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Graphic Images Justify Border Patrol's Use of Deadly Force Against Rock Attacks

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The result of obama's new border policy.


Breitbart Texas has reported extensively on the left-of-center campaign to restrict the ability of Border Patrol agents to defend themselves and on the false narratives such open-borders advocates use in their political and media attacks against the men and women of the Border Patrol.
The reality being far from the false narrative of "kids throwing pebbles," the life-threatening rock attacks against Border Patrol agents often occur in remote areas when a solitary Border Patrol agent may be up to a 90-minute drive from their nearest backup. The solitary Border Patrol agent's radio often does not work due to insufficient communications infrastructure along the U.S./Mexico border--leaving the agent alone and unable to call for help. The attacks often come from illegal immigrants trafficking drugs or human beings, or from illegal immigrants trying to divert the attention and resources of the Border Patrol in an effort to assist drug and human traffickers.

Graphic Images Justify Border Patrol's Use of Deadly Force Against Rock Attacks
 
Throwing rocks at men armed with guns would seem to me a bad idea. Are the officers not allowed to defend themselves?
 
Throwing rocks at men armed with guns would seem to me a bad idea. Are the officers not allowed to defend themselves?
New policy is they can't shoot rock throwers. This also brings up the issue of rock slings like David used to kill Goliath. The Apache rock sling is easy to make and deadly. I have one I play with and can hit a can at 50 feet with it over 50% of the time.
 
New policy is they can't shoot rock throwers. This also brings up the issue of rock slings like David used to kill Goliath. The Apache rock sling is easy to make and deadly. I have one I play with and can hit a can at 50 feet with it over 50% of the time.

Slings can indeed be deadly. I used to make them when I was a boy. They can throw a rock the size of an egg for maybe 200 yards or so. It's easy to see how Goliath was actually outgunned.

Sounds like it's time to revisit the ban on shooting at rock throwers.
 
The headline basically says it was justified.

Because after all, the person throwing the rocks was shot and killed.

Also from Breitbart, Nov 6 2013 "Border Patrol Agents Retain Right to Defend Themselves".

...The CPB and Border Patrol Agency decision to continue allowing Border Patrol Agents to defend themselves was first reported by Elliot Spagat of the Associated Press (AP). The AP article was actually quite fair and acknowledged some of the dangers lone Border Patrol agents face while having to operate in remote border region areas. The article acknowledged that the protocols for use-of-force that are appropriate for law enforcement officers in urban areas are often not appropriate in desolate surroundings along the U.S./Mexico border....
Exclusive Interview: Border Patrol Agents Retain Right to Defend Themselves
 
Do you have a link to that there policy, or did I miss something along the way here ?

No link, total lie. At least that what the non believers say. No matter what you say, if its bad about Obama or policy, you better have a "link".
The words of the men and women working the border are not enough. The beatings of those men and women are not enough.
 
Throwing rocks at men armed with guns would seem to me a bad idea. Are the officers not allowed to defend themselves?

Here is a great defense for those throwing rocks from across the border...move back a little.

If BP has to arrest a person in the proximity of the border...why not supply the agents with helmets and face shields?

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Anyone stupid enough to throw rocks at armed officers needs to be shot, preferable while they are still young and have not contributed to the gene pool.
 
Here is a great defense for those throwing rocks from across the border...move back a little.

If BP has to arrest a person in the proximity of the border...why not supply the agents with helmets and face shields?

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Why not just shoot the bastards?

Throw rocks, that's a deadly weapon, got shot, end of story.
 
Do you have a link to that there policy, or did I miss something along the way here ?
Fair point and after more research the don't shoot policy was exaggerated by the media. The new policy seems to be don't shoot unless you have to. Agents are now supposed to avoid situations where rocks are being thrown at them or back off when rocks are being thrown at them. This would seem to me to dramatically hinder agents catching illegal border crossings because all the illegals have to do is throw a rock at the agent or agents pursuing them. One guy with rocks could send the agents scurrying for cover while the rest of his groups makes good their escape. The following article is informative and interesting on this subject and it seems agents have always been very reticent to shoot people throwing rocks at them. They used good judgement and this new directive to back down seems unnecessary. They are now forced to let these people escape into the desert instead of advancing on them and saying in Spanish "stop throwing rocks at us or we will shoot you". The illegals now know that won't happen so they have new found control of the situation.


