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Russia To Sanction U.S. Senators.....

shrubnose said:
They might cut off access to their vodka and stop providing rides to the space station.
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Heya SN. :2wave: Not to mention stop all inspections with the Salt, plus now stop us from exiting Afghanistan thru what we have been using that's theirs.
 
MMC said:
Putin is expected to release his retaliation list as early as Tuesday and while the final list is still being crafted, it will include top Obama administration officials and high profile U.S. senators, in an effort to roughly mirror the U.S. sanctions against Russian officials and lawmakers, according to diplomatic sources. At the top of the list in Congress is Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin, who recently co-authored a resolution criticizing Russia’s invasion of Crimea.

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Durbin’s inclusion on Putin’s list would mirror Obama’s naming of Valentina Matvienko, the head of the upper chamber of the Russian Duma. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell are not expected to be on the Russian sanctions list.

Sen. John McCain, who traveled to Kiev last weekend to meet with Ukrainian leaders, told The Daily Beast that he expects to be on the list and is happy about it.

“You think I’m not going to be on it?” McCain said. “I would be honored to be on that list.”

McCain said he would not be impacted financially by being subject to a visa ban and asset freeze in the Russian Federation.

“I guess I’m going to have to try to withdraw my money from my secret account in St. Petersburg,” he joked.

Other names that could be on the Russian sanctions list, although not confirmed, include Sens. Robert Menendez (D-NJ) and Bob Corker (R-TN), the leaders of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee who are leading the sanctions drive in the Senate, and Victoria Nuland, the Assistant Secretary of State for Europe, who has been heavily involved in working with the Ukrainian opposition that ousted the Yanokovich government.

One U.S. official who can rest easy is White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, who will not be on Putin’s sanctions list. Carney is rumored to be lobbying to replace former Ambassador Mike McFaul as the next U.S. Ambassador to Moscow, who will also not be on the list.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-sanction-u-senators-200300209--politics.html


While Johnny Quest makes his joke about pulling money out of his secret account. Do you think Johnny here figured out that's what the Russians have been saying all along ever since we tried the very first one. Now What are they going to do in catching a Diplomat traveling on a travel ban? Did any think Diplomatic Immunity still didn't apply?

Yeah and Durbin.....not only put forth a resolution in the House. He has been running around and telling all that Putin is like Stalin and he will go after other Countries. Wonder How Dapper Dick feels about What Gorbachev said with his support for Putin.? What say ye.....for the Play we started with. Will it go round in circles?
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So what you're saying is... No more vodka?
 
MMC said:
Afternoon F&L. :2wave: Yeah I had mentioned that in another thread this morning. As I had brought up when Obama was mocking Putin. The ADHD kid in the back of the class. Now we see what the true reality looks like when it comes down to those two.

Obama winging it and trying to come with the off the cuff remarks. Wont impress Putin. Nor Intimidate him. They hd 3 phone calls with each other.....and while Putin Listened to Obama talk. I just wonder if those calls allowed them to see each other. As I wondered if Putin just put his end down until Obama was done talking.

Interesting to note the Russians aren't thinking of putting Boehner and McConnell on their list.
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Putin, I don't think would do that. he would listen intently looking for clues to weaknesses...

Obama is a talker, he sees himself as winning by convincing others. It works with an ignorant electorate, but not on the world stage.

Putin has decades experience in cut throat politics, Obama has had five years of learning on the job, and he does not learn from mistakes. according to his own supporters practically every screw up is a "Bush did it too' moment.
 
grip said:
Russia can obliterate the world with nukes, not likely. But China can start a market stampede by selling (dumping) our debt, using another currency for trade and cutting us off from buying goods. They could step up sales to Europe, Asia, India, South America and other countries to cover some of the losses. They're already supporting Iran for oil purposes and side with Russia on Syria, but I think that's as far as they'll go for now. The Japan row over the South China sea islands is another hot-point and Taiwan is dicey. Most large nations are opportunists in geopolitical strategics and look for a weakness or strength in another before cozying up.
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Think again.

China sees the US as its number one threat, while Russia is to them what Canada is to you. they have already fired the shot across the bow by making a point of abstaining from the UN vote.

They may appear to be neutral but China gains nothing by siding with the US

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I can't add anything to what Krauthammer said, other that Putin retaliated by putting sanctions on all our senators so that all of the vast wealth they have in Russia will be confiscated. Putin also called Obama a joker but we already knew that.
 
sawdust said:


I can't add anything to what Krauthammer said, other that Putin retaliated by putting sanctions on all our senators so that all of the vast wealth they have in Russia will be confiscated. Putin also called Obama a joker but we already knew that.
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Heya Sawdust. :2wave: Well Putin has also told the EU Russia will reciprocate on their sanctions too.


