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America Sends Missile-Destroying Warship Into Russian Waters.....

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Ever since Russian armed forces invaded and annexed the Ukrainian province of Crimea last month, the U.S. government has struggled to find an appropriate response. Trade sanctions and visa freezes on Russian government officials could punish Russia for what it's done in Crimea. But what could the U.S. do to deter further aggression?

This week, it appears the Obama administration hit upon its solution. It took the USS Donald Cook and sent it to Russia. Armed with new Standard Missile-3 IB weaponry from Raytheon (NYSE: RTN ) , the Cook boasts a robust version of Lockheed Martin's (NYSE: LMT ) Aegis ballistic missile defense system capable of shooting down supersonic, high-trajectory missiles such as Russia uses to carry its nuclear warheads. The warship was modified for ballistic missile defense (BMD) duty as part of a $22 billion project to build shipborne and land-based missile defense stations to protect Europe from Iranian long-range missiles. But just as President Putin predicted, it appears to have use in countering Russian threats as well.

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Departing its new base in Spain, the Cook is now en route to the Black Sea, where it will "show the flag" off the Ukrainian and Russian coasts -- a concrete demonstration to President Putin of how aggression in Crimea could bring about the very thing he fears: U.S. ballistic missile defenses set up right next to the Russian border.

What this move does show us, though, is that the $22 billion ballistic missile defense system has wider application than it was initially planned for. It can help to contain the threat of a future Iranian nuclear missile and it can help to disarm Russia's nuclear arsenal as well.....snip~

America Sends Missile-Destroying Warship Into Russian Waters. President Putin Presumably Not Pleased.


Our ship arrived there yesterday. Now it will sit off the Coast of the Ukraine. Think we have Putin's attention now? What say ye?
 
I hadn't envisioned a time in the near future when Russia might use it's nuclear forces but, this bold move by the US might make it come sooner than expected.

Dangerous indeed.
 
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..... But just as President Putin predicted, it appears to have use in countering Russian threats as well.....

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Putin is a genius.

But it is a pretty nice boat. I hope he doesn't sink it.
 
Putin is a genius.

But it is a pretty nice boat. I hope he doesn't sink it.

Mornin' Jog. :2wave: Yeah it is.....and one that will catch Putin's attention.


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US warship USS Donald-Cook sails through the Bosphorus in Istanbul, Turkey, on April 10, 2014 (AFP Photo/Bulent Kilic)
 
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Ever since Russian armed forces invaded and annexed the Ukrainian province of Crimea last month, the U.S. government has struggled to find an appropriate response. Trade sanctions and visa freezes on Russian government officials could punish Russia for what it's done in Crimea. But what could the U.S. do to deter further aggression?

This week, it appears the Obama administration hit upon its solution. It took the USS Donald Cook and sent it to Russia. Armed with new Standard Missile-3 IB weaponry from Raytheon (NYSE: RTN ) , the Cook boasts a robust version of Lockheed Martin's (NYSE: LMT ) Aegis ballistic missile defense system capable of shooting down supersonic, high-trajectory missiles such as Russia uses to carry its nuclear warheads. The warship was modified for ballistic missile defense (BMD) duty as part of a $22 billion project to build shipborne and land-based missile defense stations to protect Europe from Iranian long-range missiles. But just as President Putin predicted, it appears to have use in countering Russian threats as well.

cook_large.jpg


Departing its new base in Spain, the Cook is now en route to the Black Sea, where it will "show the flag" off the Ukrainian and Russian coasts -- a concrete demonstration to President Putin of how aggression in Crimea could bring about the very thing he fears: U.S. ballistic missile defenses set up right next to the Russian border.

What this move does show us, though, is that the $22 billion ballistic missile defense system has wider application than it was initially planned for. It can help to contain the threat of a future Iranian nuclear missile and it can help to disarm Russia's nuclear arsenal as well.....snip~

America Sends Missile-Destroying Warship Into Russian Waters. President Putin Presumably Not Pleased.


Our ship arrived there yesterday. Now it will sit off the Coast of the Ukraine. Think we have Putin's attention now? What say ye?

