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Schools seek changes to healthier lunch rules

HenryChinaski said:
Then, here's what you do. Go stock your freezer full of frozen Hungry Man Salisbury steak and fried chicken meals. And several cases of Bubba burgers and a ton of those Ice cream Sandwiches. Chow down on all of that for a month or two then go pay a visit to your cardiologist. Excessive salt and sugar wears down the human body over a period of time. They can and will **** you up eventually.
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And getting too little of them will kill you just as quickly, perhaps faster.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Then, here's what you do. Go stock your freezer full of frozen Hungry Man Salisbury steak and fried chicken meals. And several cases of Bubba burgers and a ton of those Ice cream Sandwiches. Chow down on all of that for a month or two then go pay a visit to your cardiologist. Excessive salt and sugar wears down the human body over a period of time. They can and will **** you up eventually.
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Since I cook almost all my own food from scratch that's not likely to happen.

I season everything I cook with salt - which most good cooks will tell you is a necessity. My resting BP, which I monitor pretty closely btw, averages 111/74.
 
Gaius46 said:
A couple of years ago Scientific American did an article on salt that basically concluded that the risks associated with salt are overstated for most people. I don't remember the details but they went along the lines that salt did increase blood pressure but the effects were temporary in most people.
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And exercise also increases you blood pressure temporarily. That is not bad for your health. Chronic hypertension is bad for your health. And that is not caused by too much dietary salt.

Gaius46 said:
There was also something on the news recently about animal fat not being nearly as bad for you as most people assume. Personally I'm not buying that one yet.
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Actually, animal fat is chock full of nutrients and has been shown to improve your lipid profile.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Then, here's what you do. Go stock your freezer full of frozen Hungry Man Salisbury steak and fried chicken meals. And several cases of Bubba burgers and a ton of those Ice cream Sandwiches. Chow down on all of that for a month or two then go pay a visit to your cardiologist. Excessive salt and sugar wears down the human body over a period of time. They can and will **** you up eventually.
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The fact that long-term over-consumption of salt, fat and sugar can be unhealthy doesn't mean that the risks are not overstated by many people.
 
Gaius46 said:
Fair nuff. Haven't been following this thread that closely.
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Basically, from what I've seen, Muhammed likes to throw out simplistic, unqualified statements about nutrition like "Fat is healthy" or "Salt doesn't cause any health problems". I don't know if he knows better and is just being trollish, or if he actually believes these things. I suspect the former because he does know a lot about nutrition.
 
clownboy said:
First, I don't believe that stat for one minute. Second, even IF true, not a national security issue.



Post where I denied I said that. Lying about what I posted - unsurprising. You twist and turn about so much when you lose the argument you forget your way back to what was said.



No, there is not.



Public schools are an entity of state and local government. They are NOT part of the federal grant of powers. Even so, the responsibility and grant of power the state and local have here is to EDUCATE. We're talking about school lunches here.

You nanny needing types seem to have the same disability to recognize the difference between state, local and federal government. And to burst your little feel good bubble some more - I don't hate government, federal, state or local. They all have their purposes. Telling us how to eat is not one of them.
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This is just more of your ducking and dodging. You've merely added a new step by acting as if you have been making a distinction between the federal govt and state and local govts all along
 
Gaius46 said:
Since I cook almost all my own food from scratch that's not likely to happen.

I season everything I cook with salt - which most good cooks will tell you is a necessity. My resting BP, which I monitor pretty closely btw, averages 111/74.
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So do I. There is a big difference between seasoning your food and adding the excessive amount of sodium to a home cooked meal that is in a frozen dinner.
 
HenryChinaski said:
So do I. There is a big difference between seasoning your food and adding the excessive amount of sodium to a home cooked meal that is in a frozen dinner.
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Frozen dinners and similarly over-processed foods require excessive amounts of fats, sugars and salt in order to make them palatable by covering up the "off" flavors of the chemicals used in them.

I would not be surprised if someone now takes issue with the term "over-processed" (by arguing that many healthy foods are "processed" and the word "over" is not clearly defined)
 
Obviously, the answer is to outlaw possession of food items and only allow people to get food at government run cafeterias. We all know people can't be trusted to make the right decisions, only bureaucrats can.
 
