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Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

A whole Master's Degree. Oooooooooooo. In what? An MBA? Hahahahahaha

...I already told you...no wonder you've never been given a security clearance: no attention to detail
 
Regardless of whether one agrees with the electronic intrusion into the personal lives of US citizens and your allies, the thinking really is Orwellian.

But that seemed lost on Alexander. "I think our nation has drifted into the wrong place," he told the Times. "We need to recognize that those who are working to protect our nation are not the bad people."

That justifies what? The fact the ELECTORATE is pissed makes THEM wrong?

To suggest the eaves dropping is the sole reason the US has not been attacked since 911 is, frankly, fool's logic. No one has EVER attacked Canada, other than our best friends the United States is proof that the Royal Canadian Mounted Police are doing a great job of protecting the country? We've never been invaded by aliens either, so our security service must be top notch!

Freedom is not being watched by a government. Democracy is NEVER served by secrecy.

That's to problem with those peddling ignorance though. They aren't for freedom nor democracy. They are for their own rule and do not, cannot, substantiate their own claims. They have little understanding of evidence, of statistics, of proof. But will instead default to authority and ignorance when challenged. They are afraid, afraid of what would happen if we knew.
 
...I already told you...no wonder you've never been given a security clearance: no attention to detail

When and where? Quote it. Can you? Or is this just another unsubstantiated claim. I'd like it if you could back up at least one thing you state. Can you? Come on, try it out.
 
You are going against the founders. You keep saying "classified information", but this too is a sham. For while there is certainly information to be classified, you use it as a blank check to keep ALL information classified. And that's right out.

You cannot prove your point, you cannot show the inefficiencies, you cannot demonstrate effect. Just another welfare queen; but unfortunately one with the ability to exercise force against the People.

Huh? Now you're saying all information is classified? Wow.
 
That would be absolutely moronic. Share classified information...presumably all the time...just so you feel better? Nah, I think I'll go with the founders here.

You invoking the founders is pretty moronic in and of itself.
 
Huh? Now you're saying all information is classified? Wow.

It seems that everything you're claiming is. But enough with your dishonest deflections, do you have the proof? Or do you only have more wind?
 
You invoking the founders is pretty moronic in and of itself.

Oppressors use whatever propaganda they can. Those looking to enslave need to keep people ignorant and will try to call forth these emotional responses. But it is nothing more than dishonest and ignorant debate. You'll note that Oldworld has not once directly replied to any call for proof. He only offers up further deflection and dishonesty.
 
When and where? Quote it. Can you? Or is this just another unsubstantiated claim. I'd like it if you could back up at least one thing you state. Can you? Come on, try it out.

Uhhh...kinda easily?

Okay, well I have a Master's Degree in International Relations, ten years in the Army, and nearly 13 now in intelligence. What would your credentials be?

You really shouldn't be trusted with classified information.
 
Uhhh...kinda easily?



You really shouldn't be trusted with classified information.

Woot OK. 1 time you provided proof. I knew you could do it! Shows you may have some understanding of what proof is. So now that that's out of the way, let's get on to the crux of the matter. Having shown that you, at least on some rudamentary level, understand proof, what evidence (proof) do you have of the effectiveness of these current massive spying operations against the American People? What percentage is there, what is the baseline increase from previous tactics? Is the system properly restricted? Are the rights of the American Citizen observed?

Any proof of these things? Or is it just wind.
 
You invoking the founders is pretty moronic in and of itself.

Does it make you mad? I'm not the one calling myself a patriot while hating representative democracy.
 
It seems that everything you're claiming is. But enough with your dishonest deflections, do you have the proof? Or do you only have more wind?

...what? lol
 
Oppressors use whatever propaganda they can. Those looking to enslave need to keep people ignorant and will try to call forth these emotional responses. But it is nothing more than dishonest and ignorant debate. You'll note that Oldworld has not once directly replied to any call for proof. He only offers up further deflection and dishonesty.

Are you saying you're my slave? Neat. I didn't offer proof? Didn't you ask for proof of a Times Square bombing plot? Did I give you proof?

You are...an interesting fella lol
 
Does it make you mad? I'm not the one calling myself a patriot while hating representative democracy.

Those whom hate a representative democracy are those who push ignorance upon the People. For education and knowledge are necessary for the People to control the government and to elect for themselves Representatives they know will do the proper job.

Why do you have such anger and reserve against education? Why do you look to restrict information like you're China? They do the same thing. Same mantra. Keep them ignorant, keep them enslaved. So you're on par with the communists, which isn't good company.
 
Are you saying you're my slave? Neat. I didn't offer proof? Didn't you ask for proof of a Times Square bombing plot? Did I give you proof?

