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The talking points were signed by David Petraeus the head of the CIA at the time.

So? They came from elsewhere. It doesn't matter who signed them.
 
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What I've gathered so far from the left is that lying = talking points. Spinning = lies. So, if the WH lies about an event, spins it with talking points, and then lies about a cover up, it's all okay. I feel sorry for Nixon. He had no idea how it works.
 
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I know. And I've suggested why.

Look, all you have to do us show more than the WH was involved in talking points (which is common).


I did with that bit about what the Libyans told the Brits and us......Got something to say for the 3 day advance warning they gave Team O?

Now look......all you have to do is Prove how Team O wasn't lying about not knowing anything.
 
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I know. And I've suggested why.

Look, all you have to do us show more than the WH was involved in talking points (which is common).
Ben Rhodes was in the WH and so were the people he copied on his email.
Even if someone else in the WH concocted concoct the bullshit story for him to circulate, he's still in the WH.
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

So? They came from elsewhere. It doesn't matter who signed them.
Of course it matters, just ask Grim, he will tell you.
 
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Of course it matters, just ask Grim, he will tell you.

No, it doesn't matter. For the same reason you folks say Hillary's signature on the papers denying extra security don't matter.
 
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I did with that bit about what the Libyans told the Brits and us......Got something to say for the 3 day advance warning they gave Team O?

Now look......all you have to do is Prove how Team O wasn't lying about not knowing anything.

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Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

What I've gathered so far from the left is that lying = talking points. Spinning = lies. So, if the WH lies about an event, spins it with talking points, and then lies about a cover up, it's all okay. I feel sorry for Nixon. He had no idea how it works.

That's because Nixon didn't know Alinsky or Soros but both Barack and Hillary learned at the masters' knee.
 
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What I've gathered so far from the left is that lying = talking points. Spinning = lies. So, if the WH lies about an event, spins it with talking points, and then lies about a cover up, it's all okay. I feel sorry for Nixon. He had no idea how it works.

Well it is hard for them to understand.....how Hillary and the Team just managed to hire Ansar al Sharia as Security for us while in Benghazi. Which here was the straight dope on Ansar al sharia.



State Department: Ansar al Sharia an alias for AQAP

The US State Department announced today that it has amended its terrorist designations of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) "to include the new alias, Ansar al Sharia (AAS)."

AAS "was established to attract potential followers to sharia rule in areas under the control of AQAP," according to the State Department. "However, AAS is simply AQAP's effort to rebrand itself, with the aim of manipulating people to join AQAP's terrorist cause."

Although the State Department's statement focuses solely on Ansar al Sharia in Yemen, other Ansar al Sharia-branded organizations have emerged elsewhere since the Arab Spring, including Tunisia and Libya.

Ansar al Sharia Tunisia is headed by Seifallah ben Hassine, otherwise known as Abu Iyad al Tunisi. Hassine, a longtime al Qaeda ally, orchestrated the Sept. 14 assault on the US embassy in Tunis.

In Libya, multiple groups calling themselves Ansar al Sharia have popped up recently. A militia named Ansar al Sharia has been reportedly implicated in the Sept. 11, 2012 attack on the US consulate in Benghazi that killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.

The State Department says that Ansar al Sharia in Yemen is a "separate entity from Ansar al Sharia in Libya." According to a report published by the federal research division of the Library of Congress in August, one of these Ansar al Sharia groups "has increasingly embodied al Qaeda's presence in Libya, as indicated by its active social-media propaganda, extremist discourse, and hatred of the West, especially the United States."

That report, titled "Al Qaeda in Libya: A Profile," was produced under an agreement with the Defense Department's Combating Terrorism Technical Support Office (CTTSO). The report's authors document al Qaeda's extensive presence in Libya, finding that al Qaeda's senior leadership in Pakistan has dispatched operatives to the North African country to establish a clandestine terrorist network there.

The Defense Department's CTTSO concluded that al Qaeda is on the verge of a fully operational network inside Libya, and Ansar al Sharia is one of the brands employed by al Qaeda operatives.....snip~


Read more: State Department: Ansar al Sharia an alias for AQAP - The Long War Journal
 
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Part two.....

Al Qaeda has used numerous brands throughout its history. In February 1998, several leading jihadist groups, including al Qaeda, announced the formation of a "World Islamic Front for Jihad against Jews and Crusaders."

After the August 1998 embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, a group calling itself the "Islamic Army for the Liberation of the Holy Places" claimed responsibility for the suicide attacks. That organization was really an alias for al Qaeda. The 9/11 Commission found that the Islamic Army's claim of responsibility "had already been faxed to the joint al Qaeda-Egyptian Islamic Jihad office in Baku," Azerbaijan prior to the bombings, with instructions to forward the statement to the press afterwards.

