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Schools seek changes to healthier lunch rules

clownboy said:
That's nice, so you agree with me then. I said "I have no problem with local and state government promoting good nutrition, advertising it. But mandating it? No."

However, I am not exactly comfortable with government as a teacher. I don't look to my government to teach me to "be better". Maybe you do.
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You're hopeless. You're a one trick pony discussion participant and that one trick you have is to say "duh govenermehnt" every time.

Boooring.
 
American said:
I heard some mom got life in prison for sending in a sack lunch that didn't meet federal standards.
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Not life, but............

School takes child’s sack lunch saying it was unhealthy | KRQE News 13 Blog Albuquerque, NM

A North Carolina school is under fire after a state health inspector allegedly made a child eat a school lunch of chicken nuggets instead of her sack lunch because hers didn’t meet state health guidelines.

The girls grandmother says the sack lunch consisted of a turkey and cheese sandwich on white bread, potato chips, a banana and apple juice.

A school spokesperson says while the lunch was healthy, it was missing milk, a key part of what is considered to be a healthy meal. The spokesperson went on to say that the inspector should have simply offered the child milk instead of a replacement meal, but says its part of policy to make sure children have healthy food options.
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Rainman05 said:
You're hopeless. You're a one trick pony discussion participant and that one trick you have is to say "duh govenermehnt" every time.

Boooring.
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Doesn't cast your general reading skills in a very good light if you think that after having read my posts. :mrgreen:

But considering it is government we're talking about here, mention of the government is hardly out of place.
 
clownboy said:
Doesn't cast your general reading skills in a very good light if you think that after having read my posts. :mrgreen:

But considering it is government we're talking about here, mention of the government is hardly out of place.
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duh guvhermenht is eout tuh geht mih.
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The future of the country and the defense of the country are both issues that concern, or should concern, a responsible government administration. The fact that you so naively and wrongfully attack any initiative to make that future better and to prevent a scenario where the national security is crippled shows just how much you're disconnected with the workings of day to day administration and governmental work or the purpose.

The reality is that the individual is not always right and the citizenry, in america, is mostly comprised of idiots. 1/5th can't show where the USA is on the world map even though most world maps on display in the public eye cut asia in half just so the USA can be straight in the middle. A lot think creationism is real. A lot can't name the 3 branches of government. And this isn't just about one party or another, it's endemic.

And a whole lot of people don't understand what a government does. If it is 2 things the Obama administration did right is tackle obesity and promote green energy. That's the 2 things that it did right. Everything else is questionable and under scrutiny, the jury is still out...

Your comments display just how divorced you are from reality and those who are like-minded are also severely divorced from it as well. You say that you'll deal with obesity in 20 years but there is no indication that anything is going to chance. In 20 years, the problem will be worse because trends don't just shift without something happening. And republicans, especially this new idiotic wing of the republican party who is so anti government it's bordering mental retardation, is crippling the USA. I get that people want less spending but you don't get that by doing government shutdowns or wasting time trying to repeal 50 times a law that has passed and that you'll never manage to repeal. It's endemic in the political and social structure and there is no remedy except for some really tough love. And it will take either the government, a strong one which this one isn't, but a strong government with the political will to carry it through.... or a very dedicated and powerful group civic-minded people who care about society... or divine intervention. And since God, despite all the praising, isn't gonna come down from the Heavens and guide america forward and there is no such group in existence... then it'll have to be a strong political will to change the course.

This isn't to say the USA is the only country in the world which has problems. But it sure as **** is the only country in the world who still fingers itself thinking it's the best darn country ever and has no real problems it can't deal with and where the citizenry is so unstable and partisan and uninspired that they're happily digging themselves deeper. No other country has so much self-masturbatory juice running through its veines.
 
MaggieD said:
I think she should look at her recipe. If kids are rejecting whole wheat pasta, then they're probably not hungry or have other choices they like better. It isn't rocket science. And it certainly doesn't hurt today's kids to skip a meal.
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Yes, skipping meals actually does hurt kids. They are not eating the whole wheat pasta because it tastes like crap, not because they are not hungry. And there is no proof that serving kids whole wheat pasta instead of white pasta is any healthier for them. If fact, the opposite appears to be the case. If the kids reject it then it is obviously much less healthy for them.

White pasta has a lot more nutrition than nothing.
 
Muhammed said:
Yes, skipping meals actually does hurt kids. They are not eating the whole wheat pasta because it tastes like crap. And there is no proof that serving kids whole wheat pasta instead of white pasta is any healthier for them. If fact, the opposite appears to be the case. If the kids reject it then it is obviously much less healthy for them.

White pasta has a lot more nutrition than nothing.
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Kids reject brocoli but it's still good for them.

The Nutrition of Whole Wheat Pasta / Nutrition / Healthy Eating

It's objectively good for people, kids and adults alike. So stop the BS.
 
Rainman05 said:
duh guvhermenht is eout tuh geht mih.
...

