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At some point before the Embassy got attacked, Stevens made the State Department/military aware of how dangerous the situation was becoming, and ask for evacuation or assistance. But since it was against the CIA policy of supporting anti Gaddafi opposition, they over-rode the military's decision to send in support. That's when the events start to spiral out of control.

There was a foul up of information, and by the time Hillary got notified about the facts and the seriousness of the attack, it was too late. In order not to appear incompetent about the situation, they attempted a coverup, giving Susan Rice a false set of talking points. It's been obfuscated and unraveling ever since.

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grip said:

At some point before the Embassy got attacked, Stevens made the State Department/military aware of how dangerous the situation was becoming, and ask for evacuation or assistance. But since it was against the CIA policy of supporting anti Gaddafi opposition, they over-rode the military's decision to send in support. That's when the events start to spiral out of control.

There was a foul up of information, and by the time Hillary got notified about the facts and the seriousness of the attack, it was too late. In order not to appear incompetent about the situation, they attempted a coverup, giving Susan Rice a false set of talking points. It's been obfuscated and unraveling ever since.

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Add to that summary that part of Obama's campaign was 'OBL is dead, GM is alive, and we've put Al Qaeda was decimated', so an attack on an embassy was going to undermine that, so the senior campaign official directed Rice and her talking points, which is a felony Hatch Act violation.

Agreed about it being obfuscated (lying to the nation) and unraveling ever since.

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eohrnberger said:

So, I suppose one could reasonably conclude that the Obama presidency was Biased Lame Stream Media's (BLSM) greatest gift to the electorate?

I mean just look. Every possibly bad aspect from the opposition was well known by the interviewed, where as hardly any possibly bad aspect of the left was not known, but even less known was anything about Obama himself. Yeah, media malpractice, I'd have to agree.



Umm, those would be the low information Obama voters / supporters. 'Come on Pete. This is hardly a surprise to anyone, including you.

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Umm, there are low information voters on both sides, the problem for Romney was there were approximately 5 million more people who voted for Obama than for Romney. And I bet there were very few people who thought about Benghazi.

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pbrauer said:

Umm, there are low information voters on both sides, the problem for Romney was there were approximately 5 million more people who voted for Obama than for Romney. And I bet there were very few people who thought about Benghazi.

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Looking in small scope, yeah I can see where one could draw that conclusion.

Looking in larger scope, it's pretty obvious the liberal media orgasmed all over themselves already with Obama's candidacy announcement, and ever since.

More reading:

• MSNBC Had More Negative Coverage Of Romney Than Fox News Did Of Obama, Says Pew | Mediaite
• The Final Days of the Media Campaign 2012 | Pew Research Center's Journalism Project
• The Final Days of the Media Campaign 2012 | Pew Research Center's Journalism Project (different)
• Pew: Positive media coverage of Obama surged in campaign

Yeah, it was the Biased Lame Stream Media that got Obama elected. Like I said, the greatest 'gift' to the electorate and nation. More like betrayal if you ask me.

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eohrnberger said:

Looking in small scope, yeah I can see where one could draw that conclusion.

Looking in larger scope, it's pretty obvious the liberal media orgasmed all over themselves already with Obama's candidacy announcement, and ever since.

More reading:

• MSNBC Had More Negative Coverage Of Romney Than Fox News Did Of Obama, Says Pew | Mediaite
• The Final Days of the Media Campaign 2012 | Pew Research Center's Journalism Project
• The Final Days of the Media Campaign 2012 | Pew Research Center's Journalism Project (different)
• Pew: Positive media coverage of Obama surged in campaign

Yeah, it was the Biased Lame Stream Media that got Obama elected. Like I said, the greatest 'gift' to the electorate and nation. More like betrayal if you ask me.

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Romney once said he wasn't a politician and boy was he correct ... he sucked as a candidate.. he really did. You cannot blame any of the on the media. Romney came off as a cold individual.Do you remember when he said corporations are people? . Like it or not, if you want someone to vote for you, you need to be likable. People don't like CEO's / businessmen to be their president.