Al Qaeda has used numerous brands for both its international operations and its local affiliates. For instance, as the State Department notes, al Qaeda in Iraq operates under the Islamic State of Iraq umbrella.

The Ansar al Sharia brand is, therefore, one of the newest brands used by al Qaeda to market itself. Although the organization's affiliates continue to operate under the al Qaeda name, the al Qaeda brand has been tarnished in Middle Eastern and African countries because of the group's indiscriminate slaughter of Muslims. Al Qaeda's principal victims since its founding have been Muslims. In Iraq and elsewhere, al Qaeda's attacks alienated large numbers of Muslims.

The Ansar al Sharia brand is al Qaeda's attempt to win back some of the hearts and minds it lost.....snip~


Read more: State Department: Ansar al Sharia an alias for AQAP - The Long War Journal
 
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Very cool.
Unfortunately, that crap is not unusual.
Incest with broadcast news divisions and the Democrat Party has been happening for decades.

FDR's Fireside Chats via NBC comes to mind.....:)
 
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I did with that bit about what the Libyans told the Brits and us......Got something to say for the 3 day advance warning they gave Team O?

Now look......all you have to do is Prove how Team O wasn't lying about not knowing anything.

I prefer not to get too deep into this aspect of the matter, but there is a point to keep in mind. In the run-up to any politically significant date (like 9/11) there is typically a burst of threat reporting. These reports must be taken seriously but are almost always false. One warning might be useful; ten warnings create more camouflage than clarity.:peace
 
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I'm trying to think of the guy heading ABC's political news division back in the 00's.
His entire family were big time Lefties with Soros connections and he told his reporters to slant coverage in favor of Kerry.
 
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I'm trying to think of the guy heading ABC's political news division back in the 00's.
His entire family were big time Lefties with Soros connections and he told his reporters to slant coverage in favor of Kerry.

Tough job. He didn't think much of his reporters, I guess.
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

I prefer not to get too deep into this aspect of the matter, but there is a point to keep in mind. In the run-up to any politically significant date (like 9/11) there is typically a burst of threat reporting. These reports must be taken seriously but are almost always false. One warning might be useful; ten warnings create more camouflage than clarity.:peace

Yeah I know JH.....but I had that, to lead me into this.


State Dept FUNDED & TRAINED Benghazi Terrorists, Ansar al Sharia

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The most pressing question about the second 9/11 terrorist attack on America, this time in Benghazi, is “why did Hillary Clinton and the U.S. State Department fund & train the very same terrorists in Libya responsible for murdering Ambassador Chris Stevens, Sean Smith and Navy SEALs: Glen Doherty & Tyrone Woods”?

This question must be answered, along with a reason “why Hillary Clinton & the State Department denied over 100 requests for security enhancements and fortifications, despite over 230 violent attacks in Libya over the year leading up to 9/11, including the attacks on Chris Stevens before the video was even posted on youtube“?

To the right is one such request documented by Regional Security Officer (RSO) Eric Nordstrom, who was stationed in Libya and assigned to Embassy Security by the State Department. Eric Nordstrom appeared to testify at the October 10 Oversight Committee and swore under oath, with penalty of perjury:

“You want to know what bothered me so much about being assigned in Libya? It’s not the hardships, it’s not the gunfire, it’s not the threats. It’s dealing & fighting against the people, the programs & the personnel who were supposed to be supporting me. And I added to it by saying, ‘Jim (Bacigalupo) for me, it’s as if the Taliban is on the inside of the building”.

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Led by policy directed by President Barack Obama, US State Department officials Patrick Kennedy & Charlene Lamb testified under oath, with penalty of perjury, before the Oversight Committee on October 10, 2012.

The Kennedy & Lamb testimony revealed:

“the State Department ’backfilled’ US Special Force Operators protecting America’s Embassy & the Ambassador in Libya, and instead opted to outsource US SFO skill sets with ‘Libyan Militia”.

Houston, we have a problem.

Per RSO Nordstrom’s testimony, part of the Libyan militia was the al-Qaeda-linked, Ansar al-Sharia. Furthermore, per Oversight testimony and evidence, Ansar al Sharia not only threatened Chris Stevens’ life in June 2012, but also attacked the annex Stevens was assigned to in June, blowing out a compound wall. The June attack was called a “terrorist test run”. The test-run or pre-attack occurred one month prior to any video being posted on youtube.....snip~

State Dept FUNDED & TRAINED Benghazi Terrorists, Ansar al Sharia
 
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Here's one she hasn't tried yet ... but wait for it.

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Here was when Clinton tried to deny it was Ansar al Sharia. What.....did she think she could hide any other facts?

Ultimately, Ansar al Sharia claimed credit for killing Stevens, Smith, Woods & Doherty after 9/11/2012.

After her “accepting responsibility“, Hillary Clinton easily dismissed Ansar al Sharia’s public assertion made on both Twitter and Facebook for murdering Ambassador Stevens, Sean Smith, and SEALs: Ty Woods & Glen Doherty.

