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Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

Texmex said:
If these kids hadn't been destroying someone else's property there wouldn't have even been an incident.
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Well, if that's what they were doing, it's certainly worth the death penalty. If the kids had refused to come down from the tree house and the cop had shot them, we'd have people on this forum defending the cops. Its the way the Far Right rolls on these kinds of things. Especially if the kid is black.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Before you draw conclusions, which I can tell you already have. You should do the job. But I digress, I am sure the kid is a perfect angel. Was totally respectful and all his actions were appropriate.
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Maybe not, but unless the kid was threatening him with deadly force, drawing a weapon is not justified.
 
Wiggen said:
Well, if that's what they were doing, it's certainly worth the death penalty. If the kids had refused to come down from the tree house and the cop had shot them, we'd have people on this forum defending the cops. Its the way the Far Right rolls on these kinds of things. Especially if the kid is black.
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It's not about race, it's about guns. If you have a gun, you are automatically right, and if you can't see that you hate America.
 
rocket88 said:
Maybe not, but unless the kid was threatening him with deadly force, drawing a weapon is not justified.
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So you think cops should wait till the attack is on, before defending them selves instead of just taking control right of the bat.
 
CRUE CAB said:
How long were you a cop?
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So the cop was right because he had a gun? There's some drug dealers I'd like to introduce you to, you'd love them. They all have guns.
 
SMTA said:
And you are immediately running to the cops defense.

That makes both of you wrong.
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I was just trying to get him to see it both ways. But feel free to miss read all you want.
 
CRUE CAB said:
So you think cops should wait till the attack is on, before defending them selves instead of just taking control right of the bat.
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It's common practice that you don't pull a weapon just because. Why do you think cops are put on leave when they use their weapons?
 
rocket88 said:
So the cop was right because he had a gun? There's some drug dealers I'd like to introduce you to, you'd love them. They all have guns.
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He has a right to go home alive. Oh and I know some too, lets get them together. Or you can man up and do it yourself.
 
CRUE CAB said:
He has a right to go home alive. Oh and I know some too, lets get them together. Or you can man up and do it yourself.
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He has every right to go home alive. At what point was that threatened here?
 
MaggieD said:
Not enough information about this incident to call it. Here's a photo of the kid . . . could be the cop thought the kids were older:

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He was responding to a vandalism complaint. Maybe that's where his head was. Did he point it at them and threaten them with it? I've had an officer unholster his weapon on me. Drew his gun and held it down at his side until he understood what was happening. I didn't think much about it. 'Course to a kid, I'd imagine it'd be scary, exciting and a good story to tell.

I'd also remind people that young kids have guns in some neighborhoods.

Long and short of it is that, without video evidence to see exactly what happened, it's hard to crucify the cop.
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Yeah. It's pretty dangerous to be a cop so they really should threaten everyone they come across just to be on the safe side.
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CRUE CAB said:
Before you draw conclusions, which I can tell you already have. You should do the job. But I digress, I am sure the kid is a perfect angel. Was totally respectful and all his actions were appropriate.
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Whether or not the kid was repsectful or disrepectful is not really material as to whether it was justified to unholster a weapon. This type of idiocy by a very small minority of police officers only gives right wing anarchists (and the declining number of left wing anarchists) more fuel.
 
Lutherf said:
Yeah. It's pretty dangerous to be a cop so they really should threaten everyone they come across just to be on the safe side.
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Because no kids have ever killed anyone ever. In fact, lets disarm all cops and disband all PDs so no "child" will ever have to show respect to a cop or follow a cops demands to stop what they are doing.
 
MaggieD said:
"I unholstered my weapon and held it at my side until I knew what was going on." Sans any other independent witnesses or perhaps previously inappropriate conduct by the officer, if we don't take the word of the copper, we might as well close down the force.
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I agree, but to a point. Such investigations must give the officer's word credence, unless as you mentioned, there is reason to doubt it.

At the same time, if the Officer admits to unholstering the weapon, then he must justify why he unholstered it. If his explanation is vague etc, then the fact that he unholstered the weapon might be grounds alone to discipline him giving the totality of circumstances.

MaggieD said:
I'd also remind people that young kids have guns in some neighborhoods.
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Yes, they do. And "some" police officers have been known to murder citizens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Peyer
Does that mean that a citizen can say, unsling an AR-15 at a traffic stop because the police officer "might" try to harm him? Some libertarian anarchists seem to advocate just that.

At the end of the day, if the only justification that the officer can give is: "Well, the kid might of had a weapon and might be inclined to harm me" , then that officer should be toast.

CRUE CAB said:
Because no kids have ever killed anyone ever.
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What about police? Have they ever unlawfully harmed anyone? At the end of the day, that officer needs to have a better explanation than: He might of tried to murder me because some other 11 year olds have shot police officers. Likewise, the hypothetical libertarian zealot needs a little more than: "Well, I unslung my weapon because the officer "might" try to harm me. Heck, it has happened before- right"
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Because no kids have ever killed anyone ever. In fact, lets disarm all cops and disband all PDs so no "child" will ever have to show respect to a cop or follow a cops demands to stop what they are doing.
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You're spitting in the wind.

I've been there and done that and can comfortably tell you that the cops who are most aggressive cause the most problems.

While it's a good idea to assess each situation based on the idea that there may be a threat it's a bad idea to respond as if there IS a threat until you've got good reason to believe that's the case.
 
Lutherf said:
Yeah. It's pretty dangerous to be a cop so they really should threaten everyone they come across just to be on the safe side.
/s
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Cameras. We have them on squad cars. Why shouldn't coppers wear them? That makes sense to me. I think it's probably past time.
 
CRUE CAB said:
He has a right to go home alive. Oh and I know some too, lets get them together. Or you can man up and do it yourself.
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That does not circumvent the rights of people to be treated civilly.

Spin again.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Because no kids have ever killed anyone ever. In fact, lets disarm all cops and disband all PDs so no "child" will ever have to show respect to a cop or follow a cops demands to stop what they are doing.
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Unless there is some actual evidence that these kids somehow posed a threat, its foolish to defend the indefensible.
 
CRUE CAB said:
I was just trying to get him to see it both ways. But feel free to miss read all you want.
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Your words here indicate quite the opposite.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Because no kids have ever killed anyone ever. In fact, lets disarm all cops and disband all PDs so no "child" will ever have to show respect to a cop or follow a cops demands to stop what they are doing.
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Does not make all kids killers.

Based on your pathetic logic, bad cops make all cops bad.

Try again.
 
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