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Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says ‘They’re not paramilitary units’

I will go along with the op for the most part. I wouldn't deny a blm or usfs ranger his side arm, or maybe a shotgun in his marked vehicle. As a ccw holder, I carry a sidearm myself.
However, Obama did say we ought to have a national force funded and equipped as well as the military. Well, looks to me like he has it. I can't remember the last time I have seen any law enforcement vehicle that didn't have an ar-15 buckled in it. I've seen motorcycle cops with ar-15s strapped on. And now blm has snipers? How long have they had snipers? Does the postal service have snipers too? How about snipers for the IRS or social security? And I can't own a mag that holds more than 10.
 
They want to show solidarity among racists, like Truthers sticking up for each other no matter how ridiculous it becomes.

No. The greatest solidarity we see amongst racists, race-baiters, and all-around scurrilous reprobates who rely on internecine hatred to fulfill their political agenda, is all on the left.l
 
Somehow I don't think a state can legislate to disarm the federal government.

Ironic, isn't it? This country was founded as a republic, yet that seems to not be the case anymore. States seem to have little say over anything anymore. Drug laws come to mind. Rather than respect State decisions, they still interfere. Some states are now pushing to reclaim rights to their public lands which the federal gov't. took over from them.
 
while I understand the sentiment (even if i don't agree with it) wouldn't the BLM still be able to work with other government organizations that have the power to come in armed? I don't know if this law would actually change anything.
Sure, Obama personal police force is being readied as we speak.
 
Wait... was I supposed to presume that you had been fooled by this scumbag and thereby known you were driven by ignorance and not racism? Well, see, I'm not interested in evaluating you. What you fail to understand is that I don't give a crap what YOUR motives are. My statements were made in regard to the issue and, thereby, a presumption of your ignorance was not on the table for discussion.

That you have come to agree with me, that there is no legitimate reason for supporting Bundy, only serves to reinforce my evaluation of the motives (ignorance and/or racism) involved in the issue.

Of course, you still haven't explained why you BLINDLY believed Bundy. I don't think you would have done the same if a democrat was making claims. So there's probably some kind of biased BS going on. You wanna explain why you blindly believed some redneck hillbilly scumbag?


You got some nerve giving my evaluation of Bundy support crap when your evaluation was garbage and you've admitted so.

I didn't realize supposed "racist" comments had anything to do with his plight with the BLM. Interesting.
 
Ironic, isn't it? This country was founded as a republic, yet that seems to not be the case anymore. States seem to have little say over anything anymore. Drug laws come to mind. Rather than respect State decisions, they still interfere. Some states are now pushing to reclaim rights to their public lands which the federal gov't. took over from them.

I lived in Humboldt County, California for a few years. One of the most popular bumper stickers there was "US Out Of Humboldt County".
 
I was not aware that he lied about his family. Could you provide me a link to that?

And seriously, stop making everything about racism. I don't care if he is a racist or not. It's a non-issue to me and always has been. All that it does is make your posts not worthy of even being read much less responded to.

Liberals always pull out the race card when they're losing.
 
Liberals always pull out the race card when they're losing.

I just love it when they try to play that card against me, a brown skinned person, "showing solidarity with other white racists" :lamo

The race card, the last refuge of the lowest common denominator.
 
I didn't realize supposed "racist" comments had anything to do with his plight with the BLM. Interesting.

It's the only thing to do with his fraud. There is no legitimate reason to support him. One can assume that one is doing so to show solidarity among racists. Of course, racists pretend there are other reasons, because they're cowards. And, of course, some supporters are just ignorant.
 
Ironic, isn't it? This country was founded as a republic, yet that seems to not be the case anymore. States seem to have little say over anything anymore. Drug laws come to mind. Rather than respect State decisions, they still interfere. Some states are now pushing to reclaim rights to their public lands which the federal gov't. took over from them.

Come now, the federal government didn't steal the Mexican territory from the states....they stole it Mexico before the territory even had states.

Today some of the western states are trying to claim federal land...not the other way around. But it's a different story in the mid-west where many ranchers are getting their land confiscated for the XL Pipeline.

Were you in favor of the pipeline?
 
It's the only thing to do with his fraud. There is no legitimate reason to support him. One can assume that one is doing so to show solidarity among racists. Of course, racists pretend there are other reasons, because they're cowards. And, of course, some supporters are just ignorant.

Am I, a brown skinned Dominican American, pretending to be opposed to the heavy handedness of the BLM and the treatment of protesters? Who am I racist against?