I can remember when I voted for Ronald Reagan in 1980, it was because I liked him and he made me feel good as an American. It wasn't about any of the policies he talked about.

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pbrauer said:

Romney once said he wasn't a politician and boy was he correct ... he sucked as a candidate.. he really did. You cannot blame any of the on the media. Romney came off as a cold individual.Do you remember when he said corporations are people? . Like it or not, if you want someone to vote for you, you need to be likable. People don't like CEO's / businessmen to be their president.

I can remember when I voted for Ronald Reagan in 1980, it was because I liked him and he made me feel good as an American. It wasn't about any of the policies he talked about.

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And yet, this lousy politician was within 5m votes of beating Obama,
even though Obama had the media heavily on his side, in his back pocket,
even though you had to try so hard to find a single negative story on him, but no problem finding whatever trumped up negative story about Romney
even though Obama and his campaign had no problem, and had established a track record of, lying to the electorate and nation whenever political convenient or expedient

Even with all that tipping the scale in Obama's favor, only 5m votes.

I think you're reading far too much into the parts that you want to read into, and not enough into all the surrounding counter information. But please, continue as you surely will.

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eohrnberger said:

And yet, this lousy politician was within 5m votes of beating Obama,
even though Obama had the media heavily on his side, in his back pocket,
even though you had to try so hard to find a single negative story on him, but no problem finding whatever trumped up negative story about Romney
even though Obama and his campaign had no problem, and had established a track record of, lying to the electorate and nation whenever political convenient or expedient

Even with all that tipping the scale in Obama's favor, only 5m votes.

I think you're reading far too much into the parts that you want to read into, and not enough into all the surrounding counter information. But please, continue as you surely will.

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I am not sure what that means, but I must tell you I am not buying the BS that Fox is selling.

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pbrauer said:

I am not sure what that means, but I must tell you I am not buying the BS that Fox is selling.

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I'm trying to tell you that you are buying and believing the left wing talking points and not considering additional contextual facts that contradict them. I'm thinking that you really should.

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eohrnberger said:

I'm trying to tell you that you are buying and believing the left wing talking points and not considering additional contextual facts that contradict them. I'm thinking that you really should.

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What additional contextual facts are you speaking of?

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pbrauer said:

What additional contextual facts are you speaking of?

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Which context? The thread is about the smoking gun email released by Judicial Watch's FoIA request, and we strayed a bit into how poor a politician Romney was. Which one?

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eohrnberger said:

Which context? The thread is about the smoking gun email released by Judicial Watch's FoIA request, and we strayed a bit into how poor a politician Romney was. Which one?

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You were the one that made the statement and you are asking me?

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pbrauer said:

Do you realize this is the story CIA Director David Petraeus when he first testified before the house? He later changed his story.

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You mean the guy that was caught and exposed for having an affair. I guess he could have lied due to pressure.

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pbrauer said:

You were the one that made the statement and you are asking me?

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Pete, which facts were you looking for? More than happy to supply my view on them for you. Just gotta know which facts you are looking for.

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eohrnberger said:

Pete, which facts were you looking for? More than happy to supply my view on them for you. Just gotta know which facts you are looking for.

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I want you to prove Obama lied about Benghazi for political reasons. I.e. there was the election coming up in a few weeks and he was afraid he might lose if the people thought it was terrorism... That's steaming pile of bull crap.. I don't want your opinion, i want facts. Now, I realize he have may have known who or what it was. But that is not proof. These emails don't mean squat!!!

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pbrauer said:

I want you to prove Obama lied about Benghazi for political reasons. I.e. there was the election coming up in a few weeks and he was afraid he might lose if the people thought it was terrorism... That's steaming pile of bull crap.. I don't want your opinion, i want facts. Now, I realize he have may have known who or what it was. But that is not proof. These emails don't mean squat!!!