I think that the Russians have some pretty sophisticated equipment and probably one silent sub just sitting quietly to defend against just such a weapon. I'm not impressed. The USA has used covert actions in Ukraine to cause this entire embroglio and apparently so the Central banks with loans to Ukraine won't find themselves holding worthless paper when Ukriane bankrupts. We truthfully need to cooperate with Russia helping Ukraine, because Russia is the only player that has a demonstrated record of helping Ukraine at an economic loss to Russia. The Military/Industrial/Corporate marketing gives the old "rah, rah, cis boom bah," for anything that creates markets. War is a business in the USA. To do more business you have to create opportunities and if your business is war and fear, this is a marketing bonanza. Wowser! Save the "too big to fail, too big to prosecute" banks from taking losses, and make War business boom, why it's just CORPORATISM.
 
I hadn't envisioned a time in the near future when Russia might use it's nuclear forces but, this bold move by the US might make it come sooner than expected.

Dangerous indeed.

Mornin' WCH. :2wave: Well at least Biden will have some cover since he is going over there on the 22nd. Team O warned Russia not to invade while Biden is there.
 
Putin is a genius.

But it is a pretty nice boat. I hope he doesn't sink it.

That's my chuckle for the morning.
 
Mornin' WCH. :2wave: Well at least Biden will have some cover since he is going over there on the 22nd. Team O warned Russia not to invade while Biden is there.

Heh. What a good excuse for Biden to just stay there. Could be a new home for him. Maybe we should send Carter too.
 
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Ever since Russian armed forces invaded and annexed the Ukrainian province of Crimea last month, the U.S. government has struggled to find an appropriate response. Trade sanctions and visa freezes on Russian government officials could punish Russia for what it's done in Crimea. But what could the U.S. do to deter further aggression?

This week, it appears the Obama administration hit upon its solution. It took the USS Donald Cook and sent it to Russia. Armed with new Standard Missile-3 IB weaponry from Raytheon (NYSE: RTN ) , the Cook boasts a robust version of Lockheed Martin's (NYSE: LMT ) Aegis ballistic missile defense system capable of shooting down supersonic, high-trajectory missiles such as Russia uses to carry its nuclear warheads. The warship was modified for ballistic missile defense (BMD) duty as part of a $22 billion project to build shipborne and land-based missile defense stations to protect Europe from Iranian long-range missiles. But just as President Putin predicted, it appears to have use in countering Russian threats as well.

cook_large.jpg


Departing its new base in Spain, the Cook is now en route to the Black Sea, where it will "show the flag" off the Ukrainian and Russian coasts -- a concrete demonstration to President Putin of how aggression in Crimea could bring about the very thing he fears: U.S. ballistic missile defenses set up right next to the Russian border.

What this move does show us, though, is that the $22 billion ballistic missile defense system has wider application than it was initially planned for. It can help to contain the threat of a future Iranian nuclear missile and it can help to disarm Russia's nuclear arsenal as well.....snip~

America Sends Missile-Destroying Warship Into Russian Waters. President Putin Presumably Not Pleased.


Our ship arrived there yesterday. Now it will sit off the Coast of the Ukraine. Think we have Putin's attention now? What say ye?

Well, I guess it would have his attention if Putin said, "Oh snap!! I was going to fire off a few nuclear missiles. Now I can't." I doubt it made any difference to him actually. Just a show of support, and he already knew that.
 
I don't recall where in Russia's actions against Ukraine that having a missile shield would have helped.

But the idea that we can be friends has its issues as well. That's my point.
 
I think that the Russians have some pretty sophisticated equipment and probably one silent sub just sitting quietly to defend against just such a weapon --

Just remember the US and some NATO forces have already captured the acoustic signatures of Russian subs. Who's to say there aren't NATO hunter killer submarines there as well?
 
Just remember the US and some NATO forces have already captured the acoustic signatures of Russian subs. Who's to say there aren't NATO hunter killer submarines there as well?

Is there something on that IC? :2wave: Maybe older subs.....not anything new. Which was one of our concerns.
 
