Union threatens Retribution for House Dems Opposing Keystone.....

TheNextEra · Apr 12, 2014

MMC said:
Now where does it say anywhere in any of my posts that the Unions would support Republicans......what, the part about Democrats vs Democrats is confusing to you? Let me guess that is whats throwing you off on what the OP is about, Right?

Does it bother you that the Unions are target the Democrats over Keystone? Or does it bother you more now.....that the Unions are against Obamacare?

Is that why the left avoids the bad news.....deflects and then looks to make **** up on the fly?

The only thing that bothers me is that assholes keep voting in Dems and Reps and expecting different results. Why do you think most elections aren't about what a candidate can DO, it's how bad the other candidate is? And when the candidates DO say what they are going to do, it's usually a bunch of lies.

TheNextEra · Apr 12, 2014

Del Zeppnile said:
Unions are basically driven by economics, so why not? At the point where big government trumps big business, big labor will side wherever their best interests are.

Riiiiiiight, so the right which has bad mouthed unions for years and wanted to end them, you think the unions are all of a sudden going to vote for the people that want to end them. Riiiiiiight, cool story bro.

You are correct that big labor will go where their interests are, however, you are incorrect in thinking unions will go to the side (the right) that wants to end them.

MMC · Apr 12, 2014

TheNextEra said:
The only thing that bothers me is that assholes keep voting in Dems and Reps and expecting different results. Why do you think most elections aren't about what a candidate can DO, it's how bad the other candidate is? And when the candidates DO say what they are going to do, it's usually a bunch of lies.

Well we said before that the Conservatives should be their own Party. Many have talked about those that do the same thing over and over againwith respects to the Pols.

But barring all of that.....what can be played upon from Republican Principles? Not conservative. That which a Republic is about. Now what just a party is about.

Linc · Apr 12, 2014

26 straight years of Republican governors forgot to put over 300 million into the Teacher's Retirement fund.
You should know better than to pass that garbage off on a web-site I'm on.

Ever since the crook Big Jim Thompson was elected in 1977 for 14 straight years.
Wasn't that COLA agreement nice he signed in 1989?
Thompson now makes more from his pension than he did as Governor.
And to think your Tribune actually told the truth on this.
Why didn't you ?

MMC said:
Well its not just here Pero.....all one need do is look at Illinois and the Pension reform.....its the Demos that have stolen money from their Unions and it is the Demos themselves screwing over the Teachers Unions and City and State Workers. Sure it isn't going change anything politically for Chicago and Illinois.....but it does highlight that Unions will be taking it to the Demos for stealing their money.

MMC · Apr 12, 2014

NIMBY said:
26 straight years of Republican governors forgot to put over 300 million into the Teacher's Retirement fund.
You should know better than to pass that garbage off on a web-site I'm on.

Ever since the crook Big Jim Thompson was elected in 1977 for 14 straight years.
Wasn't that COLA agreement nice he signed in 1989?
Thompson now makes more from his pension than he did as Governor.
And to think your Tribune actually told the truth on this.
Why didn't you ?

I did.....that's why I included Chicago which includes Crook County. Which is why you could never paint it out any other way. Course all the Current News Points out what Democrats are screwing over other Democrats that supported the Teachers and their Union

Moreover its been over 50 year of The Democrats stealing the money out of City Workers Pensions. While Never putting in the money they were suppose to.

But then we already knew you would only come with bits and pieces to the story.

Linc · Apr 12, 2014

MMC said:
Are there any other Unions now stepping out with these one and telling the Democrats to knock their BS games off.....look you remember what Chris Matthews just got done doing with sending a message to the Democrats and the Left in this country. You know how it is.....if the Big Unions for Business are going to take a stand.....that will just leave the Federal Government's Union employees as their own Push back.

Now that Illinois voters have listened to the flip-flopping liar Rauner get his ass stomped by Quinn in the debate, Unions will be back.
Rauner claimed his wife was a life-long DEM, but records show 77% of her campaign contributions have been to Republicans.
What is that called MMC?

