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Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

The "sanctions are bad" schtick is going to go over really well in the GOP primaries.

Well then go vote in a Republican primary.
 
Funny you threw in a bunch of BS ontop of the 'legal' BS... like the US sending in military of some flavor.

But back to the legality is Quebec a semi-autonomous region with it's own Parliament? Was it recently attached to the rest of Canada? Does the US have 16,000 troops stationed there? Was the USofA in Quebec for centuries?

The Kurds in Iraq are a better place to try and explain the 'legalities'. Quebec has been part of Canada for centuries, the Crimea has not been part of the Ukraine for centuries.

The Crimea was not a majority of Russians for centuries. Stalin removed (and killed) most non-Russians in Crimea - which of course you believe is an entirely legitimate way to declare a territory rightly is yours - and, of course, since you support separate-but-equal ethnic segregation which country a person is with should be based upon their ethnicity.
 

I think he is out of office, was only a congressman if the term only applies. He did run for president but didn't do all that good. I am not even sure he deserves a thread on him. Now having said that, I think with all of this Ukraine stuff, the Crimea etc all being in Russia's backyard, it really isn't all that much our business. History shows the Ukraine has been part of Russia for a very long time, it is their sphere of influence. Now if Russia started to work its way west and was threatening Poland, then I would be more worried about it than with the Crimea. So in a way I am siding with Ron Paul although I do not think he deserves this attention.
 
Funny you threw in a bunch of BS ontop of the 'legal' BS... like the US sending in military of some flavor.

But back to the legality is Quebec a semi-autonomous region with it's own Parliament? Was it recently attached to the rest of Canada? Does the US have 16,000 troops stationed there? Was the USofA in Quebec for centuries?

The Kurds in Iraq are a better place to try and explain the 'legalities'. Quebec has been part of Canada for centuries, the Crimea has not been part of the Ukraine for centuries.

My original response stands.
 
Economic sanctions are an act of war.
 
According to that nutbag, other nations can do anything but if the US so much as sneezes it's an "act of war".

At this point, one would think everyone is aware of his lunacy. Yet, some people still take his comments on foreign policy as legit. :screwy


He and his son exist on the backs of idiots. Obviously, they know it. They're just manipulating stupid gullible people and providing fodder for wannabe jihadists.

His son is winning straw polls and polling as the GOP favorite to run for president
 
Someone is going to have to explain this more to me as I don't seem to get it. Crimea voted to leave Ukraine and join Russia. That's their right, no? I am sure there is some behind the scenes going on here, I just don't know enough about the situation I guess.

No it is not their right. According to the constitution any votes on dividing the Ukraine must be voted on nationwide. Not only that but Putin signed a pact stating that Russia would protect Ukrainian sovereignty.
 
I'll put it in a context for you, closer to home. Here in Canada, the Province of Quebec has been talking separation for a few decades now and actually had several votes on the matter, which failed. Our Supreme Court ruled several years back that a vote on a Province separating now has certain rules that must be followed before it's legit - as well as certain consequences, such as assuming share of the national debt, creation of their own currency, etc.

Now, if the Quebec Provincial government (insert Crimea's Provincial government for context) decided to ignore the federal government and supreme court's rules for a referendum authorizing separation and held such a vote within a week or two, the vote to separate would have no legal basis or grounds for being recognized as legitimate. Add to that, if US militias - quasi US military troops - flooded into the Province of Quebec and managed the vote, threatened the populace, and the US Congress passed a law authorizing US intervention in the vote and the US President talked up Quebec joining the US, you would then have a situation similar to what's happening in Crimea and the Ukraine these days.

And what if the 'Oui' side had won tha night...it almost did? Parizeau was apparently going of immediately declare Quebec a nation. And what could Ottawa have done about it...nothing. Send in troops? No chance.

I don't care what the Supreme Court said or what guidelines Chrétien got through...IMO, if 50%+1 of the vote goes for separation...then that means they should be able to separate.


And the Ukrainian constitution is not as 'reasonable' as Canada's on the subject. To my knowledge, even if 100% of Crimeans wanted to separate...they cannot without Kiev's say so...that is ridiculous.

If a state/province votes to leave, they should be able to leave...no matter what the constitution says.


And the whole thing is absurd.

Obama and the west vilify this legal referendum (even if it was held under far less then ideal circumstances).

But they immediately praise and recognize the illegal overthrow of a legally-elected government in Kiev.

This is hypocrisy...pure and simple.


I don't like Putin and I would have liked some international observers on the ground for the referendum...but the results are in, the people have chosen.

And as far as I am concerned, the Crimea should be allowed to do as it's people voted to do on this...join Russia.
 
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Being the non-interventionist that he is, should we be really surprised? What type of intervention ISN'T an act of war to him?

A non-interventionist might say "What is going on in Ukraine is awful, this blatant aggression from a thinly veiled autocrat is contemptible. Nevertheless we have no business injecting ourselves into another countries state of affairs half a world away." Instead Paul opted to express his blatant sympathies for the autocratic regime in Moscow. Some 'libertarian'.
 

Until I read the article, I hadn't thought too much about the financial sanctions. But, basically confiscating what might amount to hundreds of millions of dollars sets an interesting precedent.

What happens if China does something we don't like? Are we suddenly going to pay off our national debt? This could set in motion a series of events that could be very harmful to our own economy...

