James Clapper Bans Intelligence Community From 'Unauthorized' Media Contacts

[tres borrachos]

What about all that, "transparency", that Obama promised?

He'll take care of that right after he closes Gitmo.

I agree with Maggie that this is all much ado about nothing.

Then again I consider the subject. Clapper is the same moron who didn't even know about the terror attacks that were going on in England until Diane Sawyer had to bring him up to speed. The guy is as in touch with reality as a brick.

 

[Kal'Stang]

I don't have any problem with this, actually. If you work for HP, you can't interview with the press as representing HP; and you'd better damned well not divulge potentially damaging or proprietary information to your buddy with the Washington Post. I'd think this stuff goes without saying really.

What this means, as I read it, is that one can most certainly still share their information with WAPO, as an example, but he may lose his job. Not a bit unlike Corporate America.

The difference between the government and corporations is big. What this essentially does is make it a criminal offense subject to prosecution for telling the people the wrong doings of the government. If a person did the same for some corporation they'd be hailed as a hero and given protection against being prosecuted.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Where do you get the idea that reporters won't report on things that put lives at risk.

The journalistic code.

Do you have any idea how many tactics, techniques and tools have been comprised by the media in the last 12 years of war. When that happens the ability for us in the military to do our jobs gets that much harder and more dangerous. Most reporters could care less as long as it gets them a headline.

So what. There is a thing called journalism. They are supposed to report on issues, the truth, and make a responsible narrative.

 

[braindrain]

The journalistic code.


So what. There is a thing called journalism. They are supposed to report on issues, the truth, and make a responsible narrative.

Wait a minute here. In one sentience you are saying that the journalistic code will keep journalists from reporting things that will put peoples lives in danger but in the next say that they should be reporting on the things that put service men and women's lives at risk. You can't have it both ways.

There is absolutely no reason that journalists should be reporting on the the tactics and secret equipment that the US is using to actively fight a war. Just like there is no justifiable reason reporters should be telling everyone when US troops are deploying to seize an airfield. But they did that anyway. Nothing like helping the enemy's of your country. Headlines are more important than the good of the country

 

[fmw]

The difference being, corporate America is not beholden to the tax payers.

Neither is government. Businesses are beholden both to the government and to customers.

 

[KevinKohler]

Neither is government. Businesses are beholden both to the government and to customers.

Uh...yeah, it is.

 

[OldWorldOrder]

It's like DemSocialist just doesn't want there to be any secrets. Nice idea but extremely naive.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Wait a minute here. In one sentience you are saying that the journalistic code will keep journalists from reporting things that will put peoples lives in danger but in the next say that they should be reporting on the things that put service men and women's lives at risk. You can't have it both ways.

Where did i say journalists should be reporting on things that put service men and womens lives at risk? Where did I state that. Hell even Wikileaks made sure before they release documents that they dont put peoples lives at risk....

 

[TheDemSocialist]

It's like DemSocialist just doesn't want there to be any secrets. Nice idea but extremely naive.

I never stated that.

 

[OldWorldOrder]

I never stated that.

"It's like"

 

[braindrain]

Where did i say journalists should be reporting on things that put service men and womens lives at risk? Where did I state that. Hell even Wikileaks made sure before they release documents that they dont put peoples lives at risk....

Maybe when I said that the media have reported on many tactics and tools that the military used to fight with. That puts soldiers lives at risk.
Your answer was so what that's what they are supposed to do.
That's where.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Maybe when I said that the media have reported on many tactics and tools that the military used to fight with. That puts soldiers lives at risk.

What stories have been released that "put soldiers lifes at risk"? Any speicifcs?

Your answer was so what that's what they are supposed to do.
That's where.

Huh?

 

[braindrain]

What stories have been released that "put soldiers lifes at risk"? Any speicifcs?
Probably the most obvious is the invasion into Panama. It is well known that the media reported that there were planes loaded with paratroopers leaving Pope headed towards Panama. I am sure everyone on the plane would be happy to know the enemy was well alerted prior to the jump. There are plenty more examples including ones I personally witnessed of the media talking about the way we were tracking cell phones and blocking IEDs in Iraq

Huh?

I said the media puts service members lives at risk by reporting on tactics and tools we use and you response was,'' So what, that is what they are supposed to do.''
Not sure how this is hard to figure out other than you don't want to

 

[TheDemSocialist]

I said the media puts service members lives at risk by reporting on tactics and tools we use and you response was,'' So what, that is what they are supposed to do.''

Have any links to this "endangerment the media creates" by doing its job?

 

[braindrain]

Have any links to this "endangerment the media creates" by doing its job?

http://www.psywarrior.com/PanamaHerb.html

It is also interesting to note that Investigation later showed that the Panamanians knew the invasion was imminent because American TV had broadcast that an armada of aircraft was taking off from Pope Air Force Base. One of the Raleigh, North Carolina radio stations apparently reported the large number of planes leaving Ft. Bragg for Panama.

Then there is also Geraldo Rivera being kicked out for reporting on troop positions.

I was also in Iraq while one of the programs we were using to target insurgents was reported on. I doubt and really don't care if you believe my personnel experience because it really dosent matter. There are more than enough examples and as far as I am concerned 1 is to many and proves my point

 

[TheDemSocialist]

http://www.psywarrior.com/PanamaHerb.html

It is also interesting to note that Investigation later showed that the Panamanians knew the invasion was imminent because American TV had broadcast that an armada of aircraft was taking off from Pope Air Force Base. One of the Raleigh, North Carolina radio stations apparently reported the large number of planes leaving Ft. Bragg for Panama.

Literally 3 paragraphs up: "The operations in Panama went very smoothly and showed that the lessons learned after the disastrous operation in Grenada 16 years earlier had been taken to heart. There were some minor glitches, but they were more in the competitive nature of teh military services than actual errors".
-IMO doesnt sound like much of anything went wrong.

 

[braindrain]

Literally 3 paragraphs up: "The operations in Panama went very smoothly and showed that the lessons learned after the disastrous operation in Grenada 16 years earlier had been taken to heart. There were some minor glitches, but they were more in the competitive nature of teh military services than actual errors".
-IMO doesnt sound like much of anything went wrong.

So just because nothing major went wrong than it's not a problem and there was no increased risk.
I said they would report things that would cause increased risk to service members not that it would cause a mission to fail. If you can't see how the enemy hearing that planes are headed their way puts those troops at more risk than you are clueless.
Try taking off your ideological blinders it might help.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

So just because nothing major went wrong than it's not a problem and there was no increased risk.

A "minor glitch"? A "minor glitch"? Nothing about putting peoples lives at risk nothing.....

I said they would report things that would cause increased risk to service members not that it would cause a mission to fail. If you can't see how the enemy hearing that planes are headed their way puts those troops at more risk than you are clueless.

A "minor glitch"? Sure. If you put that in the category of "it put their lives at risk".

Try taking off your ideological blinders it might help.

My ideological blinders? What of having a more open and free press. Hell i thought this was always considered a staple in our American democracy.

 

[braindrain]

A "minor glitch"? A "minor glitch"? Nothing about putting peoples lives at risk nothing.....


A "minor glitch"? Sure. If you put that in the category of "it put their lives at risk".

Yes hind sight is 20/20 we all know that. Do you honestly believe the reporters who made those reports knew that they were not increasing the risks to the soldiers about to jump into Panama. Not hoped they were not or thought they were not but knew it to be true. The answer is of course they didn't. No one knew before hand. It was never a real risk to the success of the mission but it sure could have resulted in a few more KIAs.
I am sure the 23 that died and the over 300 wounded knew there was no risk to telling the enemy you are on the way