Is there something on that IC? :2wave: Maybe older subs.....not anything new. Which was one of our concerns.

The Cook can carry an ASW helicopter, the UH-60B, and it's very effective. I doubt it entered the Black Sea without one. The French have an intelligence gathering frigate or something on that order accompanying the Cook. The Cook is not alone, and the Bosporus is sufficiently deep for a sub to pass through submerged. The Russians won't mess with the Cook too much.
 
Is there something on that IC? :2wave: Maybe older subs.....not anything new. Which was one of our concerns.

If you mean the Borei class machines - they're not out yet.
 
Well, I guess it would have his attention if Putin said, "Oh snap!! I was going to fire off a few nuclear missiles. Now I can't." I doubt it made any difference to him actually. Just a show of support, and he already knew that.

Mornin' Maggie.
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Well Putin was complaining when we sent the 4 destroyers to Spain to act as Missile defense from Iran. Not that I think he is worried when he already has destroyers and more ships in the vicinity than what we and NATO has.



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File this story under the rubric: "Be careful what you wish for." When the U.S. guided missile destroyer USS Donald Cook (DDG-75) departed Norfolk Naval Base to take up station at the Spanish naval base in Rota two months ago, it set off alarm bells in Moscow.

Accusing the U.S. of attempting to set up a "strategic offensive potential" in Europe, Russian President Putin loudly condemned the move. U.S. officials calmly explained that the Cook, and its sister ships USS Ross (DDG-71), USS Carney (DDG-64), and USS Porter (DDG-78), were headed to Spain to set up a missile shield against the Iranian missile threat -- and posed no threat to Russia. But Russian State Duma foreign affairs committee Chairman Alexei Pushkov declared this explanation "fake."

In the Russians' view, you see, the presence of a fleet of U.S. destroyers in Europe, armed with a version of the Aegis missile defense system tweaked to shoot down ballistic missiles, is a threat aimed squarely at Russia's nuclear arsenal.....snip~
 
The problem for Russia is that they can't know exactly what armaments these destroyers are carrying. They can carry not only the missile interceptors, but also a boat load (90) of Tomahawks, as well. We offer them as defensive platforms, but they're quite capable of being very nasty offensive platforms as well.
 
This has to be the most serious message sent to Putin yet.

Just wish we Europeans were more united with the States on this. I really hope there are more than just the one French warship out there with the Americans.
 
Heh. What a good excuse for Biden to just stay there. Could be a new home for him. Maybe we should send Carter too.

Mornin' HB.
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Well you know Joe.....he is going over there to give some re-assurance to the Ukrainian leaders. I don't think he will be going around any areas that predominantly Pro Russian.

I figure if
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......then Joe will fire off a warning shot or two with a shotgun. :mrgreen:
 
Mornin' HB.
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Well you know Joe.....he is going over there to give some re-assurance to the Ukrainian leaders. I don't think he will be going around any areas that predominantly Pro Russian.

I figure if
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......then Joe will fire off a warning shot or two with a shotgun. :mrgreen:

Yeah. Maybe Joe can leave the old two-shoot behind so we can say we're providing armaments. It'll be interesting to see if the Cook stays beyond the limitations imposed by the Montreux Convention. The frigate we sent for Sochi did, but that was because the commander ran the damn thing aground. He's been relieved.
 
This has to be the most serious message sent to Putin yet.

Just wish we Europeans were more united with the States on this. I really hope there are more than just the one French warship out there with the Americans.


They will definitely need it IC......which not only the Russians ships which isn't counting the 51 vessels they captured from the Ukrainians.




In its invasion and annexation of Crimea, Russia has seized 51 vessels belonging to the Ukrainian navy, according to information compiled by Dmitry Tymchuk, director of the Center of Military and Political Research in Kyiv.

Among the Ukrainian vessels reportedly captured by the Russians are submarine Zaporizhia, management ship Slavutych, landing ship Konstantin Olshansky, landing ship Kirovohrad, minesweeper Chernihiv and minesweeper Cherkasy.

