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Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

Boo Radley said:
With less support than those who accuse Bush of lying. I can pull up a list of greater than 30 on Bush. Not accused, not suspected, but proven to be completely false from what said.
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Start a thread on it Boo... This one is about the Administration deceiving the American people for political gain.
 
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Boo Radley said:
No, it wasn't. It was doubted and selective information.
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Yes it was.....as he told 60 minutes that they believed they were looking to target Americans from the get go. That was despite the line on the investigation.
 
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Boo Radley said:
With less support than those who accuse Bush of lying. I can pull up a list of greater than 30 on Bush. Not accused, not suspected, but proven to be completely false from what said.
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Even if so...so what? Bush isn't President, and Bush had nothing to do with the subject matter.
 
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Boo Radley said:
No, it was doubted, selective, from untrustworthy sources, known to untrustworthy. You guys just hang on to it despite the evidence to the contrary.
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You're crossing streams. That comment was not about Bush.

And again, this thread has nothing to do with Bush.
 
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Grim17 said:
Don't fall for it!

Boo is attempting to steer the conversation in another direction... Don't allow him to do it.
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No, I'm making a valid comparison. My thesis is the partisan can only see in one direction. You prove it every day for me Grim. If you admit Bush lied, then I'll take claims of lying from you guys more seriously.
 
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mac said:
Even if so...so what? Bush isn't President, and Bush had nothing to do with the subject matter.
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Cmon Mac you know they carry that shield. They think it is a lucky talisman. :lol:
 
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mac said:
You're crossing streams. That comment was not about Bush.

And again, this thread has nothing to do with Bush.
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Didn't say it did. I simply said we have two cases where the facts didn't match the claims. You see one but are blind to the other.
 
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Boo Radley said:
No, I'm making a valid comparison. My thesis is the partisan can only see in one direction. You prove it every day for me Grim. If you admit Bush lied, then I'll take claims of lying from you guys more seriously.
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Sorry Boo... I'm still not falling for it.
 
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Grim17 said:
Sorry Boo... I'm still not falling for it.
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Of course not, because you know down deep that I'm right.
 
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Boo Radley said:
That may be, to a lessor degree. But no one who thinks Bush didn't lie can call Obama a liar here with credibility.
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More selective use of evidence than lying. Problem for BHO in this comparison is that GWB's crowd had some evidence to select -- found to be erroneous but at least extant -- while BHO's group just chose to ride an assumption without any evidence whatsoever. That puts the BHO bunch in a weaker position than the GWB group.:peace
 
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mac said:
Even if so...so what? Bush isn't President, and Bush had nothing to do with the subject matter.
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I want you to adjust your eye sight. This spin is far less grievous. So far I can't find a smoking gun. All you've claim is that because WH staff was involved in the talking points, you leap to Obama lied. I'm saying you need more. I can pile up the evidence on Bush. You won't except it. So why do you think that little you have justifies the leap?

Im offering a suggestion: partisan glasses.

If you have something more, present it. But I wanted then context clear, we have a precedence of what us required set by Bush supporters. Right?
 
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Boo Radley said:
Didn't say it did. I simply said we have two cases where the facts didn't match the claims. You see one but are blind to the other.
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I'm not blind to the other, I don't care about it. I care about what my President and his administration are doing.
 
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Boo Radley said:
I want you to adjust your eye sight. This spin is far less grievous. So far I can't find a smoking gun. All you've claim is that because WH staff was involved in the talking points, you leap to Obama lied. I'm saying you need more. I can pile up the evidence on Bush. You won't except it. So why do you think that little you have justifies the leap?

Im offering a suggestion: partisan glasses.

If you have something more, present it. But I wanted then context clear, we have a precedence of what us required set by Bush supporters. Right?
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I want you to focus on the issue at hand, rather than diverting. :shrug:
 
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Jack Hays said:
More selective use of evidence than lying. Problem for BHO in this comparison is that GWB's crowd had some evidence to select -- found to be erroneous but at least extant -- while BHO's group just chose to ride an assumption without any evidence whatsoever. That puts the BHO bunch in a weaker position than the GWB group.:peace
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One thing I actually agree with Mac on, if you get too selective, it's lying. I would say with Bush, the decided on an answer, and sought to make evidence fit it, regardless of how suspect the evidence. With Obama it was early, they may have reaching, but in short order it was corrected. The misinformation had no effect. Bush used that deception to actually create the situation that cost lives.

So on the whole, I can't rate Obama as worse or weaker.
 
