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Well the cat is out of the bag.....we are now Bluntly telling Putin will go after his defense industry? What do you think.....can we affect their Defense industry? Say we can.....does anyone think Russia will not retaliate in a major way? What do you think the outcome coming from this will be?
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The next round of US sanctions against Moscow over Ukraine will target Russia's defense industry as well as individuals and companies close to President Vladimir Putin, a senior US official said Sunday.

"Starting this week, in coordination with our allies and partners, we'll be exerting additional pressure on the people closest to him, the companies they control, the defense industry. All of this," deputy national security adviser Tony Blinken said on CNN's State of the Union.

In a separate interview with CBS's "Face the Nation," Blinken said high technology exports to the Russian defense industry would be affected.

"It is important for us to take further steps sending a message to Russia that these kinds of destabilizing activities taking place in Ukraine have to stop," Obama said in Kuala Lumpur.

Instead, he said Washington would focus economic aid to Kiev, with an estimated $37 billion being rounded up by Washington, the IMF, World Bank and others.....snip~

Sanctions to target Russia's defense industry, others: US
 
MMC said:
Well the cat is out of the bag.....we are now Bluntly telling Putin will go after his defense industry? What do you think.....can we affect their Defense industry? Say we can.....does anyone think Russia will not retaliate in a major way? What do you think the outcome coming from this will be?
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The next round of US sanctions against Moscow over Ukraine will target Russia's defense industry as well as individuals and companies close to President Vladimir Putin, a senior US official said Sunday.

"Starting this week, in coordination with our allies and partners, we'll be exerting additional pressure on the people closest to him, the companies they control, the defense industry. All of this," deputy national security adviser Tony Blinken said on CNN's State of the Union.

In a separate interview with CBS's "Face the Nation," Blinken said high technology exports to the Russian defense industry would be affected.

"It is important for us to take further steps sending a message to Russia that these kinds of destabilizing activities taking place in Ukraine have to stop," Obama said in Kuala Lumpur.

Instead, he said Washington would focus economic aid to Kiev, with an estimated $37 billion being rounded up by Washington, the IMF, World Bank and others.....snip~

Sanctions to target Russia's defense industry, others: US
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it wont affect russia,most countries that can afford american equipment already buy it or design their own equivilents,and those that rely on russian equipment will not put their country at risk over an embargo.


russian equipment is mostly inferior in accuracy,but is superior in reliability.russia intentionally designed them that crudely,because russia is surrounded by some of the harshest extremes,from freezing tundras to arid deserts.many countries buy russian goods because of cost or because their environment requires a crudely designed reliable but functional piece of machinery.


many countries rely on russian equipment,and would probably sever ties with the us and allied countries before obeying such an embargo that disadvantages them,but not those who imposed it.
 
beerftw said:
it wont affect russia,most countries that can afford american equipment already buy it or design their own equivilents,and those that rely on russian equipment will not put their country at risk over an embargo.


russian equipment is mostly inferior in accuracy,but is superior in reliability.russia intentionally designed them that crudely,because russia is surrounded by some of the harshest extremes,from freezing tundras to arid deserts.many countries buy russian goods because of cost or because their environment requires a crudely designed reliable but functional piece of machinery.


many countries rely on russian equipment,and would probably sever ties with the us and allied countries before obeying such an embargo that disadvantages them,but not those who imposed it.
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Heya Beerftw. :2wave: So you don't think it will affect their defense industry much, huh? Well if that is the case then Putin wont even worry about such open threats.
 
MMC said:
Heya Beerftw. :2wave: So you don't think it will affect their defense industry much, huh? Well if that is the case then Putin wont even worry about such open threats.
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other sanctions were more effective,remember even during the cold war,with all the trade restrictions against the soviet union,its defense industry thrived,even if its other sectors failed.

unlike most of what russia offers that can be gotten elsewhere,russias military equipment is unique,and in high demand,meaning reguardless of embargos and sanctions,they will still sell,while the rest of their economy will suffer.but in doing such sanctions we risk hurting us allies who rely on such equipment,that we cant compete with,because our equipment targets an entirely different audience than the russians.
 
MMC said:
Heya Beerftw. :2wave: So you don't think it will affect their defense industry much, huh? Well if that is the case then Putin wont even worry about such open threats.
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The US is also mobilizing armored vehicles from the US, and many speculate they are going to europe. We shall see.
 
US Conservative said:
The US is also mobilizing armored vehicles from the US, and many speculate they are going to europe. We shall see.
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Mornin' USC. :2wave: I sure hope not.....we are already looking to give the Ukraine 37 Billion. We shouldn't be giving up all this money and not when we need it ourselves. I just hope more and more people keep watching the money he throws out overseas.

Already Putin is costing us more than what the Europeans are putting out.
 
I can't imagine why anyone thinks a power hungry, nationalistic dictator with the upper hand will be deterred by sanctions. Common sense should tell the people in Washington that. Either stop him by force or let him have his way. I don't think anyone is going to talk him out of what he wants.
 
fmw said:
I can't imagine why anyone thinks a power hungry, nationalistic dictator with the upper hand will be deterred by sanctions. Common sense should tell the people in Washington that. Either stop him by force or let him have his way. I don't think anyone is going to talk him out of what he wants.
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Heya Fmw :2wave: ......well there is no more talks really going on now. As Putin stopped all talks with Obama. Hagels counterpart too. Leaving just Kerry and Lavrov who keep clashing and upping the rhetoric.
 
beerftw said:
other sanctions were more effective,remember even during the cold war,with all the trade restrictions against the soviet union,its defense industry thrived,even if its other sectors failed.

unlike most of what russia offers that can be gotten elsewhere,russias military equipment is unique,and in high demand,meaning reguardless of embargos and sanctions,they will still sell,while the rest of their economy will suffer.but in doing such sanctions we risk hurting us allies who rely on such equipment,that we cant compete with,because our equipment targets an entirely different audience than the russians.
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What are you talking about? It isn't unique and it isn't in particularly high demand. Russia's status as a major arms exporter has declined since the fall of the Soviet Union due to the collapse of client states. The entire Warsaw Pact is now in NATO for crying out loud. Furthermore the sanctions are aimed at high technology sectors which feed into the Russian defense industry, not the defense industry itself.
 
