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4 Alabama counties have more active, registered voters than adult population

Statistically that makes absolutely no sense.

You claim there are "lots of reasons" but offer but one weak explanation and then write it off because Romney won.

I would have thought voter fraud is voter fraud, and this is voter fraud,

Period, the puck is in the net.

It also rather matters regardless of the state outcome given that NY just signed on to the "Agreement Among the States to Elect the President by National Popular Vote" movement.

This voter fraud adds to the popular vote tally no matter where the votes are cast. Voter fraud in Oregon can now decide where NY will cast their Electoral votes.
 
It also rather matters regardless of the state outcome given that NY just signed on to the "Agreement Among the States to Elect the President by National Popular Vote" movement.

This voter fraud adds to the popular vote tally no matter where the votes are cast. Voter fraud in Oregon can now decide where NY will cast their Electoral votes.

Until an amendment such as that passes, it matters not. I'm waiting for a Republican to get more popular votes and then lose the electoral college. Most of you will suddenly change your tune.

In this case, Romney won Alabama comfortably. So those electoral votes did not affect the outcome of the Presidential election at all because even if proven, these allegations wouldn't change anything.
 
That is only because there are so many evil racists (who are all white Republicans) in Alabama. There is no such thing as voter fraud. Ever Ever. Elections are so important that people will spend upwards of a billion dollars apiece winning them, because they control the dispensation of government largesse for years, and critical policy decisions which highly motivate dedicated interest groups and demographics, but despite the willingness to engage in massive smear campaigns, attacks, gerrymandering, and poll-booth movement, no one has ever, ever thought about how it would be easier simply to tilt the vote. Ever Ever.

Check the overall results in Alabama. Tell me who got the electoral votes.

Now tell me if you're unhappy with the outcome.
 
>" Mayor Daley already had a reputation for stuffing ballot boxes and giving ward bosses and precinct captains vote quotas. Two recounts of Chicago-area voting later showed that Democrats had likely stolen tens of thousands of votes, but most were in the Cook County state's attorney race.

Between classes at the University of Chicago and into the night, sometimes until 2 a.m., Schiller joined other members of Wexler's team to conduct interviews and cull through ballots and election judges' tallies. When Schiller misplaced a draft of a report, a supervisor feared someone had broken in and stolen it.

Wexler's report, issued in April 1961, found "substantial" miscounts in the 1,367 precincts it examined, including unqualified voters, misread voting machines and math mistakes. In one precinct, voters asked where to deposit tickets for a drawing for hams. In another, a precinct captain handed out slips of paper entitling voters to free lunches.

Wexler brought contempt charges against 667 election officials, but the cases were dismissed by a Democratic judge. Three people were convicted on criminal charges.

Schiller thinks now that a Democratic "mechanism was in place" to make sure that party's candidates won — not just in the presidential race, but in local contests. As for the Kennedy-Nixon results in Illinois, he says, "looking at the margin of victory, it's very hard to believe that there wasn't at least a significant likelihood that the outcome would have been different in the state."..."<

Chicago ties cast shadow on 1960 presidential win - USATODAY.com

You could say there's a chance about almost every election.

It's almost 60 years ago. Get over it. It's not like the nation was a Utopian vision of perfect when Nixon did get his chance.
 
Whatever the liberal defense is for Florida and Ohio...that's what happened here.
 
Until an amendment such as that passes, it matters not. I'm waiting for a Republican to get more popular votes and then lose the electoral college. Most of you will suddenly change your tune.

No, I wouldn't. But the far more likely problem on the horizon is what happens when the national popular vote goes to a Republican and NY State popular vote goes for the Democrat. I'm guessing the NY residents will be demanding a change very quickly.

In this case, Romney won Alabama comfortably. So those electoral votes did not affect the outcome of the Presidential election at all because even if proven, these allegations wouldn't change anything.

The point is you can no longer just write off these as localized problems given that several states, including New York, now cast EVs based on popular Vote so a vote in Alabama will actually be casting a vote in New York as well.

Ironically, New York has essentially given their residents LESS of a voice in all future elections.
 
The thing that gets me is that so many on the left just shrug off the issue as unimportant 'because Romney won' in Alabama. I suspect they would also just shrug it off had Obama won in Alabama and would be accusing those questioning those numbers as just sour grapes.

But can you imagine them just shrugging it off if there had been more registered voters than adult population and Romney had won those counties? Somehow I think Romney voters would not be so dismissive as I would like to think those of us on the right think the integrity of the system should be as important to everybody as who won.

I could be wrong.
 
Yes...and I know that allegedly, Obama pulled 97% of the black vote nationwide in the last election. ALL of the statistics in the black communities are absolute anomalies. WAY beyond statistical norms. It would be no different if there are reported statistics showing greater than normal responses for a white community. The examples cited in those 4 counties are ridiculously above norms.