"The United States Border Patrol has issued new guidelines for agents involved in rock throwing incidents. Contrary to widespread media reports, the new guidelines do not forbid agents from firing their weapons at rock throwers. But Border Patrol Chief Michael Fisher has told agents to avoid situations in which they have no alternative to using deadly force. In 2010, on the dry bed of the Rio Grande underneath the Paso del Norte bridge in Ciudad Juárez across from El Paso, Texas, a Mexican teenager approached the border fence. He was part of group allegedly throwing rocks at a Border Patrol agent. The 15-year-old was shot and killed by that agent. The case spawned a lawsuit and calls for a review of how the Border Patrol deals with “rocking” incidents, as they're called within law enforcement. U.S. Border Patrol El Paso Sector Deputy Chief Carry Huffman said he and his colleagues have already begun to implement the new policy. “What has changed is that this new directive provides guidance on diffusing circumstances before they get to the point where use-of-force might be necessary,” Huffman said. He says that from his level down to the Border Patrol academy, the job now is to reinforce the notion that agents should try, when possible, to avoid firing at rock throwers. But statistics show the Border Patrol has been proactive on this issue well before the new guideline was crafted. Since 2010, agents have been assaulted with rocks 1,700 times. Agents fired back 43 times — 10 people have been killed. Border Patrol Refines Tactics For Rock-Throwing Attacks | Fronteras Desk
 
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Why not just shoot the bastards?

Throw rocks, that's a deadly weapon, got shot, end of story.

I stole this from post #12.


"The United States Border Patrol has issued new guidelines for agents involved in rock throwing incidents. Contrary to widespread media reports, the new guidelines do not forbid agents from firing their weapons at rock throwers.

But Border Patrol Chief Michael Fisher has told agents to avoid situations in which they have no alternative to using deadly force.

that means if an agent does not need to be in direct contact...in stones throw distance....then don't be.

You go down to the border and blast as many rock throwers as you wish; the BP has rules.
 
I stole this from post #12.




that means if an agent does not need to be in direct contact...in stones throw distance....then don't be.

You go down to the border and blast as many rock throwers as you wish; the BP has rules.

Avoiding a rock throwing situation means avoiding doing your job which is to stop illegal border crossings.
 
I stole this from post #12.




that means if an agent does not need to be in direct contact...in stones throw distance....then don't be.

You go down to the border and blast as many rock throwers as you wish; the BP has rules.

Effectively all criminals have to do is bend over and the border patrol is forced to flee. Brilliance!
 
Avoiding a rock throwing situation means avoiding doing your job which is to stop illegal border crossings.

That is not the case.

A person on the other side of the border is not the concern of a BP agent. The job of a BP agent is to aprehend and return persons who unlawfully enter the US. BP agents job is not to 'stop' illegal border crossing.
 
Effectively all criminals have to do is bend over and the border patrol is forced to flee. Brilliance!

Do you not comprehend that people on the other side of the border throw rocks. What crime did they violate? Does Texas law, US law, also apply to Mexican citizens.

Shooting back over the border is not allowing "criminals" carte blance. BP officials have told BP agents not to confront and escalate people on the Mexican side of the border to where it comes to use of deadly force...

That is not that hard to understand.
 
This is nothing new on the border. They hide and keep a lookout for when the coast is clear so they can sneak drugs, undocumented democrats, and weapons across. And they harass the BP whenever they can.


Most Americans have no idea what happens on the border.
 
Do you not comprehend that people on the other side of the border throw rocks. What crime did they violate? Does Texas law, US law, also apply to Mexican citizens.

Shooting back over the border is not allowing "criminals" carte blance. BP officials have told BP agents not to confront and escalate people on the Mexican side of the border to where it comes to use of deadly force...

That is not that hard to understand.

"Don't throw rocks or you'll die". Simple, to the point.
 
Then try them in a court of law.

"Sorry Mr. Border Patrol Agent, I know you liked having an eye but we need to apprehend and take these people to court where, after a long lengthy trial your dignity and character will be smeared, the sob story of this "poor young man" will be hoisted above all other discussion and in the end he'll get at most probation and a welfare check and food stamps. That's JUSTICE!"

**** that, throw rocks, get shot. End of story.
 
The idea of shooting people suspected of crimes, claimed or real is masterstroke of genius.

In a nation reeling in economic morass for six years, with massive deficits and a crushing debt burden, the efficiency of this absolute cunning.

More countries should do it, Canada too. We can simply kill the drug mules and arms dealers, illegals you allow to stay and who figure Canada has better free ****..as it is now we have to claim it was a moose
 
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