Moon said:
Obviously, the answer is to outlaw possession of food items and only allow people to get food at government run cafeterias. We all know people can't be trusted to make the right decisions, only bureaucrats can.
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Even better - if we spend all our time making up absurd straw men, no one will have time to eat anything, good or bad

Problem solved!
 
sangha said:
Even better - if we spend all our time making up absurd straw men, no one will have time to eat anything, good or bad

Problem solved!
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So you haven't been arguing that a government solution is preferable? All I'm doing is taking your argument to its logical endpoint. How else can you control all of the issues you and others have raised?
 
This thread makes me think just how crappy my school lunches were. Government cheese and miracle whip sandwiches, peanut butter that smelled like deck stain. pseudo-soy burgers. Ugh.
 
ocean515 said:
The problem with the emotionalism that cloaks ProgLibs in ignorance, is that you're focused on creating more irresponsible parents, when the need is to reduce the pool of them. Stop it, or the majority will most certainly do so without you.
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The problem is the emotionalism CONs use in their CON games. Who is creating more irresponsible parents???? They work, they send their kids to school. These are cops and clerks... you focus on a tiny percentage who don't work and call them the total.... that is the ignorant part. :doh

parents leaving the small rural towns at Oh dark 30 to hold a job, cops who don't make big bucks- however CONs only see the strawman they wish to fight. :roll:
 
sangha said:
I'm not in favor of describing what you did as "logical"

Or honest
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Yeah, I've seen that strategy here a lot, but to your credit, you haven't called me a racist. Yet.

So you want some government control in the dietary decisions people make because of obesity, etc. Where do you draw the line? At what point can people be trusted to decide these things for themselves? The argument has been made that this is a national security issue so wouldn't that justify a high amount of government involvement?
 
Moon said:
Yeah, I've seen that strategy here a lot, but to your credit, you haven't called me a racist. Yet.

So you want some government control in the dietary decisions people make because of obesity, etc. Where do you draw the line? At what point can people be trusted to decide these things for themselves? The argument has been made that this is a national security issue so wouldn't that justify a high amount of government involvement?
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Where do I draw the line?

For example, just because I support medical care for health conditions, that doesn't mean i think everyone with a headache should have surgery.
 
sangha said:
Where do I draw the line?

For example, just because I support medical care for health conditions, that doesn't mean i think everyone with a headache should have surgery.
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But that doesn't answer the question.
 
Moon said:
But that doesn't answer the question.
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Yes it did. It's just that a silly question deserves an equally silly answer.

But if you'd like a serious answer, here it is - google "strict scrutiny"

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sangha said:
Yes it did. It's just that a silly question deserves an equally silly answer.

But if you'd like a serious answer, here it is - google "strict scrutiny"

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Asking you where you draw the line with government intervention in people's dietary decisions is not a silly question. It's determining your boundaries about where people can be trusted in your view. So far all you've done is dodge and deflect. Really makes me wonder if my post about government cafeterias is closer than you're comfortable admitting.
 
notquiteright said:
The problem is the emotionalism CONs use in their CON games. Who is creating more irresponsible parents???? They work, they send their kids to school. These are cops and clerks... you focus on a tiny percentage who don't work and call them the total.... that is the ignorant part. :doh

parents leaving the small rural towns at Oh dark 30 to hold a job, cops who don't make big bucks- however CONs only see the strawman they wish to fight. :roll:
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Once again you've established the pathetic fact.

You focus on what you admit is a tiny percentage and create a government program around it, while suggesting cops and clerks are unwilling to feed their children. What a joke!!

Again, should the shroud ever come off the ProgLib ideology, reducing the number of irresponsible parents will be understood to be a good thing, rather than allowing more of them to escape the responsibility of their own actions.

Remove the shroud, or watch as the majority exclude Progs from the opportunity to participate in such positive actions.
 
Moon said:
Asking you where you draw the line with government intervention in people's dietary decisions is not a silly question.
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Since I've said nothing about govt intervening in people's dietary decisions, it's not only a silly question, it's a dishonest one

Moon said:
So you want some government control in the dietary decisions people make because of obesity, etc.
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I said nothing about the govt controlling anyone's dietary decisions. Please stop being so dishonest
 
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