The future of the country and the defense of the country are both issues that concern, or should concern, a responsible government administration. The fact that you so naively and wrongfully attack any initiative to make that future better and to prevent a scenario where the national security is crippled shows just how much you're disconnected with the workings of day to day administration and governmental work or the purpose.

The reality is that the individual is not always right and the citizenry, in america, is mostly comprised of idiots. 1/5th can't show where the USA is on the world map even though most world maps on display in the public eye cut asia in half just so the USA can be straight in the middle. A lot think creationism is real. A lot can't name the 3 branches of government. And this isn't just about one party or another, it's endemic.

And a whole lot of people don't understand what a government does. If it is 2 things the Obama administration did right is tackle obesity and promote green energy. That's the 2 things that it did right. Everything else is questionable and under scrutiny, the jury is still out...

Your comments display just how divorced you are from reality and those who are like-minded are also severely divorced from it as well. You say that you'll deal with obesity in 20 years but there is no indication that anything is going to chance. In 20 years, the problem will be worse because trends don't just shift without something happening. And republicans, especially this new idiotic wing of the republican party who is so anti government it's bordering mental retardation, is crippling the USA. I get that people want less spending but you don't get that by doing government shutdowns or wasting time trying to repeal 50 times a law that has passed and that you'll never manage to repeal. It's endemic in the political and social structure and there is no remedy except for some really tough love. And it will take either the government, a strong one which this one isn't, but a strong government with the political will to carry it through.... or a very dedicated and powerful group civic-minded people who care about society... or divine intervention. And since God, despite all the praising, isn't gonna come down from the Heavens and guide america forward and there is no such group in existence... then it'll have to be a strong political will to change the course.

This isn't to say the USA is the only country in the world which has problems. But it sure as **** is the only country in the world who still fingers itself thinking it's the best darn country ever and has no real problems it can't deal with and where the citizenry is so unstable and partisan and uninspired that they're happily digging themselves deeper. No other country has so much self-masturbatory juice running through its veines.
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Wow, you've lost the thread so thoroughly you've taken to arguing with yourself. Arguing both point and counterpoint - talk about "self-masturbatory" behavior.

I made NONE of the arguments you've baked up to respond to with such passion. Nowhere did I say I'd wait 20 years to deal with obesity. And the specious nonsense about it harming national security is just that - specious nonsense.

You've made it obvious you don't believe your fellow citizenry can live without the federal government telling them how. Thank goodness you're still in the wrong country if you want that view to be honored.
 
Winchester said:
You think I'm a Con cause I used the word beggars? Have you never heard the phrase "beggars can't be choosers"? Try this one, "never look a gift horse in the mouth".
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I KNOW you're a CON because you apply Beggar to many hard working Americans- everyone from cops to clerks. no one is begging- try and get that through your CON head.

You're also confused on who is working to create healthier meals... this isn't the parents but the 'gubmint', the parents are not looking a gift horse anywhere... the mean ol gubmint is looking to use better horses... :)

Now one quoteIi bet you don't know... ends with 'and remove all doubt'... :peace
 
Muhammed said:
BS!

If they do not eat it (reject it) they get zero nutrition from it. That concept shouldn't be too hard to comprehend.
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With the right education and incentives, we can make everyone live the good way. See your local goverment life councilor for more information.
 
notquiteright said:
I KNOW you're a CON because you apply Beggar to many hard working Americans- everyone from cops to clerks. no one is begging- try and get that through your CON head.

You're also confused on who is working to create healthier meals... this isn't the parents but the 'gubmint', the parents are not looking a gift horse anywhere... the mean ol gubmint is looking to use better horses... :)

Now one quoteIi bet you don't know... ends with 'and remove all doubt'... :peace
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:lol: okay... whatever you say.
 
Muhammed said:
BS!

If they do not eat it (reject it) they get zero nutrition from it. That concept shouldn't be too hard to comprehend.
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Yeah. I guess they should continue to eat french fries and hamburgers. That worked wonders thus far for the health of the kids. That's why there are 2-5 years old who are obese. 12%. Look at the post I made a few pages back.
 
Muhammed said:
Yes, skipping meals actually does hurt kids. They are not eating the whole wheat pasta because it tastes like crap, not because they are not hungry. And there is no proof that serving kids whole wheat pasta instead of white pasta is any healthier for them. If fact, the opposite appears to be the case. If the kids reject it then it is obviously much less healthy for them. White pasta has a lot more nutrition than nothing.
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Actually whole wheat pasta tastes about the same, especially under sauce. What can throw kids is the color and if not prepared by educated cooks- the texture.

fault most likely lays with poor preparation and a crappy sauce...
 
clownboy said:
You blind yourself to the wiggle words because it suits your argument. COULD BECOME is not will become. And all this is in the rank opinion of ONE general. I know two former generals, both have opinions and ideas that would make you say, "wtf?".
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Speaking of "wiggle", you're wiggling from one argument to another. You can't seem to settle on "it's not a government issue" or "it's not true" or "we have to wait until it becomes a problem". Whenever I question one, you wiggle to the other.