Chutzpah? No concern about being caught? Why would a poll worker admit to committing fraud by filling out other peoples ballots? Maybe because she got a slap on the wrist and a heroes welcome? Or...I dont know...because they can count on like minded people rushing to their aid insisting there is nothing to see here...move it along.

Well it was also an election featuring our first major black Presidental candidate plus our first black President, it was well documented that it caused a much greater voter turnout especially among blacks than what was historical. And even if a voter fraud scheme had little risk of getting caught, which clearly it didn't sense OP "figured it out" right, why do it if it has no chance of reward? Low risk, high reward? I could buy it, but low, risk no reward? I don't believe it.

Here see here's a source that shows that the 2012 election bucked national trends on voter turnout as blacks turned out more than whites per a percent of their overall voting age population.
Blacks outvoted whites in 2012, the first time on record – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Do you have anything besides your opinions and speculation to back up your claim that there was rampant voter fraud in these counties?
 
Well it was also an election featuring our first major black Presidental candidate plus our first black President, it was well documented that it caused a much greater voter turnout especially among blacks than what was historical. And even if a voter fraud scheme had little risk of getting caught, which clearly it didn't sense OP "figured it out" right, why do it if it has no chance of reward? Low risk, high reward? I could buy it, but low, risk no reward? I don't believe it.

Here see here's a source that shows that the 2012 election bucked national trends on voter turnout as blacks turned out more than whites per a percent of their overall voting age population.
Blacks outvoted whites in 2012, the first time on record – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Do you have anything besides your opinions and speculation to back up your claim that there was rampant voter fraud in these counties?
Of course not. There hasnt been an investigation. I DO have the facts and the facts are hinky and bear investigating. Conversely, you and people like you rely on nothing more than your kneejerk insistence that there must not cannot shant not will not be any indicators of impropriety...even when it is smack dab in the middle of your face. Over the 4 years here I have posted numerous incidents of voter fraud (committed from both parties BTW) and the response is always the same. "un UH! Never! Doesnt happen. You cant show any convictions. Ever. Never. Well...ok...but thats not significant even if it did happen. OH SEE...Republicans commit voter fraud!"
 
Yeah just ignore the fact that they literally don't actually know how many people live there. I'm sure that's not relevant

Voter ID's will solve some of that problem. So irrelevant now to some extent, but extremely convenient for those on the left that love to cheat and rob Americans of their voice at the ballot box.
 
Hmmm, a state that Romney won decisively and with Repub Senators. Must be the left. That's the only possible explanation.

Heh. I guess you didn't view the article cited in the OP. The counties in question went for Obama. Amazing, eh?
 
Yes...and I know that allegedly, Obama pulled 97% of the black vote nationwide in the last election. ALL of the statistics in the black communities are absolute anomalies. WAY beyond statistical norms. It would be no different if there are reported statistics showing greater than normal responses for a white community. The examples cited in those 4 counties are ridiculously above norms.

Of course not. There hasnt been an investigation. I DO have the facts and the facts are hinky and bear investigating. Conversely, you and people like you rely on nothing more than your kneejerk insistence that there must not cannot shant not will not be any indicators of impropriety...even when it is smack dab in the middle of your face. Over the 4 years here I have posted numerous incidents of voter fraud (committed from both parties BTW) and the response is always the same. "un UH! Never! Doesnt happen. You cant show any convictions. Ever. Never. Well...ok...but thats not significant even if it did happen. OH SEE...Republicans commit voter fraud!"

I've posted several sources relating to these counties, you haven't posted any.
 
Check the overall results in Alabama. Tell me who got the electoral votes.

Now tell me if you're unhappy with the outcome.

Of course I'm pissed. Clearly abuse of our electoral system is taking place. R or D, I or L or G, if you mess with the election process you threaten trust in our very system of government, and I hope they don't so much throw the book at you as smash you repeatedly with it in the courtroom, leaving you broken inside and out, forever a warning to any tempted to do likewise.
 
Actually...criminal convictions really prove nothing. Thats clearly on display every time voter fraud is proven to exist. Cuz...yeah...sure...OK...a LITTLE fraud. But come on...its not THAT bad.

As I have said on at least THREE occasions now...we dont KNOW if fraud was committed. We DO know those numbers are counter to the rest of the state, counter to the national voter averages, counter to their population counts. They bear investigation.

And once more you prove you have no idea of how voter registration and the maintaining of voter registration files works. The reason there are no criminal convictions or elections being set aside is because you require actual PROOF that fraud occurred. Accusations are cheap, which is why every time an election doesn't go the way somebody likes, they cry fraud. I'll ask once more - how many voters were registered in these counties at the time of the election and how many actually voted?