And, Rauner is trying to hide behind his wife's skirt, as if they would be a "duo" leading Illinois.
This guy should make all working men like you vomit .

Linc · Apr 12, 2014

MMC said:
I did.....that's why I included Chicago which includes Crook County. Which is why you could never paint it out any other way. Course all the Current News Points out what Democrats are screwing over other Democrats that supported the Teachers and their Union

You haven't got a clue what is going on with TRS.
Rauner ordered GOPees to vote no who were going to vote yes in the General Assembly.
Why--because it didn't go far enough.
His billions can't cover up his lies and should make you sick.
Especially since you hate his connection with Rahm .

Moreover its been over 50 year of The Democrats stealing the money out of City Workers Pensions. While Never putting in the money they were suppose to.
But then we already knew you would only come with bits and pieces to the story.

I'm going to continue to call bull**** every time you trot these LIEs out.
As if the GOP didn't run the General Assembly in the 90's.
Or control the Governor's mansion from 1977-2003 .

MMC · Apr 12, 2014

NIMBY said:
Now that Illinois voters have listened to the flip-flopping liar Rauner get his ass stomped by Quinn in the debate, Unions will be back.
Rauner claimed his wife was a life-long DEM, but records show 77% of her campaign contributions have been to Republicans.
What is that called MMC?

And, Rauner is trying to hide behind his wife's skirt, as if they would be a "duo" leading Illinois.
This guy should make all working men like you vomit .

So whats up Nimby, these big unions got you all worried now......huh? You don't like that part about these Big Unions being against O'Care, do ya now? Just what happens if these Big unions pull their support away from the party that has to divide in order to win?

Can you imagine how Obama feels knowing that even Unions are turning against him. Other than his Federal Union.

MMC · Apr 12, 2014

NIMBY said:
You haven't got a clue what is going on with TRS.
Rauner ordered GOPees to vote no who were going to vote yes in the General Assembly.
Why--because it didn't go far enough.
His billions can't cover up his lies and should make you sick.
Especially since you hate his connection with Rahm .

I'm going to continue to call bull**** every time you trot these LIEs out.
As if the GOP didn't run the General Assembly in the 90's.
Or control the Governor's mansion from 1977-2003 .

Which has nothing to do with controlling Chicago and Crook County.....and each and every time Nimby you will be called out for only bringing Kibbles and Bits to the feast.

Linc · Apr 12, 2014

Since Chicago is a separate state and has nothing to do with Illinois.
Every time you dump this garbage I will answer it back with the truth.
Anything about Rahm trying to fix the pensions, a problem across the Nation at "EVERY" level, or just your usual hyperpartisan hack-a-thon ?

MMC said:
Which has nothing to do with controlling Chicago and Crook County.....and each and every time Nimby you will be called out for only bringing Kibbles and Bits to the feast.

MMC · Apr 12, 2014

NIMBY said:
Since Chicago is a separate state and has nothing to do with Illinois.
Every time you dump this garbage I will answer it back with the truth.
Anything about Rahm trying to fix the pensions, a problem across the Nation at "EVERY" level, or just your usual hyperpartisan hack-a-thon ?

So those Unions really got you upset about targeting all those Democrats and not caring much for BO's Care package, huh?

Linc · Apr 12, 2014

MMC said:
So whats up Nimby, these big unions got you all worried now......huh? You don't like that part about these Big Unions being against O'Care, do ya now? Just what happens if these Big unions pull their support away from the party that has to divide in order to win?
Can you imagine how Obama feels knowing that even Unions are turning against him. Other than his Federal Union.

Rauner sure got a scare when the UNions went in for Dillard at the end.
They waited too long huh.
You bet Rauner and the rest of the Illinois GOP is worried !!

Linc · Apr 12, 2014

Since I said nothing of the kind, you're now keeping up with how you've posted in all your threads .

MMC said:
So those Unions really got you upset about targeting all those Democrats and not caring much for BO's Care package, huh?

