Lewinski was closer to "wasn't prom cool" than being a fully mature woman. At best she was barely an adult, somebody's little girl and Clinton was old enough to be her dad.
 
year2late said:
I never blamed her for sticking with Bill.

Her life her choice.
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Cheating spouses and those who knowingly sleep with other peoples spouses are both asshole jerks, There is no moral high ground.
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Bill and Hillary's marriage has for quite some time amounted to nothing more then a business arrangement. She was important to him while he was in the oval office (insert first lady here) and she would not have a political career without him. As soon as those two are completely done with politics they will split faster then a blue stained dress in a landromat.
 
Grant said:
Hillary would not have a political career if it wasn't for Bill Clinton. She would not have profited if she walked out on Bill Clinton when his escapades, and perjury, became public. She swallowed, and continued on with her career.
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Yes because wives never ever stay in a relationship where a husbands cheat.

Happens all the time. Let's not forget, she also had another very good reason not to leave. Her daughter.
 
Staying together for the sake of the child doesn't really work here: The child is grown, married, and expecting a baby of her own.
 
Smeagol said:
My problem with the issue wasn't so much "office romance" or "workplace sexual harassment." My concern was Lewinsky's age at the time. Society has numbers we've agreed on that supposedly assign "old enough" maturity on people. However, in practical terms everyone matures at a different level. Lewinski was closer to "wasn't prom cool" than being a fully mature woman. At best she was barely an adult, somebody's little girl and Clinton was old enough to be her dad.
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This point has been made by several others and it is a valid one to a thinking mind. My real concern in all of this is the double standards in which women are treated in a sex scandal. And in this one in particular, it happen to involve the president but not just any president but one that was very popular with women, especially feminists who supposedly believe in real and fair equality for women yet most of these feminist elites in journalism who were supporters of Clinton made no bones in protecting him and branding Lewinksy the trashy slut. The elite circle of feminist women like Maureen Dowd, who got her Pulitzer for trashing Monica, Gloria Steinem, Ruth Marcus, Andrea Peyser were just a few who wrote relentlessly about Monica kicking her in the teeth every chance they could get. And it continues today if you caught some of their articles in response to Lewinsky's piece in Vanity Fair. But then again 17 years later their favorite candidate for president is Hillary Clinton who blames the women including herself for Bill's bad behavior. What is wrong with this picture? The only viable conclusion is left leaning feminists are hypocrites.
 
vesper said:
Back up the truck NoC_T.

That isn't the end of the story.

The abuse Lewinsky endured came after the affair when the powerful did everything they could to trash the woman and every other woman Bill Clinton has screwed. Clinton isn't just a douchebag, he is a sexual predator. And all the women that were misfortunate enough to get involved with him paid a huge price and none more than Lewinsky. While the powerful chewed them up and spit them out, Clinton goes on to make millions off his book, speaking engagements and living the good life. And the women the Clintonites were so willing to destroy painting them out to be bimbos, stalkers, sluts, trailer trash etc. assigned them to a life of humiliation while ole Billy boy is awarded by being the superstar speaker at the last Democrat Convention.
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Unless you have evidence of rape, there's no grounds for any interpretation of his actions as being predatory. Either these women consented or they didn't. If they did, they're equally complicit, abuse of privilege notwithstanding. You're attempting to make the same argument that failed the Nazis at Nuremberg.

Lewinsky was no babe in the woods. She was a grown woman. While I'm fully aware that society has seen fit to grant women impunity, her moral standing is deservedly no less suspect than Clinton's.

So yeah. End of story.
 
NoC_T said:
Unless you have evidence of rape, there's no grounds for any interpretation of his actions as being predatory. Either these women consented or they didn't. If they did, they're equally complicit, abuse of privilege notwithstanding. You're attempting to make the same argument that failed the Nazis at Nuremberg.

Lewinsky was no babe in the woods. She was a grown woman. While I'm fully aware that society has seen fit to grant women impunity, her moral standing is deservedly no less suspect than Clinton's.

So yeah. End of story.
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Slick Willy's behavior in regards to Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broderick is certainly predatory.
 
