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Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

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A U.S. District judge in Wichita ruled on March 19 that the federal Election Assistance Committee must change federal voter registration forms in order to account for state laws that require new voters to prove U.S. citizenship. USA Today reporter Alan Gomez talks with Hari Sreenivasan about the ruling's implication for the nation at large.


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Damnit :doh This is going to open the door for voter suppression. Here in KS we have over 15,000 people having their right to vote held up by the Secretary of State now this is just going to spread. Essentially its trying to solve a problem, where there is no problem. Its being used as a political tool by the GOP.
 
Video @: [/FONT][/COLOR]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mr5t8K-uvQ

Damnit :doh This is going to open the door for voter suppression. Here in KS we have over 15,000 people having their right to vote held up by the Secretary of State now this is just going to spread. Essentially its trying to solve a problem, where there is no problem. Its being used as a political tool by the GOP.

Do you believe only citizens should vote?

If you don't, why should foreigners be able to vote in our elections?

If you do, should people prove they are eligible? How?
 
Do you believe only citizens should vote?
Yes.


If you don't, why should foreigners be able to vote in our elections?
They dont.


If you do, should people prove they are eligible? How?
Thats why we have registration.
Also voter fraud is very very rare in this country.. .
http://www.brennancenter.org/issues/voter-fraud
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/voter-fraud-real-rare/story?id=17213376
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/voter-id-laws-charts-maps
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-voter-fraud/2011/10/04/gIQAkjoYTL_story.html
 

Finding a website that agrees with you is not research. I'll prove it below.

How would you recommend that voting officials verify that the person that registered is the person who is voting.
Voter Fraud: We
How Widespread is Voter Fraud? | 2012 Facts & Figures
Lawmakers: Latest voter fraud conviction makes case for voter ID « Watchdog.org
In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds

In the USA Today article I found this paragraph interesting.
In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds. In recent years, my office has secured more than 50 voter fraud convictions. Those include a woman who voted in place of her dead mother, a political operative who cast ballots for two people, and a city councilmember who registered foreign nationals to vote in an election decided by 19 votes. Voter fraud is hard to detect, so cases like these are just the tip of the iceberg.

Greg Abbott wrote that, he's the Attorney General in Texas.
 
Lets see.....how many things we have to show an i.d. ...to do something, or to receive service

i will start with 1........... Department of motor vehicle services...

If you like........please add to the list, so we can see how large that list can grow.
 
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Lets see.....how many things we have to show an i.d. ...to do something, or to receive service

i will start with 1........... Department of motor vehicle services.

If you like........please add to the list, so we can see how large that list can grow.

To register to vote.
 
I have never quite understand why it's okay for the government to force people to provide an ID when buying alcohol, buying cigarettes, buying medical marijuana, enrolling your children in public school, or buying over the counter medication but it's not okay to require an ID to vote.
 
ID is required for loans.

There is nothing wrong with having to prove your a citizen and who you are to vote.
 
ID is required for loans.

There is nothing wrong with having to prove your a citizen and who you are to vote.
Of course. Those are obvious and rational requirements. The left opposes such things because they know it will limit their ability to cheat.
 
Video @: [/FONT][/COLOR]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mr5t8K-uvQ

Damnit :doh This is going to open the door for voter suppression. Here in KS we have over 15,000 people having their right to vote held up by the Secretary of State now this is just going to spread. Essentially its trying to solve a problem, where there is no problem. Its being used as a political tool by the GOP.

Looks like a lot of undocumented democrats will be unable to vote. The only ones being denied the right to vote are those who do not have have that right IE illegals and other people trying to commit voter fraud.
 
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Of course. Those are obvious and rational requirements. The left opposes such things because they know it will limit their ability to cheat.

I could have added to the list. Heck I had to show a ID when I purchased a vehicle and paid cash. Last time I made a run to the dump with yard trash I had to show proof of where I lived to avoid higher fees.

I have yet to see a valid rational argument on why one should not show an ID to vote. I agree that many politicians who dislike the idea cater to those who may not be legally in the US.
 
Video @: [/FONT][/COLOR]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mr5t8K-uvQ

Damnit :doh This is going to open the door for voter suppression. Here in KS we have over 15,000 people having their right to vote held up by the Secretary of State now this is just going to spread. Essentially its trying to solve a problem, where there is no problem. Its being used as a political tool by the GOP.

Not to worry Libs. This will just be added to the list of laws Holder will fail to enforce.
 
Video @: [/FONT][/COLOR]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mr5t8K-uvQ

Damnit :doh This is going to open the door for voter suppression. Here in KS we have over 15,000 people having their right to vote held up by the Secretary of State now this is just going to spread. Essentially its trying to solve a problem, where there is no problem. Its being used as a political tool by the GOP.

The several States no longer have any authority over immigration since 1808. Why do even State elected representatives insist on being bad examples of fiscal conservatism; even the Judicature is being "corrupted" by that moral and civil ethic in our republic.

Article 1, Section 9;
The migration or importation of such persons as any of the states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each person.

Persons residing in a State are citizens of that State for practical purposes.
 
You know it occurs to me that if we didn't have such a huge illegal alien problem then we wouldn't have to worry near as much about voter ID's. Pehaps if Democrats are really as passionate about not requiring ID's to vote then mayhap they should do their best to stop the flow of illegal immigration instead of doing thier best to keep it flowing.
 
The several States don't have an illegal problem; only the general government does due to the sovereign power over immigration.
 
Loans are not guaranteed in the Constitution.

You still have to show an ID to get one.
You have to show an ID to get beer or cigarettes.
you have to show an ID for millions of things that you do

so why is one of the most important institutions in this country not protected by the same thing?
every fraudulent ballot negates a valid vote cast.

I see no problem in having to show an ID to vote.

Yep you have the right to vote that doesn't mean you don't have to prove who you are to do it.
 
Proving that one is a citizen of Kansas could be somewhat embarrassing.

Get ready for long slow voter lines.

We had our first TX, show your proof of citizenship last election. I had to stand in a very slow moving line for an hour and a half.

Reap what you sow.
 
Do you believe only citizens should vote?

If you don't, why should foreigners be able to vote in our elections?

If you do, should people prove they are eligible? How?

Well, now what's proof of citizenship? You can have a driver license or photo ID without being a citizen.

Do I need to carry a copy of a birth certificate in my pocket too? How will they know it's a true copy and not a doctored pdf (as was claimed about Obama's)? Proof of citizenship is a big step up from voter ID. Who determines valid proof of citizenship?
 
Any Person residing in a State is considered a citizen of that State, simply Because, Immigration has not been a States' right since 1808.
 
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