Russia says it will retaliate against EU sanctions


Russia sharply criticized the European Union on Tuesday for imposing sanctions on Russian officials and lawmakers involved in efforts to make Crimea part of Russia, and said it will retaliate.

"Attempts to speak to Russia in the language of force and threaten Russian citizens with sanctions will lead nowhere," the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

"The adoption of restrictive measures is not our choice; however, it is clear that the imposition of sanctions against us will not go without an adequate response from the Russian side.".....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-says-retaliate-against-eu-sanctions-124355967--sector.html
 
There's not much difference between the White House and the Kremlin at this point. It's funny to watch two power hungry wannabe autarchs play tit for tat.
 
Northern Light said:
There's not much difference between the White House and the Kremlin at this point. It's funny to watch two power hungry wannabe autarchs play tit for tat.
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There is one difference. Obama is still able to deceive many of the right wingers into believing that he's trying to be serious, as opposed to deliberately lying.
 
sawdust said:


I can't add anything to what Krauthammer said
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krauthammer is just a war-mongering kook who wants US taxpayers to continue subsidizing the reckless Israeli govt.

As for Putin's means of retaliation, he could--if he wanted--change his mind about delivering S-300 or S-400 missile defense systems to Iran, OR decide to kick Exxon out of Russia, make life miserable for it there AND the other OPEC countries that are friendly to Russia OR nationalize all its assets in Russia.

The US Congress, of course, routinely gets down on its knees and sucks Rex Tillerson's ****, so anything Exxon wants, Exxon gets. . .

Exxon Mobil Has a Lot to Lose in a Sanctioned Russia - TheStreet
 
Fearandloathing said:
Think again.

China sees the US as its number one threat, while Russia is to them what Canada is to you. they have already fired the shot across the bow by making a point of abstaining from the UN vote.

They may appear to be neutral but China gains nothing by siding with the US

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No, we're still a cash cow for the Chinese, even if they don't like us. They'll stay neutral because they want our money, just not our interference in their affairs.
 
Calls to escalate Russia sanctions leave EU in a quandary

What do you do when sanctions run out?" he asked, leaving hanging the inference that the EU does not want - and could not afford - a more physical confrontation with Russia.

In the end, the ambassador's country joined the rest in unanimously agreeing the measures which were less tough than sanctions imposed by the United States.


Austria is among the doubters. "Sanctions don't solve problems," said Chancellor Werner Faymann. "The solution can only be getting to negotiations."

"We have done what we said we could do, but, yes, the U.S. is from Mars, we are from Venus," said Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski, who wanted at least four more names on the EU list but was rebuffed by other member states.

"I would suggest that we are not overly enthusiastic when it comes to introducing sanctions, because we will pay for it."

http://news.yahoo.com/calls-escalat...;_ylg=X3oDMTBhYWM1a2sxBGxhbmcDZW4tVVM-;_ylv=3
 
Actually there is a difference.
Putin is invading a foreign country, and by his own words, starting Cold War 2.0
Northern Light said:
There's not much difference between the White House and the Kremlin at this point. It's funny to watch two power hungry wannabe autarchs play tit for tat.
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MMC said:
In the end, the ambassador's country joined the rest in unanimously agreeing the measures which were less tough than sanctions imposed by the United States. Austria is among the doubters. "Sanctions don't solve problems," said Chancellor Werner Faymann.
"The solution can only be getting to negotiations."
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Are you enjoying the weaknesses of a FREE society in your mind?
That Putin has a rubber stamp for a congress versus FREELY elected and ACTING Senators and congressman.
Since adjectives/adverbs are acceptable on this forum but nouns aren't, do you enjoy "stabbing" your Nation in the back.
Just because you served doesn't mean "seditionist" actions are acceptable .
 
MMC said:
Calls to escalate Russia sanctions leave EU in a quandary

What do you do when sanctions run out?" he asked, leaving hanging the inference that the EU does not want - and could not afford - a more physical confrontation with Russia.

In the end, the ambassador's country joined the rest in unanimously agreeing the measures which were less tough than sanctions imposed by the United States.


Austria is among the doubters. "Sanctions don't solve problems," said Chancellor Werner Faymann. "The solution can only be getting to negotiations."

"We have done what we said we could do, but, yes, the U.S. is from Mars, we are from Venus," said Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski, who wanted at least four more names on the EU list but was rebuffed by other member states.

"I would suggest that we are not overly enthusiastic when it comes to introducing sanctions, because we will pay for it."

http://news.yahoo.com/calls-escalat...;_ylg=X3oDMTBhYWM1a2sxBGxhbmcDZW4tVVM-;_ylv=3
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It sounds like the Polish Foreign Minister has hit the nail on the head! Brave man, reminding people of the past when faced with what's happening today. It seems that there is a great deal of apprehension in the region, probably with good cause, about agreeing in haste to something which may not be the best solution in the long run, but what might be the lesser of two evils currently. Time will tell...
 