MMC · Apr 12, 2014

NIMBY said:
Since Chicago is a separate state and has nothing to do with Illinois.
Every time you dump this garbage I will answer it back with the truth.
Anything about Rahm trying to fix the pensions, a problem across the Nation at "EVERY" level, or just your usual hyperpartisan hack-a-thon ?

Then why are the teachers speaking out against Rahm. Why is their Unions speaking out against him.....Why is the Union leader of CPS schools leading the fight against your man Rahm?

See more Unions going against Democrats. Not just over Keystone and O'Care.

Perotista · Apr 12, 2014

MMC said:
I am looking at the point they made with 80% of whos who. Are going with the Republicans taking the Senate. Not so much the breakdown with the poll at this point of moment. Which now they are also looking at the Demos may even lose more house Seats than was thought.

80% of who's who, I think you better look again. Only one out of six national re-known prognostacators predicts a Republican take over of the senate. I would say the odds are closer to 20% than 80%.

1 Professional Prognosticators Senate predictions as of 11 April Current 55 Democratic held seats 45 Republican held seats.
Charlie Cook 47 Democratic 46 Republican: Tossups (5 Democratic held seats) Alaska, Arkansas, Louisiana, Michigan, and North Carolina. (2 Reublican held seats) Georgia and Kentucky (Democrat to Republican West Virginia, Montana, South Dakota) (No Republican to Democratic seats)

For the Republicans to take control of the senate according to Cook, they must retain Georgia and Kentucky and win 3 of the Democratic held seats he lists as tossups.

EP 51 Republican 49 Democratic: No toss ups (Democrat to Republican West Virginia, South Dakota, Montana, Arkansas, North Carolina, Michigan) (No Republican to Democratic seats)

EP bluntly says at this time the Republicans will take control of the senate.

Nate Silver 538, 49 Republican 48 Democratic: Tossups (3 Democratic held seats Alaska, Louisiana, and North Carolina. (Democrat to Republican Arkansas, Montana, South Dakota, West Virginia). (No Republican to Democratic seats.)

Nate says the Republican’s must win 2 of the three seats he lists as tossups. Nate and Cook are basically saying the same thing.

RCP 50 Republican 50 Democrat (Democrat to Republican, Alaska, Arkansas, Louisiana, Montana, South Dakota, West Virginia) (Republican to Democrat, Kentucky)

RCP no toss up predicts a tie in the senate. With VP Biden providing the tie breaking vote, the senate remains Democratic.

Rothenberg 50 Democrat 49 Republican: Tossup (1 Democratic held seat) Louisiana (Democrat to Republican, West Virginia, South Dakota, Montana, Arkansas) (No Republican to Democrat seats)

For Stuart Rothenberg the Democrats are a lock to retain control of the senate. Even if Louisiana goes Republican, it would result in a 50-50 tie with Vice President Biden casting the deciding votes thus enabling the Democrats to retain their control.

Sabato 48 Democrat 49 Republican: 3 Tossups (3 Democratic Held seats) Alaska, North Carolina, Louisiana (Democratic to Republican, West Virginia, South Dakota, Montana, Arkansas) (No Republican to Democratic seats)

It comes down for the Republicans to win 2 of the 3 tossup seats if they are to gain control of the senate per Larry Sabato.

House of Representatives: Currently 234 Republican 201 Democrat. 218 seats needed for a majority.

Cook: Republicans 230, Democrat 188 Tossups 4 Republican held seats, 13 Democratic held seats
EP: Republicans 234, Democrat 201 no Tossups
Silver: No House predictions as of yet.
RCP: Republicans 232, Democrat 187 Tossups 3 Republican held seats, 13 Democratic held seats
Rothenberg: Republicans 227, Democrat 192 Tossups 7 Republican held seats, 9 Democratic held seats
Sabato: Republican 230, Democrat 195 10 Tossups 4 Republican held seats, 6 Democratic held seats.

If you look at these numbers, the Republicans will probably gain 4-8 seats.

MMC · Apr 12, 2014

NIMBY said:
Since I said nothing of the kind, you're now keeping up with how you've posted in all your threads .