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“Posting something on Facebook is not exactly evidence“, Secretary of State Clinton shrugged it off, but she must have forgotten the little-watched video, that was only posted on YouTube, until her friend Mohammed Morsi released it after seizing control of the Egyptian media in August: two months after June, when Americans in Libya were already under attack.....snip~
 
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Here's one she hasn't tried yet ... but wait for it.



Looks like we got them on the run now B.....the only question is. Where can they run to. Plus now.....Who they gonna call. Ghostbusters disbanded. :lamo


Libya does not have a proper, uniformed military anymore, thanks to Barack Hussein Obama. Instead, the State Department paid the “Libyan Militia” to protect Ambassador Stevens, who is the representative of the United States President stationed abroad.

See page 170 to verify the details of the State Department funding foreign military in Libya to the tune of $150,000. Compare the same small number afforded local terrorist in Libya, to the hundreds of millions afforded other foreign militaries in the region (like Lebanon’s $100M where Hamas has power!), brought to them courtesy of the US taxpayer.

As Col. Bing West stated, and was supported by former NSA Director Bud McFarlane, murdering a U.S. Ambassador is in fact an act of war.

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State Dept FUNDED & TRAINED Benghazi Terrorists, Ansar al Sharia
 
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Here's one she hasn't tried yet ... but wait for it.


Johnson: No, again, we were misled that there were supposedly protests and that something sprang out of that -- an assault sprang out of that -- and that was easily ascertained that that was not the fact, and the American people could have known that within days and they didn't know that.

Clinton: With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they'd they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator. Now, honestly, I will do my best to answer your questions about this, but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get to the best information. The IC has a process, I understand, going with the other committees to explain how these talking points came out. But you know, to be clear, it is, from my perspective, less important today looking backwards as to why these militants decided they did it than to find them and bring them to justice, and then maybe we'll figure out what was going on in the meantime.

Johnson: OK. Thank you, Madame Secretary.
 
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Here's a tidbit for you all ...the latest findings, the smoking gun, proves that Ben Rhodes was behind orchestrating this lie and making sure everyone in all departments were on the same page. But what may surprise some, Ben Rhodes's brother is David Rhodes, head of CBS News. Remember the stories that came out a couple weeks ago about Sharyl Attkisson trying to get out of her contract at CBS because they refused to print or air her reports on Benghazi? Now we know why. It's a family affair.


CBS exec brother of WH official who edited Benghazi talking points | The Daily Caller

"Blood is thicker than water." I'm finding that little that happens in DC surprises me much anymore these days. When an Ambassador, who is a representative of our Federal Government, can be raped and killed by a bunch of thugs, with no repercussions from us, then our foreign policy is a failure. Have the cowardly thugs been brought to justice yet? I think the thing that bothers people the most about the whole affair is that those men were pleading for help, and signaling planes that they thought were on their way to rescue them - which never came. Do people wonder what they were thinking in the last moments of their lives? I try not to!

Greetings, Vesper. :2wave:
 
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Johnson: No, again, we were misled that there were supposedly protests and that something sprang out of that -- an assault sprang out of that -- and that was easily ascertained that that was not the fact, and the American people could have known that within days and they didn't know that.

Clinton: With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they'd they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator. Now, honestly, I will do my best to answer your questions about this, but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get to the best information. The IC has a process, I understand, going with the other committees to explain how these talking points came out. But you know, to be clear, it is, from my perspective, less important today looking backwards as to why these militants decided they did it than to find them and bring them to justice, and then maybe we'll figure out what was going on in the meantime.

Johnson: OK. Thank you, Madame Secretary.



Post 167.....can she escape her own comments? Actually deny who finally took credit.....knowing she hired them?
 
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I don't have to show more. The WH was involved, the WH did cover-up, and the WH did lie. All of which is plainly evident.
Involved doesn't equal lie and coverup. To convince, you need more.
 
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Actually, he used suspect information that supported a lot of other facts and so the suspect information became far more credible as a result. That wasn't Bush's doing.

No that us simply not true. And it was Bush and his people (note: you don't have Obama in the emails either. Just noting your inconsistency)
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

Actually, he used suspect information that supported a lot of other facts and so the suspect information became far more credible as a result. That wasn't Bush's doing.

No that is simply not true. And it was Bush and his people (note: you don't have Obama in the emails either. Just noting your inconsistency)
 
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Reasonable people can differ on that and I'm not sure it's worth trying to wrestle it to the ground. The point here is that BHO's people pushed a narrative that was both without evidence and politically advantageous. That looks bad, and the fact that this email had to be pried out long after the fact by Judicial Watch only adds to the appearance of hidden trickery. That's powerful poison in the current context of apparent foreign policy disarray.:peace

I'll accept looks bad. But not the the complete leap others are making.
 
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