NoC_T said:
Unless you have evidence of rape, there's no grounds for any interpretation of his actions as being predatory. Either these women consented or they didn't. If they did, they're equally complicit, abuse of privilege notwithstanding. You're attempting to make the same argument that failed the Nazis at Nuremberg.

Lewinsky was no babe in the woods. She was a grown woman. While I'm fully aware that society has seen fit to grant women impunity, her moral standing is deservedly no less suspect than Clinton's.

So yeah. End of story.
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The term sexual predator is used pejoratively to describe a person seen as obtaining or trying to obtain sexual contact with another person in a metaphorically "predatory" manner. Analogous to how a predator hunts down its prey, so the sexual predator is thought to "hunt" for his or her sex partners. Clinton has quite a few trophies for his hunting expeditions.
 
vesper said:
The term sexual predator is used pejoratively to describe a person seen as obtaining or trying to obtain sexual contact with another person in a metaphorically "predatory" manner. Analogous to how a predator hunts down its prey, so the sexual predator is thought to "hunt" for his or her sex partners. Clinton has quite a few trophies for his hunting expeditions.
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Oh, metaphorically speaking. I see.

When the metaphorical becomes literal, you may have a point. Short of that, you might not do so well in court.
 
FederalRepublic said:
Well, she was an unpaid intern when she said her relationship with Bill started. The next month she had a paid position. A few months later, she got moved out of the white house. None of that is proof of sexual harassment, but it could certainly be an indication.
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Prior to Bill's involvement with ML sexual harassment in the workplace was as hot an issue as Benghazi is today. The head of GE lost, so did Bob Packwood and many others. There was a firestorm over the Clarence Thomas nomination over the whiff of harassment, and hearings were held for several days in a "public lynching". However when it happened to to Bill Clinton even NOW, and all self proclaimed left wing women's rights groups, instantly changed their tune to 'it's just sex' and they are both consenting adults.

Leftists have used women for political gain in the same way they have used Blacks.
 
vesper said:
The term sexual predator is used pejoratively to describe a person seen as obtaining or trying to obtain sexual contact with another person in a metaphorically "predatory" manner. Analogous to how a predator hunts down its prey, so the sexual predator is thought to "hunt" for his or her sex partners. Clinton has quite a few trophies for his hunting expeditions.
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Referring here to "Troopergate," Clinton didn't even have to hunt; he just waited in the blind for other hunters/procurers to bring him "trophies."
 
NoC_T said:
Oh, metaphorically speaking. I see.

When the metaphorical becomes literal, you may have a point. Short of that, you might not do so well in court.
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Clinton was impeached for lying to the prosecutor not for his sexual misconduct. But in the court of public opinion, he was deemed a predator by many.
 
vesper said:
Clinton was impeached for lying to the prosecutor not for his sexual misconduct. But in the court of public opinion, he was deemed a predator by many.
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The lion's share of peanuts flung from the feminazi gallery, I have no doubt of it.
 
Smeagol said:
My problem with the issue wasn't so much "office romance" or "workplace sexual harassment." My concern was Lewinsky's age at the time. Society has numbers we've agreed on that supposedly assign "old enough" maturity on people. However, in practical terms everyone matures at a different level. Lewinski was closer to "wasn't prom cool" than being a fully mature woman. At best she was barely an adult, somebody's little girl and Clinton was old enough to be her dad.
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okay monica was so innocent....

she is 20 ,she knows how to please a guy orally,she looks older than she is.however she is a little girl.

interesting
 
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vesper said:
Clinton was impeached for lying to the prosecutor not for his sexual misconduct. But in the court of public opinion, he was deemed a predator by many.
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That's right, and the argument was that it was 'all about sex', an argument not used in other cases of workplace sexual harassment between powerful men and less powerful women. In fact Americans were portrayed as 'prudes' in the media for not looking the other way from their Presidents behavior.

I know of no other President who would have allowed this to occur with WH employees. Even Barrack Obama, who I believe is the worst President of the last century, would not disgrace himself or the office of President in this way.
 
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