The Cherkasy was the last of the ships to have been overtaken following weeks of threats and ultimatums to surrender. It was finally chased down and overtaken by the Russian navy on March 25 after failing to slip past a blockade of two ships intentionally sunk by the Russians to trap it and other vessels in a narrow gulf, keeping them from escaping into the Black Sea.....snip~

In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea
 
Yeah. Maybe Joe can leave the old two-shoot behind so we can say we're providing armaments. It'll be interesting to see if the Cook stays beyond the limitations imposed by the Montreux Convention. The frigate we sent for Sochi did, but that was because the commander ran the damn thing aground. He's been relieved.


The other 2 ships we sent, are out of the region.....as Putin and Russia complained to Turkey about them staying past the deadline for them.


Turkey rejects Russian claims over US ships in Black Sea.....

Turkey on Saturday dismissed as "out of the question" claims from Russia that it had allowed US warships to stay longer in the Black Sea than permitted under international law.

Russia has complained that US warships have remained in the Black Sea longer than the 21 days allowed by an international treaty, amid ongoing tensions between Moscow and the West.

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said last week that US vessels had "a couple of times" stayed longer than 21 days, contravening the 1936 Montreux Convention

But Ankara hit back, with the foreign ministry dismissing as "odd" Russia's insistence on the convention, which limits the stay of warships from countries that do not border the Black Sea.

Turkey, a NATO ally, has said it does not recognise the result of the referendum, voicing fears about the fate of the Turkish-speaking Tatar minority in Crimea, which was part of the Ottoman Empire until it was conquered by Russia in the late 18th century.....snip~

Turkey rejects Russian claims over US ships in Black Sea
 
They will definitely need it IC......which not only the Russians ships which isn't counting the 51 vessels they captured from the Ukrainians.




In its invasion and annexation of Crimea, Russia has seized 51 vessels belonging to the Ukrainian navy, according to information compiled by Dmitry Tymchuk, director of the Center of Military and Political Research in Kyiv.

Among the Ukrainian vessels reportedly captured by the Russians are submarine Zaporizhia, management ship Slavutych, landing ship Konstantin Olshansky, landing ship Kirovohrad, minesweeper Chernihiv and minesweeper Cherkasy.

The Cherkasy was the last of the ships to have been overtaken following weeks of threats and ultimatums to surrender. It was finally chased down and overtaken by the Russian navy on March 25 after failing to slip past a blockade of two ships intentionally sunk by the Russians to trap it and other vessels in a narrow gulf, keeping them from escaping into the Black Sea.....snip~

In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

I highly doubt those ships would stand up to modern forces.

Checked a little more and there are 3 French ships out there with USS Donald Cook and the Russians have noted that once a NATO warship has done its 21 days, it leaves and is replaced by one or more.

The French ships include "Dupuy de Lôme" and "Dupleix". They are joined by Alize soon.

“Given the fact that the deployment of the elements of US missile defence system in the inland territories of US European allies, including Romania, will take a long time, the Americans decided to increase the intensity of sending its guided-missile naval ships to the Black Sea,” the Russian Defense Ministry said.
“US naval ships have been rotating in the Black Sea area on a regular basis since February 2014. One US warship which leaves the Black Sea is replaced by another vessel or even several ships. It is quite possible that the same practice will be applied to Aegis ships,” the Russian Defense Ministry said.
 
Our ship arrived there yesterday. Now it will sit off the Coast of the Ukraine. Think we have Putin's attention now? What say ye?
Too bad that ship cant sponsor any "independence referendums" in the Russian Federation.

I wonder if Putin will try to envoke and enforce the old Soviet claims forbidding foreign warships from approaching Sevastapol?
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In its invasion and annexation of Crimea, Russia has seized 51 vessels belonging to the Ukrainian navy, according to information compiled by Dmitry Tymchuk, director of the Center of Military and Political Research in Kyiv.
Most had not sailed in years and the submarine was about 35 years old. The Ukrainian submariners are probably grateful the Russians siezed it- that way they dont have to risk their lives diving in it anymore.
 
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