• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that video w

Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

To date, the only thing that this investigation has revealed in terms of "wrongdoing" is that the Obama administration clearly lied about the motive for the attack. The obvious reason for that lie is because they were in the midst of a campaign and wanted to protect certain narratives but the reason doesn't really matter. They altered the talking points and this is now established fact.

So then... what should be the penalty for this offense? Is it even criminal?
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

notquiteright said:
Too much deflection to discuss... let's let's try... I NEVER said the weapons were in the Consulate- you are making crap up. I said the Consulate held the tac center, dso building and militia hq, not just the Ambassador's residence. The ambassador was there to meet a Turkish liaison on the weapons operation, he traveled without a security team because he didn't want one- his fatal mistake. The CIA 'rescue' team missed Ambassador Stevens- it was Libyans who rescued him, took him to a hospital.

Immediately after the mortars hit the roof of the annex, killing two men, and wounding several others- a Predator drone spotted a 'large mass of men' and the evac was on...

I'd love a link backing the need to have the Consulate in Benghazi because that is where Ghadaffi started... please include where it was the State dept who wanted that... that just seems so odd State wanted it but never manned it. It seems like putting a target in the middle of badguy country, not guarding it but the ambassador going in naked on a random visit and a two pronged very effective attack just happens to hit that night.

It was the CIA op that drew the attack and not the Ambassador....
Click to expand...

Not where Qadhafi started, where the rebellion against him started. Benghazi is where the ambassador first went ashore. The consulate was there at his insistence. The Turkish meeting had nothing to do with weapons. The ambassador was the target. There was no departure from the annex until relief forces arrived the next day.:peace
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

Jack Fabulous said:
To date, the only thing that this investigation has revealed in terms of "wrongdoing" is that the Obama administration clearly lied about the motive for the attack. The obvious reason for that lie is because they were in the midst of a campaign and wanted to protect certain narratives but the reason doesn't really matter. They altered the talking points and this is now established fact.

So then... what should be the penalty for this offense? Is it even criminal?
Click to expand...

Yes, yes. What difference, at this point, does it make? The lies are exposed well after the fact, just like all of the other lies we know of, and probably a host of lies we don't know of. Forced admissions after the fact of accomplished events seems to make little difference as any reverence for the truth is supplanted by a substitute reality.
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

American said:
Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that video was to blame – The Lead with Jake Tapper - CNN.com Blogs



Damn, this just won't go away will it?
Click to expand...

No, it pretty much has gone away.... people just bringing it up because they can not comprehend that the party is actually over. Some people just can't move forward. Progressives can move forward though.

Benghazi is heading for political obscurity along with the other dozen or so embassy attacks that resulted in death. Three years from now when you mention Benghazi at a cocktail party someone certainly will answer with ".... he was a pretty good thirdbaseman, but just could not hit in the clutch.. I'm glad the Mets traded him....."
 
Last edited:
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

bubbabgone said:
Well ... looks like they've chosen this approach ... hard to see what else they could do.

View attachment 67165608
Click to expand...

The Benghazi story will be part of the Obama legacy. He'll be remembered for one piece of bad legislation and not much else.
 
Last edited:
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

humbolt said:
Yes, yes. What difference, at this point, does it make? The lies are exposed well after the fact, just like all of the other lies we know of, and probably a host of lies we don't know of. Forced admissions after the fact of accomplished events seems to make little difference as any reverence for the truth is supplanted by a substitute reality.
Click to expand...
That wasn't what I was getting at.

What I am wondering is what exactly is the administration is guilty of? I'll leave it to others to argue the partisan aspects. I just want to know if what they actually did is a crime and if so, what are the consequences.
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

Jack Fabulous said:
That wasn't what I was getting at.

What I am wondering is what exactly is the administration is guilty of? I'll leave it to others to argue the partisan aspects. I just want to know if what they actually did is a crime and if so, what are the consequences.
Click to expand...

Nothing legally without a huge stretch, as far as I know. It would be better to check with a legal beagle on that, though. It could be that Obama's new lawyer will come in handy sooner rather than later.
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

Jack Hays said:
What complete, blithering hogwash. MM is looking at a smoking gun and calling it an incense candle.:peace
Click to expand...

I don't know what all the fuss is about... We all know what happened there... Just ask Chrissy:



That's it... End of story.

<sarcasm off>
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

radioman said:
The whole thing baffles me.
If the WH thought that a video was the cause and they were wrong.....so what?
Four Americans were killed in a war zone.
Security in Benghazi wasn't sufficient to fend off this attack.
Our security has been improved since the attack, hopefully.
Doubtful that the Prez's margin of victory was affected at all.:shrug:
Click to expand...



If ever there was an oversimplification coupled with gross insensitivity that's it.

"four Americans were killed in a war zone, so what"? Please drop in on the relatives of the deceased and mention that will you?

It helps to minimize the depth of the scandal to ignore the fact it was not, according to the White House, a "war zone".

It evades the fact the White House once again lied to it's people AND the international community losing more and more credibility. It obscures the fact that a diplomat was involved in CIA activities and that help was denied him and the other three Americans

It obscures all the facts actually.
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

upsideguy said:
No, it pretty much has gone away.... people just bringing it up because they can not comprehend that the party is actually over. Some people just can't move forward. Progressives can move forward though.