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We know that the administration was informed that it was a well coordinated terrorist attack. Probably could even see that from the video feed from the overhead drone.

So what do you call it when the president and those in the administration were fully aware of this, and yet keep repeating that it's the fault of an Internet video?

So, the email. Who is addressed on this email:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/1919_production-4-17-14.pdf#page=14

At the time weren't David Plouffe and Dan Pfeiffer on the reelection campaign? Not the administration staff. The Hatch Act makes it a felony violation for any executive branch employee to engage in political activities while employed with the government.

The Hatch Act of 1939, officially An Act to Prevent Pernicious Political Activities, is a United States federal law whose main provision prohibits employees in the executive branch of the federal government, except the president, vice-president, and certain designated high-level officials of that branch, from engaging in partisan political activity. The law was named for Senator Carl Hatch of New Mexico. It was most recently amended in 2012.

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Hatch Act of 1939 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, was this email political activity?

The document lists as a “Goal”:

“To underscore that these protests are rooted in and Internet video, and not a broader failure or policy.”

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Rhodes returns to the “Internet video” scenario later in the email, the first point in a section labeled “Top-lines”.

“Now we know the Obama White House’s chief concern about the Benghazi attack was making sure that President Obama looked good,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “And these documents undermine the Obama administration’s narrative that it thought the Benghazi attack had something to do with protests or an Internet video. Given the explosive material in these documents, it is no surprise that we had to go to federal court to pry them loose from the Obama State Department.”

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Judicial Watch: Benghazi Documents Point to White House on Misleading Talking Points | Judicial Watch

So yes, it would appear that the email is in fact political activity, to politically limit any perception of a 'broader failure or policy': damage control because of the election. If not the election why bother? So I'd have to agree with Tom's assessment above.

Of course, I don't really expect you to change your position on this, regardless of how thorough, detailed, and compelling the information and facts presented to you.

The thing that I don't understand is that seem to accept the vile recurring behavior pattern this president and this administration have a demonstrated track record on, which is the bald faced lying when politically convenient and politically expedient. It's acceptable for the truth to be sacrificed for the politically convenient and politically expedient? I see this as a dangerous precedent to allow to be established. Why don't you?

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Lol... call us back when you've got something you can impeach over. Telling the American people they thought the video was to blame is not: treason, bribery, high crimes or misdemeanors. Until then? Buzz off with your nonsense.

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eohrnberger said:

We know that the administration was informed that it was a well coordinated terrorist attack. Probably could even see that from the video feed from the overhead drone.

So what do you call it when the president and those in the administration were fully aware of this, and yet keep repeating that it's the fault of an Internet video?

So, the email. Who is addressed on this email:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/1919_production-4-17-14.pdf#page=14

At the time weren't David Plouffe and Dan Pfeiffer on the reelection campaign? Not the administration staff. The Hatch Act makes it a felony violation for any executive branch employee to engage in political activities while employed with the government.
Hatch Act of 1939 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, was this email political activity?

The document lists as a “Goal”:

Rhodes returns to the “Internet video” scenario later in the email, the first point in a section labeled “Top-lines”.

Judicial Watch: Benghazi Documents Point to White House on Misleading Talking Points | Judicial Watch

So yes, it would appear that the email is in fact political activity, to politically limit any perception of a 'broader failure or policy': damage control because of the election. If not the election why bother? So I'd have to agree with Tom's assessment above.

Of course, I don't really expect you to change your position on this, regardless of how thorough, detailed, and compelling the information and facts presented to you.

The thing that I don't understand is that seem to accept the vile recurring behavior pattern this president and this administration have a demonstrated track record on, which is the bald faced lying when politically convenient and politically expedient. It's acceptable for the truth to be sacrificed for the politically convenient and politically expedient? I see this as a dangerous precedent to allow to be established. Why don't you?

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I said earlier today there was an investigation going on and its not necessary for the President to explain how it happened, it more important to find out who perpetrated it and bring them to justice. I don't think you or anyone else who's talking about Benghazi, gives two ****s about the four people who died in the attack. Its politics!!!