Yeah, its called discussing what the OP is about and not everything else Nimby brings up to deflect the bad news on, about, or for Obama. :roll:

MMC · Apr 12, 2014

Perotista said:
80% of who's who, I think you better look again. Only one out of six national re-known prognostacators predicts a Republican take over of the senate. I would say the odds are closer to 20% than 80%.

1 Professional Prognosticators Senate predictions as of 11 April Current 55 Democratic held seats 45 Republican held seats.
Charlie Cook 47 Democratic 46 Republican: Tossups (5 Democratic held seats) Alaska, Arkansas, Louisiana, Michigan, and North Carolina. (2 Reublican held seats) Georgia and Kentucky (Democrat to Republican West Virginia, Montana, South Dakota) (No Republican to Democratic seats)

For the Republicans to take control of the senate according to Cook, they must retain Georgia and Kentucky and win 3 of the Democratic held seats he lists as tossups.

EP 51 Republican 49 Democratic: No toss ups (Democrat to Republican West Virginia, South Dakota, Montana, Arkansas, North Carolina, Michigan) (No Republican to Democratic seats)

EP bluntly says at this time the Republicans will take control of the senate.

Nate Silver 538, 49 Republican 48 Democratic: Tossups (3 Democratic held seats Alaska, Louisiana, and North Carolina. (Democrat to Republican Arkansas, Montana, South Dakota, West Virginia). (No Republican to Democratic seats.)

Nate says the Republican’s must win 2 of the three seats he lists as tossups. Nate and Cook are basically saying the same thing.

RCP 50 Republican 50 Democrat (Democrat to Republican, Alaska, Arkansas, Louisiana, Montana, South Dakota, West Virginia) (Republican to Democrat, Kentucky)

RCP no toss up predicts a tie in the senate. With VP Biden providing the tie breaking vote, the senate remains Democratic.

Rothenberg 50 Democrat 49 Republican: Tossup (1 Democratic held seat) Louisiana (Democrat to Republican, West Virginia, South Dakota, Montana, Arkansas) (No Republican to Democrat seats)

For Stuart Rothenberg the Democrats are a lock to retain control of the senate. Even if Louisiana goes Republican, it would result in a 50-50 tie with Vice President Biden casting the deciding votes thus enabling the Democrats to retain their control.

Sabato 48 Democrat 49 Republican: 3 Tossups (3 Democratic Held seats) Alaska, North Carolina, Louisiana (Democratic to Republican, West Virginia, South Dakota, Montana, Arkansas) (No Republican to Democratic seats)

It comes down for the Republicans to win 2 of the 3 tossup seats if they are to gain control of the senate per Larry Sabato.

House of Representatives: Currently 234 Republican 201 Democrat. 218 seats needed for a majority.

Cook: Republicans 230, Democrat 188 Tossups 4 Republican held seats, 13 Democratic held seats
EP: Republicans 234, Democrat 201 no Tossups
Silver: No House predictions as of yet.
RCP: Republicans 232, Democrat 187 Tossups 3 Republican held seats, 13 Democratic held seats
Rothenberg: Republicans 227, Democrat 192 Tossups 7 Republican held seats, 9 Democratic held seats
Sabato: Republican 230, Democrat 195 10 Tossups 4 Republican held seats, 6 Democratic held seats.

If you look at these numbers, the Republicans will probably gain 4-8 seats.

I think I gave you the Link that showed the 80% already.....and they didn't mention who they were. Either way I would have to look for it as it was up. I do recall that it was from the Signal.

Perotista · Apr 12, 2014

NIMBY said:
Since I said nothing of the kind, you're now keeping up with how you've posted in all your threads .

I got to hit the hay, going out to the Wat first thing in the AM to celebrate Songkron. But here is a most interesting poll about what Americans think of the Federal Government having the consent of the Governed

19% Think Federal Government Has Consent of the Governed - Rasmussen Reports™

Perhaps you can get back with me tomorrow.

Perotista · Apr 13, 2014

MMC said:
I think I gave you the Link that showed the 80% already.....and they didn't mention who they were. Either way I would have to look for it as it was up. I do recall that it was from the Signal.