Benghazi is heading for political obscurity along with the other dozen or so embassy attacks that resulted in death. Three years from now when you mention Benghazi at a cocktail party someone certainly will answer with ".... he was a pretty good thirdbaseman, but just could not hit in the clutch.. I'm glad the Mets traded him....."
Click to expand...



Use of the word "party" kind of spells out where you're coming from.

It's been "old news" at every NEW revelation.....

The president lied, people died, so what?

The next time a president lies to cover a failed foreign policy more will die, and then it will maybe be the Republicans shouting "old news!"

Great country you want for yourself
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

Fearandloathing said:
If ever there was an oversimplification coupled with gross insensitivity that's it.

"four Americans were killed in a war zone, so what"? Please drop in on the relatives of the deceased and mention that will you?

It helps to minimize the depth of the scandal to ignore the fact it was not, according to the White House, a "war zone".

It evades the fact the White House once again lied to it's people AND the international community losing more and more credibility. It obscures the fact that a diplomat was involved in CIA activities and that help was denied him and the other three Americans

It obscures all the facts actually.
Click to expand...

Fearandloathing said:
Thanks, I needed a good laugh this morning
Click to expand...

Don't laugh, its true. Click on the embedded link below:

The Senate report also determined that "there were no efforts by the White House or any other Executive Branch entities to 'cover-up' facts or make alterations for political purposes" -- a reality that Fox has refused to accept.
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

pbrauer said:
Don't laugh, its true. Click on the embedded link below:

The Senate report also determined that "there were no efforts by the White House or any other Executive Branch entities to 'cover-up' facts or make alterations for political purposes" -- a reality that Fox has refused to accept.
Click to expand...

I wonder if they had access to the just released E-mails ?

Obama isn't Big on providing any corroborating data to incriminate himself.

They also concluded that the State Dept failed to respond to the growing threat from attacks. Failed to provide the needed security.

And you people think Hillary's competent to run the Country ?
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

radioman said:
Hey, mac.
Sorry about the delayed response.
I've been hanging out in the conspiracy forum....I'm a little woozy.
To your point....maybe at the time of the attack, that WAS the best info/guess they had.
The bad info was wrong.:shrug:
Click to expand...

But the bad info was put out after the President supposedly called it a terrorist attack (err, act of terror).
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

Boo Radley said:
I've been reading them. Explain what's new.
Click to expand...

What's new is that it shows White House involvement in formulating (editing) the talking points.
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

mac said:
What's new is that it shows White House involvement in formulating (editing) the talking points.
Click to expand...

Why would that be new? White staff is always involved, in every administration. This is how it works. I'm sorry, but in reading them I see nothing of any kind of new bombshell.
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

Boo Radley said:
Why would that be new? White staff is always involved, in every administration. This is how it works. I'm sorry, but in reading them I see nothing of any kind of new bombshell.
Click to expand...

No, " every administration" did not purposely mislead the American public about the Deaths of 4 Americans right before a election because it was too Politically risky to tell the truth.

We told you people Benghazzi went back to the WH almost immediately aftee it happened and we got " prove it did ".

Well, here's your proof
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

mac said:
What's new is that it shows White House involvement in formulating (editing) the talking points.
Click to expand...
I don't see anything wrong with that, the White House doesn't want to put a representative on TV that mistakes the known facts. That doesn't matter who the president happens to be, its common sense.
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

pbrauer said:
I don't see anything wrong with that, the White House doesn't want to put a representative on TV that mistakes the known facts. That doesn't matter who the president happens to be, its common sense.
Click to expand...

So why did the Obama administration do it ?

Why did they put Susan Rice up to her propaganda spreading 5 appearances ?

It wasn't factual and they knew it wasn't factual
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

Fenton said:
No, " every administration" did not purposely mislead the American public about the Deaths of 4 Americans right before a election because it was too Politically risky to tell the truth.

We told you people Benghazzi went back to the WH almost immediately aftee it happened and we got " prove it did ".

Well, here's your proof
Click to expand...

That hasn't been established. What they all do is shape the message. I see people asking questions, looking for the right way put it. For something that only lasted a little while before it was corrected, you will need a lot more than this.
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

Fenton said:
So why did the Obama administration do it ?

Why did they put Susan Rice up to her propaganda spreading 5 appearances ?

It wasn't factual and they knew it wasn't factual
Click to expand...
What exactly did Susan Rice say that wasn't factual? (be precise, I want to know the exact words used).
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

Boo Radley said:
Why would that be new? White staff is always involved, in every administration. This is how it works. I'm sorry, but in reading them I see nothing of any kind of new bombshell.
Click to expand...

Except that they denied being involved with crafting the talking points.
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

pbrauer said:
I don't see anything wrong with that, the White House doesn't want to put a representative on TV that mistakes the known facts. That doesn't matter who the president happens to be, its common sense.
Click to expand...

There wouldn't be anything wrong with it, other than it being a lie, had they not denied doing it.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom