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President Obama Could Grant Clemency To Thousands Of Non-Violent Drug Offenders

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President Obama Could Grant Clemency To Thousands Of Non-Violent Drug Offenders | ThinkProgress

This was reported on Fox news, but I can't seem to find a MSM news report about it?

On one hand it could be good. We shouldn't imprison victimless crimes. If people want to kill themselves doing drugs we should let them. 130k a year, I hear is the average cost to imprison someone. It would be cheaper to give them free drugs at outpatient clinics and let them rot in the streets.

One problem with it is that it could add hundreds of thousands of instant Democrat voters to the rolls.
 
I hope Obama and Holder can keep better track of the the criminals they release than they did the illegal weapons they sold in their Fast & Furious gun running scheme.
 
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Slyhunter said:
President Obama Could Grant Clemency To Thousands Of Non-Violent Drug Offenders | ThinkProgress

This was reported on Fox news, but I can't seem to find a MSM news report about it?

On one hand it could be good. We shouldn't imprison victimless crimes. If people want to kill themselves doing drugs we should let them. 130k a year, I hear is the average cost to imprison someone. It would be cheaper to give them free drugs at outpatient clinics and let them rot in the streets.

One problem with it is that it could add hundreds of thousands of instant Democrat voters to the rolls.
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...and these criminals are felons, and a clemency will restore their right to buy firearms, so Obama never again gets to preach "keeping guns out of the hads of convicted fellons".
 
These non-violent people should never have been locked up in the first place.

What did that accomplish?
 
shrubnose said:
These non-violent people should never have been locked up in the first place.

What did that accomplish?
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Drug dealers are non-violent people? :rofl:

Their convictions might not be for violence but they are most certainly violent people
 
Slyhunter said:
On one hand it could be good. We shouldn't imprison victimless crimes. If people want to kill themselves doing drugs we should let them. 130k a year, I hear is the average cost to imprison someone. It would be cheaper to give them free drugs at outpatient clinics and let them rot in the streets.
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Or perhaps something in between would preferable?
 
Slyhunter said:
President Obama Could Grant Clemency To Thousands Of Non-Violent Drug Offenders | ThinkProgress

This was reported on Fox news, but I can't seem to find a MSM news report about it?

On one hand it could be good. We shouldn't imprison victimless crimes. If people want to kill themselves doing drugs we should let them. 130k a year, I hear is the average cost to imprison someone. It would be cheaper to give them free drugs at outpatient clinics and let them rot in the streets.

One problem with it is that it could add hundreds of thousands of instant Democrat voters to the rolls.
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I think you are totally right. Drugs should be legal and in the case of hard drugs drug takers should be able to register for disbursement at drugstores. It has always seemed absolutely berserk to put people in jail for marijuana sails or consumption.
 
shrubnose said:
These non-violent people should never have been locked up in the first place.

What did that accomplish?
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Well there can be a lot of damage through fraud, theft and such non-violent crime.
 
Ray410 said:
I hope Obama and Holder can keep better track of the the criminals they release than they did the illegal weapons they sold in their Fast & Furious gun running scheme.
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If we legalized drugs, we would dry out one major tributary to criminal funds.
 
Slyhunter said:
President Obama Could Grant Clemency To Thousands Of Non-Violent Drug Offenders | ThinkProgress

This was reported on Fox news, but I can't seem to find a MSM news report about it?

On one hand it could be good. We shouldn't imprison victimless crimes. If people want to kill themselves doing drugs we should let them. 130k a year, I hear is the average cost to imprison someone. It would be cheaper to give them free drugs at outpatient clinics and let them rot in the streets.

One problem with it is that it could add hundreds of thousands of instant Democrat voters to the rolls.
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Here is another article for you:
Justice Department prepares for clemency requests from thousands of inmates - The Washington Post
 
Jerry said:
...and these criminals are felons, and a clemency will restore their right to buy firearms, so Obama never again gets to preach "keeping guns out of the hads of convicted fellons".
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No, a pardon would remove the conviction; clemency just commutes the sentence to time served but leaves the conviction intact.
 
If he had any strength to his conviction, The President should pardon them rather than granting clemency.
 
shrubnose said:
These non-violent people should never have been locked up in the first place.

What did that accomplish?
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It accomplished HUGE spending increases for the Bureau Of Prisons and the rest of the drug law enforcement bureaucracies.
 
Crovax said:
Drug dealers are non-violent people? :rofl:

Their convictions might not be for violence but they are most certainly violent people
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What color skin does the person you are picturing have?
 
Slyhunter said:
President Obama Could Grant Clemency To Thousands Of Non-Violent Drug Offenders | ThinkProgress

This was reported on Fox news, but I can't seem to find a MSM news report about it?

On one hand it could be good. We shouldn't imprison victimless crimes. If people want to kill themselves doing drugs we should let them. 130k a year, I hear is the average cost to imprison someone. It would be cheaper to give them free drugs at outpatient clinics and let them rot in the streets.

One problem with it is that it could add hundreds of thousands of instant Democrat voters to the rolls.
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Good. Nonviolent drug offenders. Jaywalkers deserve to be in prison more than they do.
 
Deuce said:
What color skin does the person you are picturing have?
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green, the stereotypical drug dealer is martian

martian-manhunter.jpg


very violent
 
A few years back I had a guy working for me. From his teens to his 30's he was a drug user and spent quite a few years in the clink. I think he said 15 years total but broken up over many separate times.
Anyway, he got to a point in his life where he said he had had enough and got clean and sober.
Voluntarily, he decided to return to his places of incarceration to deliver speeches to inmates to try to help these folks get and stay clean.
He studied his topics in depth and the foundation of his speeches was that there is no such thing as a non-violent or victimless drug crime. I can't remember the exact numbers but in a nutshell, for x amout of weed the was one murder, or 5 assaults, or so many acres of forest burned. One of his favorite sayings was "every bag of dope has someone's blood on it".
So it may be true that the drug user didn't personally victimize anyone, it is hardly a victimless or non-violent crime.
 
Bootlace said:
A few years back I had a guy working for me. From his teens to his 30's he was a drug user and spent quite a few years in the clink. I think he said 15 years total but broken up over many separate times.
Anyway, he got to a point in his life where he said he had had enough and got clean and sober.
Voluntarily, he decided to return to his places of incarceration to deliver speeches to inmates to try to help these folks get and stay clean.
He studied his topics in depth and the foundation of his speeches was that there is no such thing as a non-violent or victimless drug crime. I can't remember the exact numbers but in a nutshell, for x amout of weed the was one murder, or 5 assaults, or so many acres of forest burned. One of his favorite sayings was "every bag of dope has someone's blood on it".
So it may be true that the drug user didn't personally victimize anyone, it is hardly a victimless or non-violent crime.
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Kinda reminds me of Mercury Morris or Al Sharpton. "Born Again", with the blessing the state. So much nonsense and cowardice, though it's good the guy tried to turn his life around. But telling sensational and inaccurate stories for the authorities seems a bit compromised IMO.

Every bag of pot has somebody's blood on it? Egads, what hogwash.

Victimless crimes DO EXIST, and there are many examples, Martha Stewart and John Kiriakou being but 2 obvious examples.
 
The Man said:
The race card? For reals?
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He decided that people he's never met must be violent as a category. I wanted to know what his mental image was.
 
0.0 Ya right. I dont believe it. If it happens then I will.
 
Crovax said:
Drug dealers are non-violent people? :rofl:

Their convictions might not be for violence but they are most certainly violent people
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Drug users are quite often non-violent people. And one can be a "drug dealer" without being a violent person.
 
Crovax said:
Drug dealers are non-violent people? :rofl:

Their convictions might not be for violence but they are most certainly violent people
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Drug offenders, not drug dealers. Possession and using are drug offenses.

Slyhunter said:
President Obama Could Grant Clemency To Thousands Of Non-Violent Drug Offenders | ThinkProgress

This was reported on Fox news, but I can't seem to find a MSM news report about it?

On one hand it could be good. We shouldn't imprison victimless crimes. If people want to kill themselves doing drugs we should let them. 130k a year, I hear is the average cost to imprison someone. It would be cheaper to give them free drugs at outpatient clinics and let them rot in the streets.

One problem with it is that it could add hundreds of thousands of instant Democrat voters to the rolls.
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...and what is your basis for that asinine comment? Do you have some data that suggests that drug offenders overwhelming vote democrat or are you just assuming they are all black (as we do know blacks vote democratic). One thing is for sure: moving "hundreds of thousands" out of prison and back to the employment roles will lower government dependence and, correspondingly, the deficit.
 
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