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Polls-Americans are sick of the war on terror

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Polls: Americans Are Sick of the War On Terror, War On Drugs

The American people are now overwhelminglyopposed to more war in Ukraine, Syria, Iran and elsewhere.
A new Wall Street Journal/NBC poll shows:
Americans in large numbers want the U.S. to reduce its role in world affairs even as a showdown with Russia over Ukraine preoccupies Washington ….
In a marked change from past decades, nearly half of those surveyed want the U.S. to be less active on the global stage, with fewer than one-fifth calling for more active engagement—an anti-interventionist current that sweeps across party lines.
A Pew poll from December found a majority of Americans – more than ever before in Pew’s 50-year history of polling this question – think the U.S. “should mind its own business internationally and let other countries get along as best they can on their own.”
A Pew/USA Today poll conducted over the weekend found that Americans oppose – by a 2-1 margin – any U.S. military aid to Ukraine.
A YouGov poll conducted last month found that only 14 percent of Americans said the U.S. has “any responsibility” to get involved in Ukraine, and only 18 percent think the U.S. “has any responsibility to protect Ukraine if Russia were to invade.”
Huffington Post reports:
Americans are more likely than not to say that the United States has no responsibility to get involved in Ukraine even under extreme circumstances, the new survey shows ….
Pluralities of Democrats, Republicans and independents agreed that the U.S. does not have a responsibility to protect Ukraine.
Support for a war against Syria is less than one-sixth the approval level Americans had for the Iraq war in 2003 (Americans would rather have a root canal or a colonoscopy than bomb Syria).
A USA Today/Pew Poll from January shows that Americans now believe by a 50%-38% margin that war against Iraq was stupid.

Do you think focusing on domestic issues like the economy is more important?
 
That's exactly why we elect our representatives to Congress and elect the President. To take polls and swerve one way or the other each week that a new poll comes out. Yup, that's exactly why.
 
I remember when we weren't at war. /old
 
Yes - I'm tired of war-war-war, too.

Committing a country to war is an extreme measure and should be saved for extreme situations where there are no other viable options - or those options were enacted and failed.

Now: we have a situation where a hostile country is taking over a lesser nation, something we might have been involved in in the past, and people just cringe at the thought of extending our country into another decade of war.

Obama's anti-military views and actions are like salt on a wound.
 
That's good because this regime only wages war on rich people, white people, and men. Man made disasters have yet to be waged war upon.
 
Cardinal said:
I remember when we weren't at war. /old
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When was that?

I was born in '47, and between Korea, RVN, Bosnia, Grenada, Panama and a few other 'police actions', I cannot remember a time we weren't at war.
 
Beaudreaux said:
That's exactly why we elect our representatives to Congress and elect the President. To take polls and swerve one way or the other each week that a new poll comes out. Yup, that's exactly why.
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Unfortunately, when your elected representative has more loyalty to their political party and its financial coffers, than to this country or their own constituents, depending on the system alone is foolish. Where there is power, there is influential money. Money perverts the system.
 
24107 said:
Polls: Americans Are Sick of the War On Terror, War On Drugs

The American people are now overwhelminglyopposed to more war in Ukraine, Syria, Iran and elsewhere.
A new Wall Street Journal/NBC poll shows:
Americans in large numbers want the U.S. to reduce its role in world affairs even as a showdown with Russia over Ukraine preoccupies Washington ….
In a marked change from past decades, nearly half of those surveyed want the U.S. to be less active on the global stage, with fewer than one-fifth calling for more active engagement—an anti-interventionist current that sweeps across party lines.
A Pew poll from December found a majority of Americans – more than ever before in Pew’s 50-year history of polling this question – think the U.S. “should mind its own business internationally and let other countries get along as best they can on their own.”
A Pew/USA Today poll conducted over the weekend found that Americans oppose – by a 2-1 margin – any U.S. military aid to Ukraine.
A YouGov poll conducted last month found that only 14 percent of Americans said the U.S. has “any responsibility” to get involved in Ukraine, and only 18 percent think the U.S. “has any responsibility to protect Ukraine if Russia were to invade.”
Huffington Post reports:
Americans are more likely than not to say that the United States has no responsibility to get involved in Ukraine even under extreme circumstances, the new survey shows ….
Pluralities of Democrats, Republicans and independents agreed that the U.S. does not have a responsibility to protect Ukraine.
Support for a war against Syria is less than one-sixth the approval level Americans had for the Iraq war in 2003 (Americans would rather have a root canal or a colonoscopy than bomb Syria).
A USA Today/Pew Poll from January shows that Americans now believe by a 50%-38% margin that war against Iraq was stupid.

Do you think focusing on domestic issues like the economy is more important?
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They will be sick of it until we are attacked by religious extremists again. They they will want blood, at least for a few months, or until one of our guys are killed... Then they will be sick of it again.

America is full of people who feel if something can't be done quickly, it should not be done at all because its to hard.
 
