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Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'[W:196]

Re: Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'

One doesn't need a course necessarily, one just needs to make sure they understand safety which is easy and only requires a bit of common sense. Don't point until ready to shoot, don't point at anything you don't want to shoot, don't put a finger on the trigger until ready to shoot, check the chamber when in doubt, and always know the location and accessibility of your firearm to insure that children and irresponsible people cannot access them. Follow those basics and no one will be hurt.

One don't necessarily need a course in driving either. Small skinny pedal makes you go, fat one makes you stop. But we still offer the education to everyone, we even require that kids attend such classes. While I know that not everyone would need a safety course, there ain't no harm if we offer it standard in High School.
 
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I agree with this. Let the consumer decide....not the NRA.

The problem is that ultimately, if this is not stopped, it will be neither the consumer nor the NRA that will get to decide, but government. The same government that nearly always sides with criminals and tyrants, and against honest citizens, any time the right to keep and bear arms is involved.
 
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Gun owners 100% should take a safety course or sorts. I'm hesitant to say it's mandatory though because then nothing really stops the government from charging 1200/course and only offering it once a year on Christmas. Though if we wanted to say that gun safety and handling should be a standard high school course like driver's ed, then I'd be down for that. Educate everyone.

Yeah, mandatory might have been too strong a word on a gun forum. In retrospect I probably should have used 'pre-requisite'. Gun courses don't have to be through the government....but certain standards should apply.

I don't have a problem with teaching gun safety in public schools...but then that would be through the government.
 
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Yeah, mandatory might have been too strong a word on a gun forum. In retrospect I probably should have used 'pre-requisite'. Gun courses don't have to be through the government....but certain standards should apply.

I don't have a problem with teaching gun safety in public schools...but then that would be through the government.

It could be, but government isn't necessarily universally a dirty word. If it was standard with education, then it's part and parcel with the lot and would require relatively no additional work on the side of the individual. I suppose there are always concerns of indoctrination and such, but I would see a gun ed course as being very similar to the driver ed course, at least ideally.
 
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I like the idea. Women who have kids won't purse carry for fear of their little ones getting to it.
 
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The problem is that ultimately, if this is not stopped, it will be neither the consumer nor the NRA that will get to decide, but government. The same government that nearly always sides with criminals and tyrants, and against honest citizens, any time the right to keep and bear arms is involved.
So are you proposing a new gun ban? Because that's what it looks like.


I'm not really convinced that citizens are any more honest than the government.
 
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If the "gun enthusiasts" made reasonable explanations as to why the smart gun might not be a great idea, that would be one thing. These particular ones are resorting to nothing but thuggish intimidation and harassment.

There is none so blind as he who will not see.
 
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There is none so blind as he who will not see.

Thanks for the contribution. Care to address what I actually said our just spout off platitudes?
 
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The problem is that ultimately, if this is not stopped, it will be neither the consumer nor the NRA that will get to decide, but government. The same government that nearly always sides with criminals and tyrants, and against honest citizens, any time the right to keep and bear arms is involved.

We should ban blank rounds, since the government could just decide to mandate that all rounds have to be blank rounds.
 
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We should ban blank rounds, since the government could just decide to mandate that all rounds have to be blank rounds.

:confused:
 
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Sure they do, and I hope it is a massive failure because it's a very stupid idea that endangers people. This thing is the Ford Edsel of firearms.

Not really a fair comparison. The Edsel wasn't a failure because it was in inherently bad product; it was a failure because the market for automobiles shifted in a different direction, at that time, than Ford anticipated. The Edsel was a big, elegant, luxurious car, at a time when consumers were trending toward smaller, more practical cars.

Nevertheless, this “smart gun” is a product that more richly deserves the Edsel's fate:

 
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Not really a fair comparison. The Edsel wasn't a failure because it was in inherently bad product; it was a failure because the market for automobiles shifted in a different direction, at that time, than Ford anticipated. The Edsel was a big, elegant, luxurious car, at a time when consumers were trending toward smaller, more practical cars.

Nevertheless, this “smart gun” is a product that more richly deserves the Edsel's fate:

And the Edsel's fate came about because people didn't buy the cars. If the smart gun is bad tech, people won't buy it.
 
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I didn't see you on the page at all.
My personal settings are set to display 100 posts per-page. My first post is #93 in that thread, which to me appears on the first page of that thread.
 