You are...an interesting fella lol

You gave me some articles without demonstration on how the new policies caught it where the old would have failed. Yes. You made assertion, but offered no proof of it. And as I said, even granting that it was 100% the result of the new policies and those alone....1 out of how many? You cannot answer that either. You purposefully hide the efficiency. Dishonest, but expected out of a man trying to save his lunch.
 
The data wasn't being scrutinized, though. They just kept the metadata

I don't doubt that you argue that or are indoctrinated to say such things in public settings, but the lack of official government recognition is not persuasive enough to deny what everyone already knows and believes about the N.S.A. There have simply been too many disclosures over the years for the denial program to work anymore.
 
Those whom hate a representative democracy are those who push ignorance upon the People. For education and knowledge are necessary for the People to control the government and to elect for themselves Representatives they know will do the proper job.

Why do you have such anger and reserve against education? Why do you look to restrict information like you're China? They do the same thing. Same mantra. Keep them ignorant, keep them enslaved. So you're on par with the communists, which isn't good company.

You don't like representative democracy. You don't like that the founders intended for representatives to have information that private citizens wouldn't have. Doesn't sound very patriotic, but luckily you're a freest slave in history, and can move if you like.
 
You gave me some articles without demonstration on how the new policies caught it where the old would have failed. Yes. You made assertion, but offered no proof of it. And as I said, even granting that it was 100% the result of the new policies and those alone....1 out of how many? You cannot answer that either. You purposefully hide the efficiency. Dishonest, but expected out of a man trying to save his lunch.

So I gave you proof. Like I gave you proof I already told you what my degree was in.
 
You don't like representative democracy. You don't like that the founders intended for representatives to have information that private citizens wouldn't have. Doesn't sound very patriotic, but luckily you're a freest slave in history, and can move if you like.

Proof, OldWorld, proof. I am not interested in the propaganda of man looking to save his lunch. I am interested in the numbers and evidence to back the claims of grossly expanded government intervention and spying. Do you have it? Or is this post all your left with?
 
So I gave you proof. Like I gave you proof I already told you what my degree was in.

That's not proof. Maybe International Relations doesn't teach statistics or logic, but in my field of PhD Physics, they do. So understanding proof, apparently to far greater extent than you, I ask again for the numbers, for the statistics, for the evidence that backs your claim. Can you provide it? Yes or no. That's all you got to say.
 
Proof, OldWorld, proof. I am not interested in the propaganda of man looking to save his lunch. I am interested in the numbers and evidence to back the claims of grossly expanded government intervention and spying. Do you have it? Or is this post all your left with?
Yes, and you don't get it. You couldn't even remember I had already told what my degree was in, you shouldn't be trusted with this information.
 
Yes, and you don't get it. You couldn't even remember I had already told what my degree was in, you shouldn't be trusted with this information.

So yes, you are left with dishonest posts which cannot address the substance of the argument. Well at least you can admit it. Fair enough, your opinions are discounted as you have admitted to being unable to support them.
 
So yes, you are left with dishonest posts which cannot address the substance of the argument. Well at least you can admit it. Fair enough, your opinions are discounted as you have admitted to being unable to support them.

What? lol? Dishonest? Ask your representatives about it. Ya know...people that know.
 
Does it make you mad? I'm not the one calling myself a patriot while hating representative democracy.

Did I call myself a patriot somewhere? I imagine you know of these things, so perhaps you can root through all that information you have at your disposal and find where I said such a thing. How long ago was it?

I'm not sure why you mentioned representative democracy since what we are speaking of here and now isn't supported by the people.
 
What? lol? Dishonest? Ask your representatives about it. Ya know...people that know.

Blah blah blah blah, "ask your representative even though you will not be given the information, statistics, and proof necessary to properly judge the actions and platform of your Representative, thus breaking the Republic".

Yes, I know the arguments of the tyrannical. I am merely asking if you have any proof of your arguments. If not, nothing you say should be taken with any amount of seriousness towards expert experience. If you're just a man trying to protect his lunch, then you'll say anything.

Proof, do you have it?
 
Blah blah blah blah, "ask your representative even though you will not be given the information, statistics, and proof necessary to properly judge the actions and platform of your Representative, thus breaking the Republic".

Yes, I know the arguments of the tyrannical. I am merely asking if you have any proof of your arguments. If not, nothing you say should be taken with any amount of seriousness towards expert experience. If you're just a man trying to protect his lunch, then you'll say anything.

Proof, do you have it?

You don't get to know. Sorry, dude. Whine about it some more. Dinner was great, btw <3
 
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