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Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Tells Girlfriend: Don't bring Black People to My Games

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As a long time NBA fan, this is not surprising to me. Sterling has always been a real POS. What is up with her recording private conversations though? I was under the impression that Cali was a 2-party consent state.
 
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As a long time NBA fan, this is not surprising to me. Sterling has always been a real POS. What is up with her recording private conversations though? I was under the impression that Cali was a 2-party consent state.

It is a 2-party consent state. The gold digger broke the law a bit in her effort to extort money out of her old boyfriend.
 
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As a long time NBA fan, this is not surprising to me. Sterling has always been a real POS. What is up with her recording private conversations though? I was under the impression that Cali was a 2-party consent state.
Extortion?
 
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The NBA Constitution and Bylaws is not a public document. There is a 2009 version available online, but that is not necessarily the latest version. Hence, there is no assurance that the League does not have more latitude than what that older document suggests.

So, you believe that in 2010, the NBA may have changed their constitution to allow an owner to be forced to sell their team if they offend someone. Possible... I guess... But very unlikely.
 
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It is a 2-party consent state. The gold digger broke the law a bit in her effort to extort money out of her old boyfriend.

Such a mess. No matter how this ends up playing out, it's still a giant mess.

If nothing happens, a lot of fans are upset and attendance will probably drop, Clippers players are upset and probably won't resign, team sponsors are lost, the entire league has egg on it's face. On the other hand, if the other owners allow a huge fine/suspension or use other means to try and force him out, they are setting a dangerous precedent that could someday come back to bite THEM if they ever say something non-PC.

I also have to wonder how that would play out legally if they tried. Seems to me that some serious anti-trust stuff could come into play... I mean come on... A group boycott among competitors who collectively have monopoly power, to force another competitor out of business?... that seems super sketchy.

Very unfortunate all around. That team is finally winning and is fun to watch, and now this threatens to put them right back where they have been for decades. :doh
 
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Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Blasts ‘Sleazy’ Media Glee Over Sterling’s Private Racism

Interesting take from Kareem.

Abdul-Jabbar blasts media over Sterling's racism | The Daily Caller

Some snips:


NBA legend Kareem Abdul-Jabbar attacked the collective outrage emanating from America’s media over Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling’s alleged racist remarks, calling the publication of a private conversation “sleazy” and wondering why earlier, more public manifestations of racism failed to similarly shock.

In an op-ed published in Time, Abdul-Jabbar explains that we’re witnessing a veritable “finger-wagging Olympics . . . all over the latest in a long line of rich white celebrities to come out of the racist closet.”

“Yes, I’m angry, too,” Abdul-Jabbar admits, “but not just about the sins of Donald Sterling. I’ve got a list.”


"Finger wagging Olympics" - great description.


And speaking of the news media? “They caught big game on a slow news day,” Abdul-Jabbar explained, “so they put his head on a pike, dubbed him Lord of the Flies, and danced around him whooping.”


(There are lots of rants about Sterling's girlfriend and what she did to him throughout)


Abdul-Jabbar, perhaps channeling his closet libertarianism, also blasted the fact that Sterling’s private conversation — however racist — was suddenly broadcast nationwide.

“Didn’t we just call to task the NSA for intruding into American citizen’s privacy in such an un-American way?” he asked, comparing the secret tape-recording to Mitt Romney’s embarrassing 47 percent remark, recorded without the then-candidate’s knowledge.

“The making and release of this tape is so sleazy that just listening to it makes me feel like an accomplice to the crime,” Abdul-Jabbar fumed. “We didn’t steal the cake but we’re all gorging ourselves on it.”

 
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Extortion?

After listening to the extended version I have to pretty much agree with that. She was definitely pushing the issue.

I'm just curious if she is going to get busted for it, and what the punishment might be for illegal wiretapping or whatever applies. As ****ty as his statements were, he didn't do anything illegal, but it seems as though she DID since Cali is definitely a 2-party consent state. Pretty stupid for her to go public with the tapes (if it was actually in fact her that did so).
 
