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Aborted babies incinerated to heat UK hospitals

Ockham said:
I think the point is or was, that there's a moral issue at hand. None of the bodily refuse you mentioned save one, ever had a chance to become a functioning human being. I don't know what the laws are in the UK or how common this is. Apparently there's enough of a concern to question the practice. If it was and is common practice and there was never a concern - perhaps it was a manufactured outrage. I do see appendages, diseased organs differently than a fetus.
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So what are they supposed to do with it? The problem seems to be 'with burning it' more than anything. Or is the problem 'burning it - and we use our incinerator to heat the hospital'

No alternative except maybe 'build a separate furnace just for placentas and other prenatal tissues, including the fetus'

Anti-abortion efforts need to be addressed otherwise, not attacking the hospital for their procedures.
 
I'm not sure whether "big gov" being involved or not would effect this practice taking place. My issue is that they told the women in a number of cases that the fetus' had been cremated.
 
Ben K. said:
I'm not sure whether "big gov" being involved or not would effect this practice taking place. My issue is that they told the women in a number of cases that the fetus' had been cremated.
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And it was - in an incinerator with all the other body parts.
 
Gipper said:
My biggest argument is that burning human flesh for energy is incredibly inefficient.
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You're looking at power as the purpose of producing the flesh, but that's not true. The flesh was produced for fun, the energy is just use of byproduct.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I guarantee you John's severed leg was in there, too. Nor does this have diddly squat to do with government.

People apparently find the fact that hospitals have body parts and such that need to be disposed of (and they incinerate it to do so) to be shocking. But it's how things have always been done.

What do you want? A funeral for everything? I might sound callous - but bodily refuse is bodily refuse. Every hospital produces quite a bit: severed fingers, feet, internal organs that were diseased, placentas, and the uterus (cancerous growths, etc)
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Well, when I heard that they were burning them en mass, I though it to be a little grizzly, but I know they have to dispose of them in some way. When I heard they were using them to heat buildings, well that was a bit much.

I doubt that a woman that has an abortion could give a crap about the remains; after all, they just ended their life. But some of them were miscarriages, and I can say from experience, that baby was loved.
So yes, I think a little more respect is required.
 
Rainman05 said:
Well, first off, you make it sound like the babies were alive when they were being incinerated... which is like, untrue. .
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They weren't even babies yet. This is right wing Christian nonsense.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
So what are they supposed to do with it? The problem seems to be 'with burning it' more than anything. Or is the problem 'burning it - and we use our incinerator to heat the hospital'
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I don't have an answer as to what they're supposed to do with it. I personally don't know that I would be in favor of burning it with the garbage though.

Aunt Spiker said:
No alternative except maybe 'build a separate furnace just for placentas and other prenatal tissues, including the fetus'

Anti-abortion efforts need to be addressed otherwise, not attacking the hospital for their procedures.
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They could take it off site and burn it separately - I don't have a problem with the end result being creating power necessarily. I don't know it just seem overly indelicate the way it was written in the article.
 
Anthony60 said:
Aborted babies incinerated to heat UK hospitals - Telegraph

Ten NHS trusts have admitted burning foetal remains alongside other rubbish while two others used the bodies in ‘waste-to-energy’ plants which generate power for heat.

Ah, big government in control of healthcare. Anyone have a problem with this (you know who you are)?
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If you are going to kill them, why worry, where they go? Or are you just upset they aren't paying the mother a kickback?
But seriously. After the killing it would be hypocrisy to cry about the incineration.
 
joG said:
If you are going to kill them, why worry, where they go? Or are you just upset they aren't paying the mother a kickback?
But seriously. After the killing it would be hypocrisy to cry about the incineration.
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See above post for the individual, but as a society, we can do better. There are things that have gone on in the past with human disposal, and things like that are going on today. Let's just not get down and snuggle up with the most evil among us.
 
As I posted on the other thread about this subject...

I imagine the malformed fetus I miscarried at the hospital when I was about 20 weeks gestation and went in the ER because of early labor was disposed of as bio waste after the pathologists finished examining it.

I was told it was so malformed they could not tell what sex it was and that even if I had carried it longer it would never have survived.
 
Just wanted to add that most miscarriages happen very early and the woman has very heavy period with cramps .
Those miscarried embryos and early fetuses are usually flushed down the toilet.
 
1750Texan said:
In the popular movie Noah it is suggested that God killed all the babies alive in the world...

You OK with that depiction of God? as a Baby killer?
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What does some fairy tale have to do with the British using aborted fetuses as a fuel supply?
 
as long as they are not killing fetuses for heat, I don't really care. They have to dispose of them somehow.

Circle of life, and all that jazz.
 
Anthony60 said:
Oh, you are comparing some movie with the NHS burning aborted babies for heat? Well, in one of the Batman movies they were trying to kill all the people in Gotham. Are you okay with NHS doing that too?
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Do you not believe in God? Do you believe in the biblical account of Noah? Is that a false story?
 
Ockham said:
That's a great question. It's a question that the hospital should have (and should have had) internally and then with the surrounding community.
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Why is it the Hospital's concern?

It was the community that set the standards for disposal of medical waste. If "the community" has a problem with aborted fetuses being incinerated, then the 'community' can pass a law and accept responsiblity for the disposal of the aborted fetuses in any manor it wishes.
 
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1750Texan said:
Why is it the Hospital's concern?

It was the community that set the standards for disposal of medical waste. If "the community" has a problem with aborted fetuses being incernerated, then the 'community' can pass a law and accept responsiblity for the disposal of the aborted fetuses in any manor it wishes.
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I think that's what the OP link identified - that there was an order to stop the incineration. So maybe that's what's happening and a further discussion is in order.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I guarantee you John's severed leg was in there, too. Nor does this have diddly squat to do with government.

People apparently find the fact that hospitals have body parts and such that need to be disposed of (and they incinerate it to do so) to be shocking. But it's how things have always been done.

What do you want? A funeral for everything? I might sound callous - but bodily refuse is bodily refuse. Every hospital produces quite a bit: severed fingers, feet, internal organs that were diseased, placentas, and the uterus (cancerous growths, etc)
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Was going to post but you have pretty much nailed it.
 
1750Texan said:
Do you not believe in God? Do you believe in the biblical account of Noah? Is that a false story?
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You were comparing a movie that just came out, which I haven't seen to the aborted/other bodies being burned, is that right? I don't know what they did in that movie. Or are you now switching to the Bible's account?
Why don't you forget about the comparison and make your point in another way?
 
Anthony60 said:
You were comparing a movie that just came out, which I haven't seen to the aborted/other bodies being burned, is that right? I don't know what they did in that movie. Or are you now switching to the Bible's account?
Why don't you forget about the comparison and make your point in another way?
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If you couldn't answer the simple questions I asked...I don't think I can make any other question any more simple.
 
1750Texan said:
Do you not believe in God? Do you believe in the biblical account of Noah? Is that a false story?
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It doesn't have anything to do with this thread. Why are you insistent on trying to derail it?
 
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