America is full of people who actually believe that the government can protect them from anything at all. But, it is also full of people who actually believe in Santa Claus, Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. ;)
 
24107 said:
Polls: Americans Are Sick of the War On Terror, War On Drugs

The American people are now overwhelminglyopposed to more war in Ukraine, Syria, Iran and elsewhere.
A new Wall Street Journal/NBC poll shows:
Americans in large numbers want the U.S. to reduce its role in world affairs even as a showdown with Russia over Ukraine preoccupies Washington ….
In a marked change from past decades, nearly half of those surveyed want the U.S. to be less active on the global stage, with fewer than one-fifth calling for more active engagement—an anti-interventionist current that sweeps across party lines.
A Pew poll from December found a majority of Americans – more than ever before in Pew’s 50-year history of polling this question – think the U.S. “should mind its own business internationally and let other countries get along as best they can on their own.”
A Pew/USA Today poll conducted over the weekend found that Americans oppose – by a 2-1 margin – any U.S. military aid to Ukraine.
A YouGov poll conducted last month found that only 14 percent of Americans said the U.S. has “any responsibility” to get involved in Ukraine, and only 18 percent think the U.S. “has any responsibility to protect Ukraine if Russia were to invade.”
Huffington Post reports:
Americans are more likely than not to say that the United States has no responsibility to get involved in Ukraine even under extreme circumstances, the new survey shows ….
Pluralities of Democrats, Republicans and independents agreed that the U.S. does not have a responsibility to protect Ukraine.
Support for a war against Syria is less than one-sixth the approval level Americans had for the Iraq war in 2003 (Americans would rather have a root canal or a colonoscopy than bomb Syria).
A USA Today/Pew Poll from January shows that Americans now believe by a 50%-38% margin that war against Iraq was stupid.

Do you think focusing on domestic issues like the economy is more important?
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Americans might feel differently if they just fought the war, won, and then left, while repeating as necessary. The wars, since the Korean War, have always become political and divides the country. Get in and out and the protesters won't even have time to paint their signs.

The problems begin when foreigners try to change the character and culture of another country, particularly when its third world.
 
Grant said:
Americans might feel differently if they just fought the war, won, and then left, while repeating as necessary. The wars, since the Korean War, have always become political and divides the country. Get in and out and the protesters won't even have time to paint their signs.

The problems begin when foreigners try to change the character and culture of another country, particularly when its third world.
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To address the part of your post about foreigners, that is the doing of the government. Have you heard about the dream act of the 1960's which encouraged immigration? Or is that Obamas fault too?
 
24107 said:
Polls: Americans Are Sick of the War On Terror, War On Drugs

The American people are now overwhelminglyopposed to more war in Ukraine, Syria, Iran and elsewhere.
A new Wall Street Journal/NBC poll shows:
Americans in large numbers want the U.S. to reduce its role in world affairs even as a showdown with Russia over Ukraine preoccupies Washington ….
In a marked change from past decades, nearly half of those surveyed want the U.S. to be less active on the global stage, with fewer than one-fifth calling for more active engagement—an anti-interventionist current that sweeps across party lines.
A Pew poll from December found a majority of Americans – more than ever before in Pew’s 50-year history of polling this question – think the U.S. “should mind its own business internationally and let other countries get along as best they can on their own.”
A Pew/USA Today poll conducted over the weekend found that Americans oppose – by a 2-1 margin – any U.S. military aid to Ukraine.
A YouGov poll conducted last month found that only 14 percent of Americans said the U.S. has “any responsibility” to get involved in Ukraine, and only 18 percent think the U.S. “has any responsibility to protect Ukraine if Russia were to invade.”
Huffington Post reports:
Americans are more likely than not to say that the United States has no responsibility to get involved in Ukraine even under extreme circumstances, the new survey shows ….
Pluralities of Democrats, Republicans and independents agreed that the U.S. does not have a responsibility to protect Ukraine.
Support for a war against Syria is less than one-sixth the approval level Americans had for the Iraq war in 2003 (Americans would rather have a root canal or a colonoscopy than bomb Syria).
A USA Today/Pew Poll from January shows that Americans now believe by a 50%-38% margin that war against Iraq was stupid.

Do you think focusing on domestic issues like the economy is more important?
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Why? Because these things just waste crap tons of money, get our kids killed, feed the corporate machine of America, seek to limit our liberties, inspire untold laws and government intervention against our freedom, encourage the government to act outside the bounds of the Constitutions, etc?
 
Oh, we are tired of the War on Terror? That's nice. Apparently wars aren't won or lost anymore, one side just gets bored and wanders off.

I'm so glad we have these options. Apparently we can just agree to call it all a draw, and all of us go home. Hooray.
 
cpwill said:
Oh, we are tired of the War on Terror? That's nice. Apparently wars aren't won or lost anymore, one side just gets bored and wanders off.

I'm so glad we have these options. Apparently we can just agree to call it all a draw, and all of us go home. Hooray.
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I think we can agree that the concept of openly declaring a war on it, and leaving it with an undetermined end tends to harm its sustainability or popularity. I think the sort of action via Afghanistan or Iraq will need to take a backstep, but the War on Terrorism will go on, perhaps in almost all but name.
 