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Such a mess. No matter how this ends up playing out, it's still a giant mess.

If nothing happens, a lot of fans are upset and attendance will probably drop, Clippers players are upset and probably won't resign, team sponsors are lost, the entire league has egg on it's face. On the other hand, if the other owners allow a huge fine/suspension or use other means to try and force him out, they are setting a dangerous precedent that could someday come back to bite THEM if they ever say something non-PC.

I also have to wonder how that would play out legally if they tried. Seems to me that some serious anti-trust stuff could come into play... I mean come on... A group boycott among competitors who collectively have monopoly power, to force another competitor out of business?... that seems super sketchy.

Very unfortunate all around. That team is finally winning and is fun to watch, and now this threatens to put them right back where they have been for decades. :doh

I have a very hard time supporting the notion of any penalty or fine against Sterling because of what he said in private. It's a very slippery slope to do that. I still value privacy and his was violated. Once upon a time privacy was also important to people - in fact, they trot it out when it supports talking points but ignore it when it's Sterling.

It is a mess and it's sad. It shouldn't be a mess. The PC police are over the top on this one. Do we plan to tar and feather every person from now on who says anything against a group of people? Doubtful.

This is the man's property. It scares me that people are actually suggesting taking away his property because of something he said in private which was illegally taped without his consent.
 
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After listening to the extended version I have to pretty much agree with that. She was definitely pushing the issue.

I'm just curious if she is going to get busted for it, and what the punishment might be for illegal wiretapping or whatever applies. As ****ty as his statements were, he didn't do anything illegal, but it seems as though she DID since Cali is definitely a 2-party consent state. Pretty stupid for her to go public with the tapes (if it was actually in fact her that did so).

ITA. I asked yesterday if it came out yet how TMZ got the tape. Did she sell it (or someone else)?

Hugh Hefner has no doubt called her for her Playboy shoot by now (Octomom is busy with welfare fraud ;)).
 
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"Finger wagging Olympics" - great description.

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In response to the Donald Sterling incident, Charles Barkley said "....We can't have an NBA owner discriminating against a league — we're a black league." Maybe so, but what do you think would happen to someone like Wayne Gretzky if he theoretically made a comment stating that the NHL is a white league. Statistically, that statement would be more far more accurate than Barkley's claim. But you can be sure that Gretzky would be labeled a racist and expected to attend racial sensitivity classes.

Great minds think alike....if I do say so myself. I was watching "The Five" last night on Fox News Channel and Greg Gutfeld made the exact same comparison.
 
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Great minds think alike....if I do say so myself. I was watching "The Five" last night on Fox News Channel and Greg Gutfeld made the exact same comparison.

They'd have Gretzky's head for even thinking such a thing. See, now it's no longer actions that count. You can't even think your own thoughts without being called on it.

Political correctness gone mad. Unreal.
 
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That is a great commerical.

When he stuffs the kid's cereal at the store I lol every time. "No no no". Haha. So good.

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I kept reading the word "given" in the first sentence for some reason. Why is the RW so hung up on political correctness?
They'd have Gretzky's head for even thinking such a thing. See, now it's no longer actions that count. You can't even think your own thoughts without being called on it.

Political correctness gone mad. Unreal.
 
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After listening to the extended version I have to pretty much agree with that. She was definitely pushing the issue.

I'm just curious if she is going to get busted for it, and what the punishment might be for illegal wiretapping or whatever applies. As ****ty as his statements were, he didn't do anything illegal, but it seems as though she DID since Cali is definitely a 2-party consent state. Pretty stupid for her to go public with the tapes (if it was actually in fact her that did so).
Wiretapping? Not really. But, what she did is exactly what some person did at a Romney event, taping a conversation. I'm not sure it's legal or illegal. I'm guessing that would be defined by local or state laws?
 
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She broke the CA law.

California | Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press

California
Date: August 1, 2012
Summary of statute(s): In California, all parties to any confidential conversation must give their consent to be recorded. This applies whether the recording is done face-to-face or intercepted through some electronic communication such as a cell phone call or series of e-mail or text messages. Both civil and criminal penalties are available to victims of illegal recordings. Further, the state’s so-called “anti-paparazzi” legislation sets fines for, among other things, trespassing on private property with the intent of capturing photos. The state’s vehicle code similarly penalizes those who interfere with drivers of vehicles in pursuit of images or sound recordings.
 
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So do we have to unknow what we know?
She broke the CA law.

California | Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press

California
Date: August 1, 2012
Summary of statute(s): In California, all parties to any confidential conversation must give their consent to be recorded. This applies whether the recording is done face-to-face or intercepted through some electronic communication such as a cell phone call or series of e-mail or text messages. Both civil and criminal penalties are available to victims of illegal recordings. Further, the state’s so-called “anti-paparazzi” legislation sets fines for, among other things, trespassing on private property with the intent of capturing photos. The state’s vehicle code similarly penalizes those who interfere with drivers of vehicles in pursuit of images or sound recordings.
 
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She broke the CA law.

California | Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press

California
Date: August 1, 2012
Summary of statute(s): In California, all parties to any confidential conversation must give their consent to be recorded. This applies whether the recording is done face-to-face or intercepted through some electronic communication such as a cell phone call or series of e-mail or text messages. Both civil and criminal penalties are available to victims of illegal recordings. Further, the state’s so-called “anti-paparazzi” legislation sets fines for, among other things, trespassing on private property with the intent of capturing photos. The state’s vehicle code similarly penalizes those who interfere with drivers of vehicles in pursuit of images or sound recordings.

I heard a report that he asked her to record their conversations because he forgot things he told her. I guess he and she can answer those questions in a court of law if he wishes to persue the matter.
 
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Wiretapping? Not really.

That's actually exactly what it is...

"If you are operating in California, you should always get the consent of all parties before recording any conversation that common sense tells you might be "private" or "confidential." In addition to subjecting you to criminal prosecution, violating the California wiretapping law can expose you to a civil lawsuit for damages by an injured party. See Cal. Penal Code § 637.2."

Source: California Recording Law | Digital Media Law Project

But, what she did is exactly what some person did at a Romney event, taping a conversation. I'm not sure it's legal or illegal. I'm guessing that would be defined by local or state laws?

State law. Federal law is 1-party consent, but 11 states have 2-party consent that trumps the federal, California being 1 of those 11.
 
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I heard a report that he asked her to record their conversations because he forgot things he told her. I guess he and she can answer those questions in a court of law if he wishes to persue the matter.

Oh. Well that is definitely interesting and majorly changes things if it's true.
 
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That's actually exactly what it is...

"If you are operating in California, you should always get the consent of all parties before recording any conversation that common sense tells you might be "private" or "confidential." In addition to subjecting you to criminal prosecution, violating the California wiretapping law can expose you to a civil lawsuit for damages by an injured party. See Cal. Penal Code § 637.2."

Source: California Recording Law | Digital Media Law Project



State law. Federal law is 1-party consent, but 11 states have 2-party consent that trumps the federal, California being 1 of those 11.

Isn't that what I typed?

I'm not sure it's legal or illegal. I'm guessing that would be defined by local or state laws?

I know nothing about California laws.
 
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The cat is out of the bag anyway. The only difference it wil make is charging his so called girlfriend with an offense or not.
 
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Isn't that what I typed?

You put a question mark at the end, so I was answering what I thought was your question.

I know nothing about California laws.

Neither do I, but google is my friend.
 
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You put a question mark at the end, so I was answering what I thought was your question.



Neither do I, but google is my friend.

Yeah, I Google too, when I need to.
So, she illegally recorded his conversation. Well the cat's out of the bag now. What's his defense in all this? He is being very quiet about it.
 
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