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mac said:
I want you to focus on the issue at hand, rather than diverting. :shrug:
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Live explained that I am. It us the issue at hand, you are leaping where the evidence has taken us. And I've explained why I think that is.
 
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mac said:
I'm not blind to the other, I don't care about it. I care about what my President and his administration are doing.
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I know. And I've suggested why.

Look, all you have to do us show more than the WH was involved in talking points (which is common).
 
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Fearandloathing said:
Use of the word "party" kind of spells out where you're coming from.

It's been "old news" at every NEW revelation.....

The president lied, people died, so what?

The next time a president lies to cover a failed foreign policy more will die, and then it will maybe be the Republicans shouting "old news!"

Great country you want for yourself
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Sounds cute, but its a right wing crock. This has not been, nor is it now, a scandal, controversy or otherwise an issue. Its time for the right wing to actually develop an agenda based upon policy as their attempt to find scandal in the Obama administration is beyond laughable and heading for pathetic.

I live in a great country. If the Cons would start contributing instead of trying to sell con jobs, it would be even a better country.
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

Here's a tidbit for you all ...the latest findings, the smoking gun, proves that Ben Rhodes was behind orchestrating this lie and making sure everyone in all departments were on the same page. But what may surprise some, Ben Rhodes's brother is David Rhodes, head of CBS News. Remember the stories that came out a couple weeks ago about Sharyl Attkisson trying to get out of her contract at CBS because they refused to print or air her reports on Benghazi? Now we know why. It's a family affair.

CBS exec brother of WH official who edited Benghazi talking points | The Daily Caller
 
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bubbabgone said:
Well ... looks like they've chosen this approach ...
hard to see what else they could do.
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Boy was I wrong.
They came up with something unexpected.
They're saying the Rhodes Bengahzi talking point email wasn't about Benghazi.
Maybe major media was holding off on their coverage until they got THEIR talking point.
Now they have it.
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

Boo Radley said:
I know. And I've suggested why.

Look, all you have to do us show more than the WH was involved in talking points (which is common).
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I don't have to show more. The WH was involved, the WH did cover-up, and the WH did lie. All of which is plainly evident.
 
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Grim17 said:
Start a thread on it Boo... This one is about the Administration deceiving the American people for political gain.
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You have no evidence for the political gain BS.
 
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mac said:
I don't have to show more. The WH was involved, the WH did cover-up, and the WH did lie. All of which is plainly evident.
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The talking points were signed by David Petraeus the head of the CIA at the time.
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

Boo Radley said:
One thing I actually agree with Mac on, if you get too selective, it's lying. I would say with Bush, the decided on an answer, and sought to make evidence fit it, regardless of how suspect the evidence. With Obama it was early, they may have reaching, but in short order it was corrected. The misinformation had no effect. Bush used that deception to actually create the situation that cost lives.

So on the whole, I can't rate Obama as worse or weaker.
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Actually, he used suspect information that supported a lot of other facts and so the suspect information became far more credible as a result. That wasn't Bush's doing.
 
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vesper said:
Here's a tidbit for you all ...the latest findings, the smoking gun, proves that Ben Rhodes was behind orchestrating this lie and making sure everyone in all departments were on the same page. But what may surprise some, Ben Rhodes's brother is David Rhodes, head of CBS News. Remember the stories that came out a couple weeks ago about Sharyl Attkisson trying to get out of her contract at CBS because they refused to print or air her reports on Benghazi? Now we know why. It's a family affair.

CBS exec brother of WH official who edited Benghazi talking points | The Daily Caller
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Very cool.
Unfortunately, that crap is not unusual.
Incest with broadcast news divisions and the Democrat Party has been happening for decades.
 
Re: Newly released Benghazi documents reinforce that White House was pushing that vid

Boo Radley said:
One thing I actually agree with Mac on, if you get too selective, it's lying. I would say with Bush, the decided on an answer, and sought to make evidence fit it, regardless of how suspect the evidence. With Obama it was early, they may have reaching, but in short order it was corrected. The misinformation had no effect. Bush used that deception to actually create the situation that cost lives.

So on the whole, I can't rate Obama as worse or weaker.
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Reasonable people can differ on that and I'm not sure it's worth trying to wrestle it to the ground. The point here is that BHO's people pushed a narrative that was both without evidence and politically advantageous. That looks bad, and the fact that this email had to be pried out long after the fact by Judicial Watch only adds to the appearance of hidden trickery. That's powerful poison in the current context of apparent foreign policy disarray.:peace
 
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