What right do we have to freeze a country's assets? Really. What right do we have? Should our government be able to basically steal from citizens of foreign countries? Or governments of same? What will we do when foreign countries start freezing our citizens' assets in their countries? Or taking over American corporate assets within their borders?

This could go hot.
 

He is right.

What business is it of ours what goes on over there. Russia wants to recognize Crimea as an independent state and not part of the Ukraine, fine. who cares.

But to put sanctions on a country for doing so is insane.

I guess the Obama Admin. just wants to get one foreign policy thing right before he is out of office....looks like the wait continues.
 
According to that nutbag, other nations can do anything but if the US so much as sneezes it's an "act of war".

At this point, one would think everyone is aware of his lunacy. Yet, some people still take his comments on foreign policy as legit. :screwy


He and his son exist on the backs of idiots. Obviously, they know it. They're just manipulating stupid gullible people and providing fodder for wannabe jihadists.

Nah he's just a batty old man. My late grandfather was the same way, down to the ideology. They even looked alike. Smartest man I ever met, a nuclear researcher and a college professor, but outright batty. I have no doubt Ron Paul believes every word he says, passionately. He's that kind of mad scientist, where the line between crazy and genius are somewhat blurred.
 
Nah he's just a batty old man. My late grandfather was the same way, down to the ideology. They even looked alike. Smartest man I ever met, a nuclear researcher and a college professor, but outright batty. I have no doubt Ron Paul believes every word he says, passionately. He's that kind of mad scientist, where the line between crazy and genius are somewhat blurred.

Rand is combining two favorites: congress and frivolous lawsuits. Who's voting for these wackjobs. I'll tell ya, CTers. That's one group all over the 'sue the nsa' and 'close all foreign bases'. Militias. Unabombers...
 
Rand is combining two favorites: congress and frivolous lawsuits. Who's voting for these wackjobs. I'll tell ya, CTers. That's one group all over the 'sue the nsa' and 'close all foreign bases'. Militias. Unabombers...

Rand Paul has a zero percent chance of ever being president. Never gonna happen. He is just a two bit congressman from a rural state and that's all he'll ever be. Frankly, he's not a bad guy, just not presidential material.
 
The Crimea was not a majority of Russians for centuries. Stalin removed (and killed) most non-Russians in Crimea - which of course you believe is an entirely legitimate way to declare a territory rightly is yours - and, of course, since you support separate-but-equal ethnic segregation which country a person is with should be based upon their ethnicity.

Remind me again of how the west was won in this country? You seem a real do as I say, not as I have done sorta guy... Then of course there is our suppression of Independence in the Philippines after we 'liberated' them from mean ol' Spain.

Dance it around anyway you want, but if the Tartars were still there they damn sure wouldn't want to be Ukrainian... :doh

Face it, the Crimea has absolutely no ties to the Ukraine.
 
Rand Paul has a zero percent chance of ever being president. Never gonna happen. He is just a two bit congressman from a rural state and that's all he'll ever be. Frankly, he's not a bad guy, just not presidential material.

He panders to the Alex Jonesers.
 
Rand Paul is down 39-49 to Hillary Clinton.
Since Christie beached himself, Paul is the only GOP hope.
Paul's base coalition is far different from Romney's, yet Romney's is the elite base that always votes and will never vote for Clinton.
Paul has the Libertarian/TEA/OWS/Sanders voters and will break the DEMs hold on the young.
Paul is also making direct overtures to minorities, having just been received politely by a "Latino" group and will be meeting soon with the NAACP.
I am not a spokesman for R. Paul, just a casual DEM on-looker ,

Rand Paul has a zero percent chance of ever being president. Never gonna happen. He is just a two bit congressman from a rural state and that's all he'll ever be. Frankly, he's not a bad guy, just not presidential material.
 
And what if the 'Oui' side had won tha night...it almost did? Parizeau was apparently going of immediately declare Quebec a nation. And what could Ottawa have done about it...nothing. Send in troops? No chance.

I don't care what the Supreme Court said or what guidelines Chrétien got through...IMO, if 50%+1 of the vote goes for separation...then that means they should be able to separate.


And the Ukrainian constitution is not as 'reasonable' as Canada's on the subject. To my knowledge, even if 100% of Crimeans wanted to separate...they cannot without Kiev's say so...that is ridiculous.

If a state/province votes to leave, they should be able to leave...no matter what the constitution says.


And the whole thing is absurd.

Obama and the west vilify this legal referendum (even if it was held under far less then ideal circumstances).

But they immediately praise and recognize the illegal overthrow of a legally-elected government in Kiev.

This is hypocrisy...pure and simple.


I don't like Putin and I would have liked some international observers on the ground for the referendum...but the results are in, the people have chosen.

And as far as I am concerned, the Crimea should be allowed to do as it's people voted to do on this...join Russia.

The White House claims the election was a complete fraud and Russia brought in pre-marked ballots to count. Do claim the Obama White House is lying?

I would think elections called for and overseen by an invading and occupying military force seeking to have the voters vote for the county of the invaders certainly would have to be an honest election, right?
 
I believe Ron Paul to be consistent here, if only consistently irrelevant. When in Congress, I believe Ron Paul also characterized sanctions against Iran and North Korea as "acts of war" - does anyone believe that the US is at war with Iran and/or North Korea?

That's only because neither of them have the capability to challenge us.
 
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