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Western states move to take over federal land

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Cliven Bundy’s dispute with the Federal Government has sparked the concerted effort of representatives from 8 western states to regain control of at least some of their lands:

Nevada range war: Western states move to take over federal land (+video) - CSMonitor.com
In Salt Lake City Friday, representatives from Utah, Idaho, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Wyoming, Oregon, and Washington met for a “Legislative Summit on the Transfer of Public Lands.”

"Those of us who live in the rural areas know how to take care of lands," Montana state Sen. Jennifer Fielder said at a news conference. "We have to start managing these lands. It's the right thing to do for our people, for our environment, for our economy and for our freedoms."

Here’s a list showing percentages of federal land by state, according to the Congressional Research Service. It includes the US Bureau of Land Management, the US Forest Service, National Parks, and military bases: Nevada 81, Alaska 62, Utah 67, Oregon 53, Idaho 62, Arizona 42, California 48, Wyoming 48, New Mexico 35, Colorado 36.

State lawmakers say they’re better prepared to manage such lands, both for the environment and for regional economies. "There is a distinct difference in the way federal agencies are managing the federal lands today," Sen. Fielder said. "They used to do a good job, but they are hamstrung now with conflicting policies, politicized science, and an extreme financial crisis at the national level. It makes it impossible for these federal agencies to manage the lands responsibly anymore."

Thankfully, at least a few states have joined forces to end federal land tyranny_

Which is only one of many tyrannies an out of control Federal Government is now guilty of_

The best thing the radically left Obama Administration has done is to unite main-stream America_
 
Tyranny = grazing fees.

Sometimes right wibgers want so badly to buy into a narrative they'll leave their dictionary at home.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Tyranny = grazing fees.

Sometimes right wibgers want so badly to buy into a narrative they'll leave their dictionary at home.
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Grazing fees of, what was it, like a dollar an acre?
 
Perhaps if I joined a 'militia' this Bundy crap would all make sense.
 
I don't really care about Bundy but I think it is reasonable for states to control more of their land.
 
There is a distinct difference in the way federal agencies are managing the federal lands today," Sen. Fielder said. "They used to do a good job, but they are hamstrung now with conflicting policies, politicized science, and an extreme financial crisis at the national level. It makes it impossible for these federal agencies to manage the lands responsibly anymore."
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what has sen fielder actually told us which would allow improvements to be made by federal land management agencies
what policies are conflicting and how does the to be identified conflict hamper the land management to the state's detriment
what does he mean by politicized science. what about the science is found unscientific
and that national financial crisis he mentions. isn't it the federal government which is bailing out the states that are experiencing lower revenues and higher expenses. then how is it the federal financial condition is found to be an impediment to land management
the senator makes observations which are vague, wrong, and/or without genuine basis regarding federal land management
 
So, they wanna take back THEIR COUNTRY?

Wonder which tea they were drinking before coming up with this idea? Bundy tea? :lamo

Free grazing = YES!

Free Camping = NO!
 
AJiveMan said:
So, they wanna take back THEIR COUNTRY?

Wonder which tea they were drinking before coming up with this idea? Bundy tea? :lamo

Free grazing = YES!

Free Camping = NO!
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I'm not camping, officer, I'm grazing with a place to rest.
 
Found this:

WASHINGTON -- The ranking member of the House Natural Resources Subcommittee on Public Lands and Environmental Regulation wants the Department of Interior's inspector general to determine whether laws pushed by conservative groups are undermining the agency's work.

Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) sent a letter to DOI acting Inspector General Mary Kendall Wednesday asking about this issue in the wake of a standoff in Nevada between militiamen and officials from the DOI's Bureau of Land Management. Rancher Cliven Bundy has refused for years to pay grazing fees for his use of federal lands, saying he does not recognize federal authority over public lands in the state. The issue came to a head last week when BLM officials seized hundreds of Bundy's cattle, and armed right-wing and anti-government groups flocked to the area for a showdown. Authorities then abandoned the cattle seizure, citing "serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public."

Grijalva asked Kendall to look at what role the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), which brings together conservative lawmakers and corporate interests to develop model legislation, has played in passing state laws that contradict federal land management policies or directives. He also asked Kendall to examine how those laws have affected Interior staff.

Grijalva cites a recent article in The American Prospect that links ALEC to bills in Utah claiming that federal ownership of Forest Service lands violates state sovereignty, and seeking to expand grazing into areas currently off-limits. Grijalva also notes that Bundy spoke at a committee hearing in March 2013 on an ALEC-backed bill in Nevada that dealt with the transfer of federal lands to state control.

"I must say that I am glad to see you people stand for state sovereignty today," Bundy said at the meeting. He went on to cite a portion of Nevada's state code that says the state "has a strong moral claim upon the public land retained by the Federal Government within Nevada's borders.'"

According to the minutes of that committee hearing, Bundy said he did not endorse or oppose the bill, though his comments indicated that he was supportive of the principle. He told legislators, "Let us strengthen that bill and go on and claim this land and our sovereignty."

Grijalva urged Kendall to probe ALEC's role in pushing these anti-federal policies.

"The ALEC vision of state sovereignty trumping long-standing federal government efforts to manage public lands has already had tangible effects on Bureau of Land Management and other agency employees' efforts to do their jobs," he wrote. "Examining how severe that impact has been, and whether ALEC is exerting undue influence on federal land management efforts, is well within the scope of your office. I believe a timely examination of these issues would serve the public interest."
Democratic Congressman Wants Federal Investigation Into ALEC-Backed Laws
 
Empirica said:
Cliven Bundy’s dispute with the Federal Government has sparked the concerted effort of representatives from 8 western states to regain control of at least some of their lands:

Nevada range war: Western states move to take over federal land (+video) - CSMonitor.com
In Salt Lake City Friday, representatives from Utah, Idaho, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Wyoming, Oregon, and Washington met for a “Legislative Summit on the Transfer of Public Lands.”

"Those of us who live in the rural areas know how to take care of lands," Montana state Sen. Jennifer Fielder said at a news conference. "We have to start managing these lands. It's the right thing to do for our people, for our environment, for our economy and for our freedoms."

Here’s a list showing percentages of federal land by state, according to the Congressional Research Service. It includes the US Bureau of Land Management, the US Forest Service, National Parks, and military bases: Nevada 81, Alaska 62, Utah 67, Oregon 53, Idaho 62, Arizona 42, California 48, Wyoming 48, New Mexico 35, Colorado 36.

State lawmakers say they’re better prepared to manage such lands, both for the environment and for regional economies. "There is a distinct difference in the way federal agencies are managing the federal lands today," Sen. Fielder said. "They used to do a good job, but they are hamstrung now with conflicting policies, politicized science, and an extreme financial crisis at the national level. It makes it impossible for these federal agencies to manage the lands responsibly anymore."

Thankfully, at least a few states have joined forces to end federal land tyranny_

Which is only one of many tyrannies an out of control Federal Government is now guilty of_

The best thing the radically left Obama Administration has done is to unite main-stream America_
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What was the reason for not paying the range fees? Other people do.
 
AJiveMan said:
So, they wanna take back THEIR COUNTRY?

Wonder which tea they were drinking before coming up with this idea? Bundy tea? :lamo

Free grazing = YES!

Free Camping = NO!
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Exactly what I was wondering. If a bunch of folks go to the Bundy area of BLM land and began squatting. Not harming anything, not even the cattle, but using the lands resources and just long term camping. I wonder how he'd behave about that?
 
ecofarm said:
Perhaps if I joined a 'militia' this Bundy crap would all make sense.
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This "Bundy crap" as you have put it is only one teeny-tiny little symptom of a much bigger problem Ecofarm_

Maybe you've been submerged in sub-saharan ANC politics for so long that you forgot what drives Western Culture_

This is likely the reason you're unable to sensibly defend your position, resorting instead to these frivolous remarks_
 
Empirica said:
This "Bundy crap" as you have put it is only one teeny-tiny little symptom of a much bigger problem Ecofarm_

Maybe you've been submerged in sub-saharan ANC politics for so long that you forgot what drives Western Culture_

This is likely the reason you're unable to sensibly defend your position, resorting instead to these frivolous remarks_
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Sounds like a Truther.
 
Summerwind said:
Exactly what I was wondering. If a bunch of folks go to the Bundy area of BLM land and began squatting. Not harming anything, not even the cattle, but using the lands resources and just long term camping. I wonder how he'd behave about that?
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I really don't know how he'd react.

We spent five years in New Mexico, and we camped here and there, even on BLM lands, and were never bothered by ranchers, most seemed like pretty friendly people. I got the jeep stuck one day on a narrow trail, and one even guided me out of the fix and we chatted for a while. I noticed he had a AR-15 with a scope and asked if he was javelina or coyote hunting, he said coyote, the 4 legged ones.

For the most part, most ranchers are friendly, easy going people who don't make audacious claims about owning lands they do not.
 
Summerwind said:
Exactly what I was wondering. If a bunch of folks go to the Bundy area of BLM land and began squatting. Not harming anything, not even the cattle, but using the lands resources and just long term camping. I wonder how he'd behave about that?
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Considering those "folks" are not harming anything(as you put it) I imagine he'd "behave" just fine_

Although heavily armed Federal Agents wearing body armor would very likely show-up to remove them_
 
Empirica said:
Considering those "folks" are not harming anything(as you put it) I imagine he'd "behave" just fine_

Although heavily armed Federal Agents wearing body armor would very likely show-up to remove them_
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Men like that?????!!!!! I seriously doubt it. He'd be claiming they were encroaching on "his" land.
 
tres borrachos said:
Good for them. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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Bundy is a wacko soverign citizen who believes the laws of the US don't apply to him and he's been able to rally many other militant wackjobs to his cause as well.

The man is hardly better than a domestic insurgent
 
justabubba said:
[emphasis added by bubba]
what has sen fielder actually told us which would allow improvements to be made by federal land management agencies
what policies are conflicting and how does the to be identified conflict hamper the land management to the state's detriment
what does he mean by politicized science. what about the science is found unscientific
and that national financial crisis he mentions. isn't it the federal government which is bailing out the states that are experiencing lower revenues and higher expenses. then how is it the federal financial condition is found to be an impediment to land management
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Unbelievable :shock: Have you maybe been in a coma for twenty years??? Seriously; I am not flame baiting either!

I assumed the answers to the questions you put forth here were common knowledge, considering they have all been at the center of political controversy and debate for many years now, some even for decades_

Anyone who participates in political debate should be well versed in both party positions of these major issues_

the senator makes observations which are vague, wrong, and/or without genuine basis regarding federal land management
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That's odd?! I completely understood every word Senator Jennifer Fielder was saying and consider her basis totally genuine_

Senator Jennifer Fielder is female__Your reading skills coincide remarkably with your writing abilities!
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Let me guess...a land fire sale.
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I highly suspect that you know exactly what all of this "Bundy crap" is about Rabbit_
but
Like Ecofarm, you have no sensible or rational defense for your big-government position_
and
Like Ecofarm, you've had to resort to the same frivolous tactic of diversion via comedy_
 
danielpalos said:
What was the reason for not paying the range fees? Other people do.
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History is ripe with examples of long-time tolerances of injustice until one brave soul stands up and says enough!

When that one brave soul stands alone, tyranny prevails but when other brave souls join in, tyranny is defeated_
 
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