Jessica Dutro, Mother Who Allegedly Thought Young Son Was Gay Before Murdering Him,

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Sababa said:

Part of the issue is that she felt that might be a good enough excuse......where would she get that idea.

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It's no different than the parents who who do it because their child wet the bed, or spilled a drink, or crtimgt or any other reason. A parent beating a child to death is that.

Some people seem focused on anything that has anything to do with gay. The fact that that is the reason she decided to use doesn't make this any different than any other parent who's done it. It's not more wrong. Her kid is not extra dead, he wasn't more abused than these other kids, it's not different. This woman could have done the same thing because he was acting too straight and it wouldn't change anything.

The gay aspect of this probably hurts this more than anything else because it is taking the focus away from child abuse and focusing it on something far less important.

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mac said:

Really? Because it seems some here are more interested in making it a gay rights issue rather than what it is. A horrible instance of child abuse.

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No, not gay rights. Everybody who has been born (just to make sure the anti-abortion gang does not get sucked into this) has the right to life. This kids right to life has been taken from him and there is nothing worse normally except for the reason he has been killed, anti-gay hatred. That is what this thread was about, not about gay rights but about a young life that has ended and hatred of gays being the reason for his murder. Not only is this child murder, one of the most (if not the most) heinous crimes in the world but on top if this it is a hate crime too. How twisted do you have to be to kill a 4 year old child out of hate of what this idiot mother and partner thought this kid was.

Sure gays have to have rights but this was not about gay rights but my outrage at the hate crime that lies beneath this murder of an innocent child, a perceived gayness of that child. I am sorry but that still boggles the mind.

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Peter King said:

No, not gay rights. Everybody who has been born (just to make sure the anti-abortion gang does not get sucked into this) has the right to life. This kids right to life has been taken from him and there is nothing worse normally except for the reason he has been killed, anti-gay hatred. That is what this thread was about, not about gay rights but about a young life that has ended and hatred of gays being the reason for his murder. Not only is this child murder, one of the most (if not the most) heinous crimes in the world but on top if this it is a hate crime too. How twisted do you have to be to kill a 4 year old child out of hate of what this idiot mother and partner thought this kid was.

Sure gays have to have rights but this was not about gay rights but my outrage at the hate crime that lies beneath this murder of an innocent child, a perceived gayness of that child. I am sorry but that still boggles the mind.

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No matter how you spin it, you're still suggesting that this crime wouldn't be as bad had the kid been killed for any other reason.

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apdst said:

No matter how you spin it, you're still suggesting that this crime wouldn't be as bad had the kid been killed for any other reason.

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You call it spin, I call it outrage at such a senseless act of hatred. And you are misrepresenting what I am saying. I am not saying that this crime wouldn't be as bad if the kid had been killed for another reason. There is no reason or justification for a killing a child (as I have stated before) but this killing seems extra incomprehensible to me. Not worse than other child murders but extra incomprehensible to me. It would also not have been less bad if he had been killed for any other reason but again, sometimes you can comprehend why a crime took place. But can you honestly understand someone getting so angry at their 4 year old child's supposed gay walking and talking that you wanted to kill them? What is walking and talking gay? Did he want to play with dolls instead of cars? I just cannot understand why someone would see the behavior of a 4 year old as walking and talking gay.

I am not grading how bad the killing to a child is compared to another killing of a child but the fact that I cannot comprehend the reasons why anyone would think a child of 4 walks and talks gay.

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Peter King said:

You call it spin, I call it outrage at such a senseless act of hatred. And you are misrepresenting what I am saying. I am not saying that this crime wouldn't be as bad if the kid had been killed for another reason. There is no reason or justification for a killing a child (as I have stated before) but this killing seems extra incomprehensible to me. Not worse than other child murders but extra incomprehensible to me. It would also not have been less bad if he had been killed for any other reason but again, sometimes you can comprehend why a crime took place. But can you honestly understand someone getting so angry at their 4 year old child's supposed gay walking and talking that you wanted to kill them? What is walking and talking gay? Did he want to play with dolls instead of cars? I just cannot understand why someone would see the behavior of a 4 year old as walking and talking gay.

I am not grading how bad the killing to a child is compared to another killing of a child but the fact that I cannot comprehend the reasons why anyone would think a child of 4 walks and talks gay.

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See? You keep placing a higher value on this kids murder. "Extra incomprehensible"? You're suggesting that had the kid been killed for any other motivation, it would have been LESS incomprehensible.

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This debate is weird.

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Peter King said:

No, not gay rights. Everybody who has been born (just to make sure the anti-abortion gang does not get sucked into this) has the right to life. This kids right to life has been taken from him and there is nothing worse normally except for the reason he has been killed, anti-gay hatred. That is what this thread was about, not about gay rights but about a young life that has ended and hatred of gays being the reason for his murder. Not only is this child murder, one of the most (if not the most) heinous crimes in the world but on top if this it is a hate crime too. How twisted do you have to be to kill a 4 year old child out of hate of what this idiot mother and partner thought this kid was.

Sure gays have to have rights but this was not about gay rights but my outrage at the hate crime that lies beneath this murder of an innocent child, a perceived gayness of that child. I am sorry but that still boggles the mind.