You've overplayed the racism card. There ARE legitimate reasons to support him. Just as there are black men defending Bundy right now.
 
Liberals always pull out the race card when they're losing.

I thought it was Bundy that pulled the race card. I never understood why he started talking about race in the first place. What did that have to do with his cows and the feds?
 
I just love it when they try to play that card against me, a brown skinned person, "showing solidarity with other white racists" :lamo

The race card, the last refuge of the lowest common denominator.

Actually, I think the quote is, "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." - Samuel Johnson


lol
 
Personally I think that since Bundy's family has been in that area for well over a century they should not have to ask for permission to use land that they had been using long before the BLM was even a twinkle in Big Daddies pants. Its called grandfathering and it should apply to the Bundy family for as long as the Bundy's live there.

Despite Bundy's mystical claims to the contrary, his family appears to have been there only since 1948.

That aside, historical can be a source of privelages, but not rights. Bundy has no fundamental right to public land that is not his. His privelage to have access to that land, however, should be grandfathered - if and only if he pays the fees.

Since Bundy is not willing to do that (creatively either refuses to pay, or sends the check to people that he know cant accept it), I have zero sympathy for him. It does not matter how long his ancestors have or have not ranched there.
 
How about disarming the militias that are harboring and protecting a criminal on his ranch and keeping federal law enforcement from executing a court order against him.
WTF?? Armed insurrection good, federal law enforcement bad?
The anarchists are gaining a foothold with the republicons.

A dead beat who refuses to pay his bill and the wackos who are defending that deadbeat is not the issue of this thread.What is the issue is whether or not certain agencies should be equipped with military weapons or military like weapons.
 
A dead beat who refuses to pay his bill and the wackos who are defending that deadbeat is not the issue of this thread.What is the issue is whether or not certain agencies should be equipped with military weapons or military like weapons.
The alphabet agencies can arm up all they want, till they turn on us. Then its on.
 
I think the guy is completely full of crap. It's been proven that he lied about his family history. It's been proven he is a racist piece of crap. He's a mooch, a thief and a delusional idiot.

There's one reason to support the scumbag: to show solidarity among racists. It's the same as Truthers sticking up for each other.

The good thing is it shows us who the racists are.

I think they are just jumping on the goberment is e-vile bandwagon, it has nothing to do with racism. Its like when libs would jump on ever Bush is e-vile band wagon and made bogus claims of lying for war, starting 9-11, being a dictator, went awol,stealing elections and numerous other things that were not true. People let their beliefs blind them and they can't see or ignore the truth.
 
Hopefully this law maker is successful.

Bundy aftermath: Utah lawmaker moves to disarm BLM, IRS, says 'They're not paramilitary units' - Washington Times
Rep. Chris Stewart of Utah, concerned about the armed agents that surrounded Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s property, is mulling a measure to cut funding for any “paramilitary units” that work for the Bureau of Land Management, the Internal Revenue Service and other federal regulatory agencies.
“There are lots of people who are really concerned when the BLM shows up with its own SWAT team,” he said, the Salt Lake Tribune reported. “They’re regulatory agencies. They’re not paramilitary units, and I think that concerns a lot of us.”

His mulled amendment to an appropriations bill comes in context of recent BLM actions against Mr. Bundy: The federal agents armed themselves and surrounded his property, tasered his son, closed down road access to the ranch and even shot a couple of his prize bulls. The reasons? Mr. Bundy hadn’t paid his grazing fees to the federal government, but rather fought the matter in court.

If a public school district or a public transit authority or a Hospital district can have policing authority...why not a federal agency?
 
If a public school district or a public transit authority or a Hospital district can have policing authority...why not a federal agency?
I think most would argue that a public school district and transit authority should have it's own policing authority but instead should rely on local law enforcement.
 
I think they are just jumping on the goberment is e-vile bandwagon, it has nothing to do with racism. Its like when libs would jump on ever Bush is e-vile band wagon and made bogus claims of lying for war, starting 9-11, being a dictator, went awol,stealing elections and numerous other things that were not true. People let their beliefs blind them and they can't see or ignore the truth.

As I said, racism and/or ignorance.
 
I think most would argue that a public school district and transit authority should have it's own policing authority but instead should rely on local law enforcement.

I hear the contrary from persons that advocate conceal/open carry...that the police can not be everywhere.

Many call for armed gaurds or arming teachers and staff at schools...so how is a school district police force wrong?
 
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