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No, it's called a fact. You see, the vast majority of gun owners take the ownership responsibility to ensure access is limited. What many control advocates want is to restrict everyone because of those who either illegally possess guns or are careless which is a distinct minority...

It is not possible to “illegally” own a gun in this nation, unless you stole it. The Second Amendment, which is part of the highest law of the land, affirms a right of all free Americans to keep and bear arms, and forbids government from infringing this right. It is government that is acting illegally, when it enacts, upholds, and enforces laws which violate this right, and it is those who willingly take part in this enactment and enforcement who are the truest of criminals.
 
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It is not possible to “illegally” own a gun in this nation, unless you stole it. The Second Amendment, which is part of the highest law of the land, affirms a right of all free Americans to keep and bear arms, and forbids government from infringing this right. It is government that is acting illegally, when it enacts, upholds, and enforces laws which violate this right, and it is those who willingly take part in this enactment and enforcement who are the truest of criminals.

Whatever, get a life. I believe you know what I mean...
 
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Then prove it.



I think gun safety courses should be mandatory to buying and owning a gun and I seriously doubt the majority of gun owners ever took one.

Of course you do. That's yet another way for a corrupt government to violate the most essential of Constitutional rights, by imposing an arbitrary training requirement, and then making that training difficult and/or expensive to obtain. Those on your side can always be counted on to support any way that government can violate the people's rights, under the fraudulent guise of “safety”.
 
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No, it's called a fact. You see, the vast majority of gun owners take the ownership responsibility to ensure access is limited. What many control advocates want is to restrict everyone because of those who either illegally possess guns or are careless which is a distinct minority...
It can be a fact and anecdotal.
 
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It is not possible to “illegally” own a gun in this nation, unless you stole it. The Second Amendment, which is part of the highest law of the land, affirms a right of all free Americans to keep and bear arms, and forbids government from infringing this right. It is government that is acting illegally, when it enacts, upholds, and enforces laws which violate this right, and it is those who willingly take part in this enactment and enforcement who are the truest of criminals.

I assume that means you're OK with convicted felons, even violent ones, having access to firearms.
 
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Thanks for the contribution. Care to address what I actually said our just spout off platitudes?

I quoted you in the post to which you were replying. Your reply simply seems to reaffirm what I was saying.
 
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My personal settings are set to display 100 posts per-page. My first post is #93 in that thread, which to me appears on the first page of that thread.

You must have an incredibly fast computer. Mine is set to 10 posts per page...and....you are on page 10. No wonder I didn't see you. But now that I have.....I see you have overwhelmed the opponent with links to stats. But I don't consider that bullying...just a poor debate tactic. So what do you do when someone actually challenges your overwhelming data with other factual data? If I recall you just walk away. Again, I don't consider that bullying, either. Congratulations, you pass the non-bully test, Jerry. ;)
 
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'Gun enthusiasts' threaten woman for selling a safer gun

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/us/politics/smart-firearm-draws-wrath-of-the-gun-lobby.html?_r=0

Posted a couple of links. How sad is it that the NRA opposes technology that would limit the usage of handguns?

In the words of the NRA, this might lead to "opening the door to a ban on all guns that do not possess the government-required technology."

Except that no one at this point is even suggesting this technology be government mandated. Given the millions of legal guns currently in circulation, I am not even certain that such a requirement could even be technically or logistically feasible, let alone desirable.

But... leaving that aside for a moment, how deluded are people if they think that this is the beginning of some kind of gun-armageddon? No one is suggesting you give up normal guns, no one is suggesting that we get rid of them. This is just one way of protecting people from gun-related accidents and tragedies. In the words of the Daily Kos article,

you are ignorant as to what is going on. Every couple years someone has some "safer" gun and the anti gun assholes in office quickly bray that all guns should be "as safe". I tire of people who have no understanding of proper tactical firearms use in a civilian environment piping up about stuff that is a wet dream for gun banners
 
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One don't necessarily need a course in driving either. Small skinny pedal makes you go, fat one makes you stop. But we still offer the education to everyone, we even require that kids attend such classes. While I know that not everyone would need a safety course, there ain't no harm if we offer it standard in High School.
I have no issues with a school program, in fact those used to be offered years ago as shooting clubs. I only worry when someone then wants to extend the logic past what it is and require that and license people towards their rights.
 
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