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This thread is about the murder of a child. Not about "anti-gay hatred". While I'm not a big fan of hatred in any form, to say that that is worse than the murder of a child is nonsense. As has been pointed out in this thread, "anti-gay hatred" was an excuse. If not that, it would have been something else.

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TacticalEvilDan said:

You are mistaking the riverbed for the river. Mental illness is the underlying condition through which the thoughts flow, not the other way around. If this woman is mentally ill (and I'm sure she is), nobody's homophobia was the cause of anything.

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A mother who kills her 4-year old is mentally ill. Whatever the deluded, confused rationale, a mother who can do this is sick (and, obviously, a danger to others and herself).

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apdst said:

See? You keep placing a higher value on this kids murder. "Extra incomprehensible"? You're suggesting that had the kid been killed for any other motivation, it would have been LESS incomprehensible.

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I am sorry if you insist on understanding it the wrong way but I have explained as best I could. I am talking about not being able to comprehend this case in any way shape or form, because it to me is totally incomprehensible at even the furthest stretch of the imagination that someone would kill a child for this reason. That is all I am trying to say.

If you see that as putting a different value on it then so be it, not my problem. I know I am not putting a higher value on it just because I feel that the reason for this child killing seems more incomprehensible TO ME than all the other child killings I have sadly had to read about in the media. That does not make this case "more or less valuable", it makes it just even harder to understand. That is not placing a higher value on the killing but an expression of my total disbelieve as to the reason that this poor kid was murdered.

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mac said:

This thread is about the murder of a child. Not about "anti-gay hatred". While I'm not a big fan of hatred in any form, to say that that is worse than the murder of a child is nonsense. As has been pointed out in this thread, "anti-gay hatred" was an excuse. If not that, it would have been something else.

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No, this thread is about how I do not understand how it is possible that someone can attribute gay behavior to a 4 year old and use this as an excuse to murder him.

I live in a country where a murder does not constitute an automatic life sentence, killing a child is something that should lead to a life sentence in my point of view as does the reason she has given for the murder of this child. Maybe a child murder should lead to a life sentence but that is now how the law in my country works. Maybe in the US she will get life regardless but I think child murderers like this have to be removed from society forever (just like predator child killers, insane child killers and all other people who kill a child with malice and intent).

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I can't speak for everyone, but personally I'm capable of holding the idea that the child's murder was horrific and the idea that the motive was also really bad in my head at the same time without suffering an aneurism.

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Peter King said:

That is why she allegedly murdered her child so why would it not be focused on? If he had been killed for any other ridiculous reason it would also get attention/be focused on.

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There is no evidence to support that allegation. Her other children were examined and all of them showed signs of abuse except for the infant, the younger brother had five broken ribs. The older sister was a witness and said they kept beating him because he didn't listen to them. "He didn't listen to them so they kicked him and punched him and stuff and they kept doing it and doing it."

Jessica Dutro convicted of murder after daughter's account of 4-year-old boy's deadly beating | OregonLive.com

This isn't a gay issue, it's a child abuse issue the latter is what should be focused on.

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Peter King said:

No, this thread is about how I do not understand how it is possible that someone can attribute gay behavior to a 4 year old and use this as an excuse to murder him.

I live in a country where a murder does not constitute an automatic life sentence, killing a child is something that should lead to a life sentence in my point of view as does the reason she has given for the murder of this child. Maybe a child murder should lead to a life sentence but that is now how the law in my country works. Maybe in the US she will get life regardless but I think child murderers like this have to be removed from society forever (just like predator child killers, insane child killers and all other people who kill a child with malice and intent).

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And we live in a country where there is NO excuse for killing a 4 year old child.

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tres borrachos said:

And we live in a country where there is NO excuse for killing a 4 year old child.

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Wow. Did you get from his post that he was saying there was?

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tres borrachos said:

And we live in a country where there is NO excuse for killing a 4 year old child.

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As do I, but it just does not mean that someone gets an automatic life sentence.

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Peter King said:

As do I, but it just does not mean that someone gets an automatic life sentence.

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I think the mother in question here should get death personally, but I don't want to get into a debate on capital punishment.

There are many crimes committed in the world. I personally think parent on child crime is the worst. That's just my opinion.

And this crime was no worse than any other crime where a parent kills an innocent child for no reason. I have 3 sons and they aggravated the crap out of me at various times in each of their lives, and I never, ever gave a thought to hurting them - ever.

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Peter King said:

As do I, but it just does not mean that someone gets an automatic life sentence.

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If someone kills a 4 year old child in your country, and they do not, you should be outraged. For whatever "reason".

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Peter King said:

No, this thread is about how I do not understand how it is possible that someone can attribute gay behavior to a 4 year old and use this as an excuse to murder him.

I live in a country where a murder does not constitute an automatic life sentence, killing a child is something that should lead to a life sentence in my point of view as does the reason she has given for the murder of this child. Maybe a child murder should lead to a life sentence but that is now how the law in my country works. Maybe in the US she will get life regardless but I think child murderers like this have to be removed from society forever (just like predator child killers, insane child killers and all other people who kill a child with malice and intent).

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Key word....excuse.