Now, if you want to talk about presidential lying, all you need to do is to look at president Bush. Yes, I know you have those quotes from Democrats. What Bush did was to sell his war in Iraq as to make it politically hard for politicians to vote against his war. He could have used the War Powers Act to fight his war. Thousands of troops were either killed or permanently injured plus it will end costing as much as $3 trillion.

BTW, the email you posted doesn't reference Benghazi at all.

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Clinton: With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator. Now, honestly, I will do my best to answer your questions about this, but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get to the best information. The IC has a process, I understand, going with the other committees to explain how these talking points came out. But you know, to be clear, it is, from my perspective, less important today looking backwards as to why these militants decided they did it than to find them and bring them to justice, and then maybe we’ll figure out what was going on in the meantime.

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Absolutely despicable words by Hillary, a living piece of garbage.

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pbrauer said:

I said earlier today there was an investigation going on and its not necessary for the President to explain how it happened, it more important to find out who perpetrated it and bring them to justice. I don't think you or anyone else who's talking about Benghazi, gives two ****s about the four people who died in the attack. Its politics!!!

Now, if you want to talk about presidential lying, all you need to do is to look at president Bush. Yes, I know you have those quotes from Democrats. What Bush did was to sell his war in Iraq as to make it politically hard for politicians to vote against his war. He could have used the War Powers Act to fight his war. Thousands of troops were either killed or permanently injured plus it will end costing as much as $3 trillion.

BTW, the email you posted doesn't reference Benghazi at all.

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Really? On page 15:

Q: What’s your response to the Independent story that says we have intelligence 48 hours in advance of the Benghazi attack that was ignored? What this an intelligence failure?

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http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-cont...14.pdf#page=14
So yes, it does reference Benghazi.

I've always stated that there are to parts to the issue, 1 was the lack of security and the deaths of 4 people. The other part of the issue was the misdirection, obfuscation of quickly debunked memes such as the Internet Video when the administration knew better, and then stonewalling of the investigation.

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eohrnberger said:

Really? On page 15:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-cont...14.pdf#page=14
So yes, it does reference Benghazi.

I've always stated that there are to parts to the issue, 1 was the lack of security and the deaths of 4 people. The other part of the issue was the misdirection, obfuscation of quickly debunked memes such as the Internet Video when the administration knew better, and then stonewalling of the investigation.

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If you wish to look at that one line in a vacuum, sure.

The emails are discussing what was happening all over the middle east, some all over the world -- protests about that video.

Do you remember what was happening that week?

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Repeat:

Middle East - and the world.

A big hoo-ha is being made about that line: "to underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy."

What was happening THE DAY that email was sent?

Oh, that's right -- protests about a video all over the freakin world.


"A report (PDF) from the Congressional Research Service published days after the attacks in Benghazi details how "Muslims in a number of countries have responded in recent days with anger at the United States that many observers describe as a response to a privately produced film circulating on the Internet that denigrates Islam and the prophet Mohammed."

According to the report, as of September 14, 2012, when Rhodes' email was sent, such protests - often violent and focused on U.S. diplomatic facilities -- had occurred in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Sudan, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey, Yemen, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq, Iran, Bangladesh, and Malaysia."


Remember? Muslim Protests Spread Around the Globe - In Focus - The Atlantic

^ Sept. 14, 2012 Article ^

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A Map of Muslim Protests Around the World

Reuters / Google Maps

If you can't keep track of all the Muslim protests erupting across the globe, you're not alone. The uproar over a 14-minute anti-Islam YouTube video has sparked furious protests from Somalia to Egypt to Sudan to Tunisia to Libya to Bangladesh to Indonesia to Pakistan. With new reports of protests surfacing every minute, we've compiled the latest reported incidents into this handy interactive Google Map. Click the locations and embedded links for more details about each incident."

A Map of Muslim Protests Around the World - The Wire