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Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

Proving that one is a citizen of Kansas could be somewhat embarrassing.

Get ready for long slow voter lines.

We had our first TX, show your proof of citizenship last election. I had to stand in a very slow moving line for an hour and a half.

Reap what you sow.


What is a citizen of a state anyway? Do I need to be naturalized if I live in a different state than the one I was born in?
 
ID is required for loans.

There is nothing wrong with having to prove your a citizen and who you are to vote.

ID is one thing, citizenship is different. You can be a resident alien and have a valid drivers license. In other words, you don't have to be a citizen to have ID.
 
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Damnit :doh This is going to open the door for voter suppression. Here in KS we have over 15,000 people having their right to vote held up by the Secretary of State now this is just going to spread. Essentially its trying to solve a problem, where there is no problem. Its being used as a political tool by the GOP.

Wouldn't the fact you note there are over 15,000 questioned registrations just in Kansas indicate that there actually is a problem? I can't imagine that it would be terribly hard to prove you're a citizen unless A) you're not a citizen or B) you're too lazy to acquire the proof if you don't already have it, in which case you're probably too lazy to know what you're voting for or about and simply being led to the polls by those who want to use your vote.
 
I have never quite understand why it's okay for the government to force people to provide an ID when buying alcohol, buying cigarettes, buying medical marijuana, enrolling your children in public school, or buying over the counter medication but it's not okay to require an ID to vote.

To be fair, there is a difference between providing ID and providing proof of citizenship - I'm pretty sure you don't need to be a citizen to do any of the things you noted above - in those cases, you're just proving age and/or residence.
 
Loans are not guaranteed in the Constitution.

Correct.

Yet, funny how some don't complain to show id for trivial items, but when it comes to voting, heck one should not have to prove they are who they say they are.
Got it.:mrgreen:

Let me ask you. If you already have an id what is the issue to show it when you vote?
 
Yes, we have to show IDs for lucre based transactions. Is that what you want for the Socialism of our from of democracy?

Not making the connection to showing an id to vote and Socialism.

Then why have people register to vote. Just open the polls and let anyone vote.:mrgreen:
 
Wouldn't the fact you note there are over 15,000 questioned registrations just in Kansas indicate that there actually is a problem? I can't imagine that it would be terribly hard to prove you're a citizen unless A) you're not a citizen or B) you're too lazy to acquire the proof if you don't already have it, in which case you're probably too lazy to know what you're voting for or about and simply being led to the polls by those who want to use your vote.

:agree: If those 15,000 registrations are dealt with in a timely manner, and no one legally allowed to vote is prevented from doing so, then what's the problem? There was a reason that those 15,000 people were targeted for questioning, and if they're legal, no problem. If not, they don't get to vote. The rules have to apply the same for everyone. That's not voter suppression - it's fairness.

Greetings, CJ. :2wave:
 
Well, now what's proof of citizenship? You can have a driver license or photo ID without being a citizen.

Do I need to carry a copy of a birth certificate in my pocket too? How will they know it's a true copy and not a doctored pdf (as was claimed about Obama's)? Proof of citizenship is a big step up from voter ID. Who determines valid proof of citizenship?
Seems to me a photo id and a socialist security number would get someone registered and a photo id and registration card would be enough to prove that registered voters vote. They are low standards and anyone who cashes a check, or drives, or flies, or buys beer or applies for a job or government assistance can meet those minimum requirements.
 
OMIGOSH!!!! Citizens have to have an ID card to vote (and buy cigarettes, alcohol, cash a check, use a credit card, fly on a commercial airline, sign up for available community services, etc). OH THE ****ING HORROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
OMIGOSH!!!! Citizens have to have an ID card to vote (and buy cigarettes, alcohol, cash a check, use a credit card, fly on a commercial airline, sign up for available community services, etc). OH THE ****ING HORROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, for the sake of Capitalism and lucre.
 
I have never quite understand why it's okay for the government to force people to provide an ID when buying alcohol, buying cigarettes, buying medical marijuana, enrolling your children in public school, or buying over the counter medication but it's not okay to require an ID to vote.