MMC said:
Heya Fmw :2wave: ......well there is no more talks really going on now. As Putin stopped all talks with Obama. Hagels counterpart too. Leaving just Kerry and Lavrov who keep clashing and upping the rhetoric.
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The old saw does not say that the best offense is a good defense. Glad they aren't wasting time. Apparently they have decided to let Putin have Eastern Ukraine.
 
fmw said:
The old saw does not say that the best offense is a good defense. Glad they aren't wasting time. Apparently they have decided to let Putin have Eastern Ukraine.
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Why, has there been some announcement. I haven't had anything up on it yet.
 
MMC said:
Why, has there been some announcement. I haven't had anything up on it yet.
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Because they haven't done anything that might turn Putin back. I didn't say they announced anything. They just behave in a manner that says to me they aren't going prevent the take over of Eastern Ukraine. What they are doing is meaningless. It is domestic politics, not international relations.
 
Sherman123 said:
What are you talking about? It isn't unique and it isn't in particularly high demand. Russia's status as a major arms exporter has declined since the fall of the Soviet Union due to the collapse of client states. The entire Warsaw Pact is now in NATO for crying out loud. Furthermore the sanctions are aimed at high technology sectors which feed into the Russian defense industry, not the defense industry itself.
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they still sell quite a few arms,especially to poor countries,if you had actually seen the world,most of it uses russian arms,either because it was cheaper,or because they used them for so long they were familiar with them,and unless any country has a massive r&d budget to create their own arms,or the money to buy us or nato arms,russian arms are going to be their choice,cheap,reliable,effective,they wont win any awards for being superior,but they will be reliable.
 
Russia has honored its promise not to provide Iran with the state of the art S-300 air defense system, because of sanctions on Iran. Now Russia finds itself in the same boat as Iran. Now my question is will this anger Russia to the point it sells the air defense system to Iran along with possibly 100 or more modern fighter jets?
 
fmw said:
Because they haven't done anything that might turn Putin back. I didn't say they announced anything. They just behave in a manner that says to me they aren't going prevent the take over of Eastern Ukraine. What they are doing is meaningless. It is domestic politics, not international relations.
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Oh okay.....I thought there might have been announcement. Yeah.....I don't think there is much any can do to prevent it.
 
MMC said:
Mornin' USC. :2wave: I sure hope not.....we are already looking to give the Ukraine 37 Billion. We shouldn't be giving up all this money and not when we need it ourselves. I just hope more and more people keep watching the money he throws out overseas.

Already Putin is costing us more than what the Europeans are putting out.
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Indeed. I say let europe take care of itself.
 
Sherman123 said:
What are you talking about? It isn't unique and it isn't in particularly high demand. Russia's status as a major arms exporter has declined since the fall of the Soviet Union due to the collapse of client states. The entire Warsaw Pact is now in NATO for crying out loud. Furthermore the sanctions are aimed at high technology sectors which feed into the Russian defense industry, not the defense industry itself.
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Untrue, Russia's weapon exports have increased every year but one since 2001. Last year alone was over 13 billion. Thats not small potato's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_industry_of_Russia#Exports
 
fmw said:
I can't imagine why anyone thinks a power hungry, nationalistic dictator with the upper hand will be deterred by sanctions. Common sense should tell the people in Washington that. Either stop him by force or let him have his way. I don't think anyone is going to talk him out of what he wants.
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Putin depends on the support of the Russian people and they want economic growth. If we deny him this he will either cave or be deposed.
 
iguanaman said:
Putin depends on the support of the Russian people and they want economic growth. If we deny him this he will either cave or be deposed.
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So you think the best offense is a good defense. We'll just disagree on that.
 
US Conservative said:
Untrue, Russia's weapon exports have increased every year but one since 2001. Last year alone was over 13 billion. Thats not small potato's.

Defense industry of Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Re-read what I said 'Russia's status as a major arms exporter has declined since the fall of the Soviet Union due to the collapse of client states.'. From being the armory of the entire Warsaw Pact, North Korea, Ethiopia, Iraq, Egypt, and vast swathes of Africa to what it is now is a massive decline. The amount of countries dependent on Russian arms imports has dramatically dwindled and they are largely replaceable.
 
Sherman123 said:
Re-read what I said 'Russia's status as a major arms exporter has declined since the fall of the Soviet Union due to the collapse of client states.'. From being the armory of the entire Warsaw Pact, North Korea, Ethiopia, Iraq, Egypt, and vast swathes of Africa to what it is now is a massive decline. The amount of countries dependent on Russian arms imports has dramatically dwindled and they are largely replaceable.
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And my point was that its STILL one of the largest arms exporters on earth.
 
What exactly has Russia done to warrant this latest round of sanctions? According to the OP source they are specifically in response to...
"It is important for us to take further steps sending a message to Russia that these kinds of destabilizing activities taking place in Ukraine have to stop," Obama said in Kuala Lumpur.
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"Destabilizing activities". Sounds like a deliberately vague term tossed out there to avoid calling out specific actions. Actions which we, perhaps, are just as guilty of?

Nah... couldn't be.:roll:
 
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