Fiddytree said:
I think we can agree that the concept of openly declaring a war on it, and leaving it with an undetermined end tends to harm its sustainability or popularity. I think the sort of action via Afghanistan or Iraq will need to take a backstep, but the War on Terrorism will go on, perhaps in almost all but name.
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....what do you think the effect is going to be on a generation of young Jihadists across the Ummah when Mullah Omar and Zawahiri declare victory from Kabul after the American withdrawal?

The War on Terror is expanding, not shrinking.
 
cpwill said:
....what do you think the effect is going to be on a generation of young Jihadists across the Ummah when Mullah Omar and Zawahiri declare victory from Kabul after the American withdrawal?

The War on Terror is expanding, not shrinking.
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I'm stating that it is the sort of action taken by the United States that grows tiring to the public, even though they largely clamored for it in the first place. I think we should continue to be vigilant about it, because it won't go away, but I also do not think we can stomach much in the way of invasion forces.
 
Fiddytree said:
I'm stating that it is the sort of action taken by the United States that grows tiring to the public, even though they largely clamored for it in the first place. I think we should continue to be vigilant about it, because it won't go away, but I also do not think we can stomach much in the way of invasion forces.
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:lol: Oh. We are going to continue to be vigilant. :) That's nice. Is that sort of like our red lines for Syria and "Serious Consequences" for Russia?

"Hey AQ/TB SL, we may have handed you the historic victory of a generation that is going to make you heroes and help you light a region on fire, but while you're doing it we're gonna be... well, we will be watching.... vigilantly...."
 
cpwill said:
:lol: Oh. We are going to continue to be vigilant. :) That's nice. Is that sort of like our red lines for Syria and "Serious Consequences" for Russia?

"Hey AQ/TB SL, we may have handed you the historic victory of a generation that is going to make you heroes and help you light a region on fire, but while you're doing it we're gonna be... well, we will be watching.... vigilantly...."
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You're not going to have the support for another invasion for a while. That's a political reality. I don't know what else to tell you.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
if this was a real "war on terror" we would be going after the terrorist group Boko Haram in nigeria.

BBC News - Boko Haram 'to sell' Nigeria girls abducted from Chibok
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In order to do that you'd have to have a President who was actually interested in showing up to that whole "foreign policy" thing. As it is, BH doesn't fall under AQ's banner, so :shrug: at current, no one cares. You'll get no argument from me, mind you, I'd love to kill Sheqau - even for Islamist fundamentalists he's a right basterd. But for that to happen you'd have to get Congress off their butt to sign on to expanding the engagement authorities, Goodluck Johnathan to agree to the effort, and in order for either to happen, you'd have to have a President who cared enough to push it. Johnathan may be down (he's got an election next year to think about, and he did go public with the intention to get the girls back. Mind you that may be because of the backlash he's getting over firing the banker dude, but still, it's a public stance he'd have to back up), but I sincerely doubt the President is even willing, much less capable, to get his "allies" in Congress to back him on that.

But Boko Haram (and Ansaru) are perfect examples of what I'm talking about. This fight is spreading, not dying down. ISIL now owns 1/3 of Iraq as well as a chunk of Syria, AQIM and affiliates own vast swathes of North Africa, Boko Haram is beating the living snot out of the Nigerian military, Al Shabaab has demonstrated an ability that ranges across East Africa, and we've pretty much convinced every potential ally in the region with an incentive to join against them that we are both untrustworthy and incompetent.

Wheee. "The war on terror is dying down". Except it's not. We decided to half-ass it, and so now it's a bigger problem.
 
cpwill said:
In order to do that you'd have to have a President who was actually interested in showing up to that whole "foreign policy" thing. As it is, BH doesn't fall under AQ's banner, so :shrug: at current, no one cares. You'll get no argument from me, mind you, I'd love to kill Sheqau - even for Islamist fundamentalists he's a right basterd. But for that to happen you'd have to get Congress off their butt to sign on to expanding the engagement authorities, Goodluck Johnathan to agree to the effort, and in order for either to happen, you'd have to have a President who cared enough to push it. Johnathan may be down, but I sincerely doubt the President is even willing, much less capable, to get his "allies" in Congress to back him on that.

But Boko Haram (and Ansaru) are perfect examples of what I'm talking about. This fight is spreading, not dying down. ISIL now owns 1/3 of Iraq as well as a chunk of Syria, AQIM and affiliates own vast swathes of North Africa, Boko Haram is beating the living snot out of the Nigerian military, Al Shabaab has demonstrated an ability that ranges across East Africa, and we've pretty much convinced every potential ally in the region with an incentive to join against them that we are both untrustworthy and incompetent.

Wheee. "The war on terror is dying down". Except it's not. We decided to half-ass it, and so now it's a bigger problem.
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i thought we were fighting a war on terror? that means we go after terrorists no matter where they are
 
Fiddytree said:
You're not going to have the support for another invasion for a while. That's a political reality. I don't know what else to tell you.
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I don't deny that. I just think that we are demonstrating ourselves to actually be the Weak Horse to an entire region, and that's gonna go badly for us.
 
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