As far as investigation is concerned, if the right wing authorities that dominate Alabama's political power structure don't find anything worthy of investigating, it's probably because there is nothing to investigate. You're basing your allegations on population numbers that were at least two years old and a voter registration count prior to the purging of the files for inactive voters - that is those who have died, moved, or otherwise no longer are participants in the system.
 
Heh. I guess you didn't view the article cited in the OP. The counties in question went for Obama. Amazing, eh?

And the Republicans that hold all of the power in Alabama just decided to do nothing? :lamo Do you guys ever thing things through, or are you just so convinced that if Obama wins anything - even if its at the county level - there must be fraud involved?
 
Heh. I guess you didn't view the article cited in the OP. The counties in question went for Obama. Amazing, eh?

Sure, but it didn't change the election at all. Romney still won the state and all the electoral votes.
 
The thing that gets me is that so many on the left just shrug off the issue as unimportant 'because Romney won' in Alabama. I suspect they would also just shrug it off had Obama won in Alabama and would be accusing those questioning those numbers as just sour grapes.

But can you imagine them just shrugging it off if there had been more registered voters than adult population and Romney had won those counties? Somehow I think Romney voters would not be so dismissive as I would like to think those of us on the right think the integrity of the system should be as important to everybody as who won.

I could be wrong.

You are wrong about just about everything. See, what happens is the right wing throws these charges out because it costs them nothing. If they went to court they'd actually have to prove something - which would require, you know, evidence.
 
Heh. I guess you didn't view the article cited in the OP. The counties in question went for Obama. Amazing, eh?

Who gives a rats ass what the voter registration figures were in March? Nobody gets elected by the number of voter registrations. They get elected by votes. I'll ask you the same question I asked all the other right wing fanatics on this subject. What was the registration number in November, and how many votes were cast in those counties? Why is that such a difficult question for all of you guys to answer?
 
Sure, but it didn't change the election at all. Romney still won the state and all the electoral votes.

Ah, so voter irregularities are okay if this or that particular candidate wins. Is that it?
 
Who gives a rats ass what the voter registration figures were in March? Nobody gets elected by the number of voter registrations. They get elected by votes. I'll ask you the same question I asked all the other right wing fanatics on this subject. What was the registration number in November, and how many votes were cast in those counties? Why is that such a difficult question for all of you guys to answer?

Wonderful, but it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Why is the left so obtuse in recognizing such irregularities? It's almost like you guys have something to lose, and that's telling.
 
There are regularly documented cases of voter fraud across the country. Every time this subject comes up the dance is the same. "There is no voter fraud." Yes there is. "Prove it." OK....here ya go. "Oh wow...big whooooop. Its not THAT much voter fraud."

Always the same.

In person voter fraud happens. The former republican incharge of elections here in Indiana did it. But it is so minor that it would never have an effect on a national or even a statewide election. I can't imagine there could be enough of it to sway a big city mayoral race. It just isn't worth the effort. Those right wing nuts who scream about in person voter fraud are like truthers who devise elaborate schemes as to how George Bush brought down the towers. Functionally neither make any sense but they cling to the irrational nature of it because they want to believe.
 
It's not voter fraud unless Republicans do it. Didn't you get the memo?
 
You are wrong about just about everything. See, what happens is the right wing throws these charges out because it costs them nothing. If they went to court they'd actually have to prove something - which would require, you know, evidence.

I'm not going to court though. I am participating on a message board witnessing different points of view expressed with my own eyes. Can you show me any post on this thread that would even suggest that I am wrong?
 
I've posted several sources relating to these counties, you haven't posted any.
I refer back to the article in the original paper...the one that cited the concern and the autokneejerk defense where gosh...Richmond Chaney, a member of the Washington County Board of Registrars for 15 years, says he thinks the census probably under-reported the county’s voting age population. He says he heard of instances where residents were suspicious of census takers and wouldn’t answer their questions.

Well...case closed. Cuz...thats what I heard....
 
Who gives a rats ass what the voter registration figures were in March? Nobody gets elected by the number of voter registrations. They get elected by votes. I'll ask you the same question I asked all the other right wing fanatics on this subject. What was the registration number in November, and how many votes were cast in those counties? Why is that such a difficult question for all of you guys to answer?

Here's the actual vote count numbers from 2012.

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/datagraph.php?year=2012&fips=1&f=0&off=0&elect=0

Given that the excess of active voters for the counties in question is <400 per county in all except Lowdnes, and all of these counties were landslides for Obama. There is literally no way the number of active voters being in excess of the censused population could have had any effect whatsoever on the election.

Excess "active" voters compared to censused population:

Green County: 365
Macon County: 137
Wilcox County: *6*

Now Lowdnes County has 1045 excess active voters vs censured population, but Obama won there by 4000 votes. Still couldn't have had any effect.

You have to wonder what the registration office in Lowdnes is doing, but there is 0 reason to think this has anything to do with voter fraud.
 
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