Anything that effects our national security is a government issue

We don't have to wait until it harms our national security before taking action

clownboy said:
However, I am not exactly comfortable with government as a teacher. I don't look to my government to teach me to "be better". Maybe you do.
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Yeah, the last thing our schools should be doing is teaching things to kids.
 
clownboy said:
Wow, you've lost the thread so thoroughly you've taken to arguing with yourself. Arguing both point and counterpoint - talk about "self-masturbatory" behavior.

I made NONE of the arguments you've baked up to respond to with such passion. Nowhere did I say I'd wait 20 years to deal with obesity. And the specious nonsense about it harming national security is just that - specious nonsense.

You've made it obvious you don't believe your fellow citizenry can live without the federal government telling them how. Thank goodness you're still in the wrong country if you want that view to be honored.
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I've not lost anything. It all ties in to that same mentality. It's the same stupid ideology that reflects a complete misunderstanding of the world around them.

I don't know why I bother to talk to the likes of you. You're all clearly inept for such discussions. You deny the facts that don't favor you and twist the reality of the circumstances to favor you in a pitiful sort of way. You deny the problem of obesity, you don't understand the role of government and it's clear you're not fit for such a discussion. If you want to know where to begin to expand your horizons, start with a reading De Re Publica by Cicero. It's the foundation for the republic and the role of the citizenry and the relation between the people and those who they entrust to govern on their behalf. Once you're done with that, you can move on to Voltaire and read what he had to say about the notion of government and the republic. It may serve you well to understand what a "government" actually is because the way you talk about it, and how others like you talk about it, it's clear that you have no clue.
 
ocean515 said:
So the answer is to reward the parents irresponsibility with a plan that allows them to become even more irresponsible. Where's the learning process here? As it is, schools decided some time ago to provide a lunch to these children, of whom you were one at one point. Then it became breakfast and lunch. Then breakfast, lunch, and an afternoon snack. Then all that and perhaps something to take home for dinner. Here in Los Angeles, for many kids it's all that, plus weekends, year round, and available whether they're a student or not, as long as the kid is under 18. So, where does it stop? Are these parents going to eventually be removed from the equation? Because, it certainly can't be argued they are being made to learn to be more responsible.
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Actually ALL schools learned long ago to provide meals for their students- even private schools. Where CONs get in a tizzy is in public schools low income students get a discount on their meals.

out in thr rural school districts many working parents love the breakfast meal as the parent has to head to the big city very early and a hot meal beats poptarts.

The proper way to look at 'the problem' is not removing parents from some CONvoluted equation, but giving the student as much of a chance to get a good education and be able to get a higher paying job...

Back when there were millions of manufacturing jobs that paid double min wage to start with a high school degree free lunches were not as widespread as now. I know CONs love to glare at the inner city but those qualifying for reduced and free meals are everywhere.

But let's blame the parents...
 
notquiteright said:
While I already know the CON retort to this... many jails serve healthier food than a school lunch room. Getting kids to eat by using salt and fat isn't 'good'.
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There is nothing unhealthy about salt or fat.
 
MrVicchio said:
With the right education and incentives, we can make everyone live the good way. See your local goverment life councilor for more information.
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So suddenly, you're OK with the govt. telling people how to live!!
 
Muhammed said:
There is nothing unhealthy about salt or fat.
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Absolutely essential in fact... but too much isn't so good. Those two plus sugar are added to lots of food to make otherwise ****ty food palatable.
 
Muhammed said:
There is nothing unhealthy about salt or fat.
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depends on the amount and frequency of consumption. read the back of most heat and eat meals. Read the sodium content of cheap chicken nuggets.

Fact is the American diet consumes FAR more of both than we need- throw in sugar and you have the big 3 that cause major health issues later.
 
MaggieD said:
I think she should look at her recipe. If kids are rejecting whole wheat pasta, then they're probably not hungry or have other choices they like better. It isn't rocket science. And it certainly doesn't hurt today's kids to skip a meal.

WWPasta isn't the only healthy option. In fact, there are plenty of lunch options far healthier than pasta, no matter what kind it is.

If we started hiring people trained in the food industry to prepare lunches for our children, we'd be much better off. But putting somebody's gramma in the school kitchen is probably a pretty bad idea.
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If you didn't see it check out last week's episode of Anthony Bourdain's "Part's Unknown" about Lyon France. You've gotta see what those kids get for lunch. I want to be reincarnated at Lyon schoolkid.
 
sangha said:
Healthy vs unhealthy are dependent on the amount consumed
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Generally Americans don't get enough fat in their diets. And you would have to eat an awful lot of salt and very little water for it to be unhealthy. More salt than anyone would care to eat.
 
notquiteright said:
depends on the amount and frequency of consumption. read the back of most heat and eat meals. Read the sodium content of cheap chicken nuggets.

Fact is the American diet consumes FAR more of both than we need- throw in sugar and you have the big 3 that cause major health issues later.
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Fat and salt do not cause health issues.
 
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