American said:
I hope they sanction the Democrats.
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I'm guessing the Democrats hope that happens, too. Who gives a flying....whether Putin sanctions anybody or not? Hell, McCain is right - it's a badge of honor to be sanctioned by that petty little pissant.
 
NIMBY said:
Actually there is a difference.
Putin is invading a foreign country, and by his own words, starting Cold War 2.0
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Yeah, but the right has this manlove crush on Putin. He's just their kind of guy.
 
polgara said:
It sounds like the Polish Foreign Minister has hit the nail on the head! Brave man, reminding people of the past when faced with what's happening today. It seems that there is a great deal of apprehension in the region, probably with good cause, about agreeing in haste to something which may not be the best solution in the long run, but what might be the lesser of two evils currently. Time will tell...
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If I was the Polish foreign minister, I'd be listening hard for the sounds of Russian tank engines warming up on his border. This is all so reminiscent of the European inaction when Hitler began gobbling up countries one at a time. They'd ring their hands and call for talks to resolve the 'crisis', which of course is exactly what the Germans wanted.
 
NIMBY said:
Are you enjoying the weaknesses of a FREE society in your mind?
That Putin has a rubber stamp for a congress versus FREELY elected and ACTING Senators and congressman.
Since adjectives/adverbs are acceptable on this forum but nouns aren't, do you enjoy "stabbing" your Nation in the back.
Just because you served doesn't mean "seditionist" actions are acceptable .
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The Right clearly has a real admiration for the strong man dictator approach to government. You only have to read any thread on the Ukraine to understand this.
 
grip said:
This is like Putin saying; that if you sanction my countries billionaires, I spit on your Congress. It's literally almost childish, by both parties concerned.

The personal crap isn't professional, nor necessary. And it could lead to unintended consequences if they keep it up. It seems our immature Congress can't comment on other world leaders anymore, without it descending into "nah, nah you're a meanie tyrant and dictator who oppresses everyone". Like they're a bunch of saints.
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You beat me to it. This whole tit for tat thing is so juvenile.

Hmmmm....... Imagine that.

Childish men with nukes.
 
NIMBY said:
Are you enjoying the weaknesses of a FREE society in your mind?
That Putin has a rubber stamp for a congress versus FREELY elected and ACTING Senators and congressman.
Since adjectives/adverbs are acceptable on this forum but nouns aren't, do you enjoy "stabbing" your Nation in the back.
Just because you served doesn't mean "seditionist" actions are acceptable .
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Are you upset with what the Chancellor of Austria is saying. Guess you just discovered that there a whole Mass of people that think nothing like the way you do. Did you once again jump without looking? Any trouble with reading tonight?

Now you can Explain how I am stabbing my nation in the back Nimby. You weren't attempting to bring any of that weakness my way were you now?

Are you upset that Russia is mocking the US and the EU? Instead of looking to put the blame on those that you can't handle taking any message from. Perhaps you should hold those accountable that got out-witted, manipulated, and out played and out-classed. Bout time you start holding those accountable for their failures which can Imperil a Nation.
 
Especially without a shirt on and riding a horse.
Putin wrestling a bear seems to cause Palin to wet her panties .
Wiggen said:
Yeah, but the right has this manlove crush on Putin. He's just their kind of guy.
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polgara said:
It sounds like the Polish Foreign Minister has hit the nail on the head! Brave man, reminding people of the past when faced with what's happening today. It seems that there is a great deal of apprehension in the region, probably with good cause, about agreeing in haste to something which may not be the best solution in the long run, but what might be the lesser of two evils currently. Time will tell...
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Is that what you were thinking the Polish FM was saying Lady P? That he is reminding us of the past. I think he is pointing out that difference between the US and the EU moreso and how things are looked at.....now.
 
MMC said:
Is that what you were thinking the Polish FM was saying Lady P? That he is reminding us of the past. I think he is pointing out that difference between the US and the EU moreso and how things are looked at.....now.
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Poland, especially, has specific reason to remember the recent past. The EU is kinda over a barrel here, because of their proximity to Russia, and their dependence on Russia's oil and gas. It seems they are trying to "go along to get along" while we seem to be pushing towards an outright confrontation. Am I misreading this? Crimea didn't ask for our assistance in anything they wanted to do...we interjected ourselves into the mix. IMO, France is agitating and attempting to draw us into this, the same way they did in Libya, where we will bear the brunt of whatever happens. There seems to be a bigger game in play here, and I don't like the feel of it, that's all.
 
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