Because voting is the singular fundamental right in any form of democracy, and buying alcohol is not. Any measure to make voting harder should be met with extreme skepticism and scrutiny.

When you do this with voter ID laws, you start to see the real motivation.
 
Democracy is a form of Socialism, not for-profit Capitalism, ostensibly, in our republic.

Democracy is how we vote. Socialism is about the ownership of some of the means of production. I think you should use a dictionary prior to posting.
 
:agree: If those 15,000 registrations are dealt with in a timely manner, and no one legally allowed to vote is prevented from doing so, then what's the problem? There was a reason that those 15,000 people were targeted for questioning, and if they're legal, no problem. If not, they don't get to vote. The rules have to apply the same for everyone. That's not voter suppression - it's fairness.

Greetings, CJ. :2wave:

I agree - good morning Lady P
 
Because voting is the singular fundamental right in any form of democracy, and buying alcohol is not. Any measure to make voting harder should be met with extreme skepticism and scrutiny.

When you do this with voter ID laws, you start to see the real motivation.

You're partially correct - voting is perhaps the singular fundemental right of "every citizen" in any form of democracy. Surely, in order that the state/republic doesn't abuse or devalue this fundemental right of citizenship you hold, you should demand that only citizens exercise that fundemental right - correct?
 
Because voting is the singular fundamental right in any form of democracy, and buying alcohol is not. Any measure to make voting harder should be met with extreme skepticism and scrutiny.

When you do this with voter ID laws, you start to see the real motivation.

The fact that voting is more important than buying beer is good reason that the regulations that protect voting from fraud and make it honest be set at a higher standard yet available to all with minimum effort. A picture id and a social security number is not too much to ask.
 
Democracy is how we vote. Socialism is about the ownership of some of the means of production. I think you should use a dictionary prior to posting.

I don't resort to special pleading. In Any Case, it is about Government by We the People. Any questions?
 
The fact that voting is more important than buying beer is good reason that the regulations that protect voting from fraud and make it honest be set at a higher standard yet available to all with minimum effort. A picture id and a social security number is not too much to ask.

When are the several States going to issue driver's licenses or ID cards for free?
 
Because voting is the singular fundamental right in any form of democracy, and buying alcohol is not. Any measure to make voting harder should be met with extreme skepticism and scrutiny.

When you do this with voter ID laws, you start to see the real motivation.

From an organizational perspective: Because voting is the singular fundamental institution of a democracy, the integrity of the institution must be beyond reproach. Every reasonable measure to validate and protect such an institution must at least be considered, if not taken.

From an individual perspective: Displaying a form of identification is no longer a challenging thing to do in today's society and does not make voting unreasonably difficult. We aren't living in the 1800's where validating a person's identification could take months; proving your own identity is no longer a task of great difficulty in today's society. It isn't like people are trying to institute mandatory anthropometric measurement and fingerprinting to validate a person's indentity.
 
Seems to me a photo id and a socialist security number would get someone registered and a photo id and registration card would be enough to prove that registered voters vote. They are low standards and anyone who cashes a check, or drives, or flies, or buys beer or applies for a job or government assistance can meet those minimum requirements.

But a photo ID is not proof of citizenship. Proof of identity perhaps (though there is such a thing as fake ID....). Proving your citizenship is an entirely different standard. You'd have to bring a birth certificate or naturalization papers and hope it's enough. All it takes is a skeptical election worker, and you don't vote ("Well Mr. Rodriguez, if that is your real name, while this piece of paper says you were born in California, it doesn't have a raised seal....").
 
When are the several States going to issue driver's licenses or ID cards for free?

driving is privilege not a right.

to offset the cost of issuing license, fees are charged....or would you prefer to have citizens taxes go up to pay those cost.
 
Yes, for the sake of Capitalism and lucre.
:lamo

Call it a compassionate act. They just want to make sure everyone that is entitled to vote has an ID card which will enable those same individuals to access available government services.
 
:lamo

Call it a compassionate act. They just want to make sure everyone that is entitled to vote has an ID card which will enable those same individuals to access available government services.

If it is required for voting, it should be free, if necessary.
 
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