It's no biggie. This far out without names attached to each race it is basically a crap shoot. Hunches.

Linc · Apr 13, 2014

Interesting to me is that 59% of GOP voters say Republicans in Congress are out of touch with the Party's base.
My question: What is the party's base ?

Perotista said:
I got to hit the hay, going out to the Wat first thing in the AM to celebrate Songkron. But here is a most interesting poll about what Americans think of the Federal Government having the consent of the Governed

19% Think Federal Government Has Consent of the Governed - Rasmussen Reports™

Perhaps you can get back with me tomorrow.

Linc · Apr 13, 2014

How is the Union threatening retribution bad news for Obama?

MMC said:
Yeah,
its called discussing what the OP is about and not everything else Nimby brings up to deflect the bad news on, about, or for Obama. :roll:

Are you even aware there is a liberal DEM enviro billionaire threatening to do the opposite to these same DEM candidates who go for KXL?
Of course you are, NOW !

Perotista · Apr 14, 2014

NIMBY said:
Interesting to me is that 59% of GOP voters say Republicans in Congress are out of touch with the Party's base.
My question: What is the party's base ?

I have two thoughts on that, 1. Either their base thinks it is the Tea Party folks that is out of whack or 2. it is the establishment Republicans that is out of whack. Either way it is a huge chunk of the GOP is unhappy.

No thoughts on why only 19% of Americans that think the federal government has the consent of the Governed? I think it is because most Americans think the federal government has ceased to represent them and now represents only political parties and those with money, huge money donors, corporations, special interests, lobbyist, etc.

Being it was just a short blurp, who knows. But I think that is very significant. It is one of these polls done and lost to the world. But it may be one of the most important polls ever taken. The Federal Government lost the trust of the American people back in the early 60's, the last two president's which served when the majority of Americans trusted their government was IKE and JFK. I could really go into this, but no need. I think it would be a waste of time. What will happen will happen. Look at Nevada.

MMC · Apr 14, 2014

NIMBY said:
How is the Union threatening retribution bad news for Obama?

Are you even aware there is a liberal DEM enviro billionaire threatening to do the opposite to these same DEM candidates who go for KXL?
Of course you are, NOW !

From the very first post where they talk about it.....and I am sure you can figure out the part about their support for Team O and the Demos.

The State Department is wrapping up its national interest determination of the project. That is expected to end by early May, allowing Kerry to send his recommendation over to the White House.

Last month, the North America's Building Trades Union and LIUNA met with the American Petroleum Institute to press Obama on approval of the pipeline, linking the delay to broader anger at the administration within the labor movement.

"Our anger doesn't just stop with Keystone XL," O'Sullivan told The Hill in March. "We are extremely angry about the Affordable Care Act and the fact that there is 12.8 percent unemployment in construction.".....snip~

Linc · Apr 14, 2014

Perotista said:
No thoughts on why only 19% of Americans that think the federal government has the consent of the Governed? I think it is because most Americans think the federal government has ceased to represent them and now represents only political parties and those with money, huge money donors, corporations, special interests, lobbyist, etc.

How many times have we seen Americans of all leans think the federal government this and that until their part of the Nation is hit by a Natural disaster?
We did see Oklahoma tornado politicians last year say they wanted pay-fors, but you know which CDs and gubmit programs they wanted them from.
We also saw how Cantor turned his back on GOP citizens in Joplin, MO when they lost 180 dead

Linc · Apr 14, 2014

Perotista said:
Being it was just a short blurp, who knows. But I think that is very significant. It is one of these polls done and lost to the world. But it may be one of the most important polls ever taken. The Federal Government lost the trust of the American people back in the early 60's, the last two president's which served when the majority of Americans trusted their government was IKE and JFK. I could really go into this, but no need. I think it would be a waste of time. What will happen will happen. Look at Nevada.

What about Nevada?
Do you support law-breakers hiding behind the faux skirt of the Constitution?
It's always been about not paying taxes.
I'm sure you agree with this free-loader.
Check out how much water is wasted in this county to Mormon-owned golf courses in the desert .