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US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

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We talked tuff.....telling Russia they must pull out. Bout it! Then we offered the Russians a deal. Of course Lavrov said they can talk and work out something, again.

The United States Sunday strongly rejected a vote in Crimea on breaking away from Ukraine, and called Russian actions in the crisis "dangerous and destabilizing."

"This referendum is contrary to Ukraine’s constitution, and the international community will not recognize the results of a poll administered under threats of violence and intimidation from a Russian military intervention that violates international law," White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

The White House statement came as Crimea's pro-Moscow authorities announced that exit polls showed a 93 percent vote in favor of becoming part of Russia.

"The United States has steadfastly supported the independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity of Ukraine since it declared its independence in 1991, and we reject the 'referendum' that took place today in the Crimean region of Ukraine," Carney said.

In a phone call with Lavrov, Kerry urged Moscow to pull back Russian forces to their bases in Crimea in exchange for constitutional reforms to protect minority rights.

A senior State Department official said Kerry "made clear that this crisis can only be resolved politically and that as Ukrainians take the necessary political measures going forward, Russia must reciprocate by pulling forces back to base, and addressing the tensions and concerns about military engagement."

Kerry's overture appeared to receive a positive echo in Moscow, where the foreign ministry said Lavrov and Kerry agreed to look for ways to defuse the crisis through "the launch as soon as possible of a constitutional reform with the support of the international community.".....snip~

US rejects Crimea vote, says Russian actions 'dangerous'
 
And, like all elections, the US has to approve or they aren't valid.
 
Dittohead not! said:
And, like all elections, the US has to approve or they aren't valid.
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In a phone call with Lavrov, Kerry urged Moscow to pull back Russian forces to their bases in Crimea in exchange for constitutional reforms to protect minority rights.....snip~


Heya DH. :2wave: Like how Kerry offered up that lil bit in exchange for Putin to pull out. :lamo
 
Dittohead not! said:
And, like all elections, the US has to approve or they aren't valid.
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I don't know what the Ukraine constitution says but I'm guessing the vote probably isn't constitutional.

That said I'm willing to bet the majority of Crimean's probably do want to be part of Russia. There's nothing we can do about it and there's nothing we should do about it.
 
Gaius46 said:
I don't know what the Ukraine constitution says but I'm guessing the vote probably isn't constitutional.

That said I'm willing to bet the majority of Crimean's probably do want to be part of Russia. There's nothing we can do about it and there's nothing we should do about it.
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Heya Gaius. :2wave: Yeah 93% or so they are saying. Well.....I want to see if we go thru with the Economic Sanctions like Kerry said that would take place immediately Monday.

I know it was over the phone.....but Lavrov did say they can look for way to defuse the crisis.


Which is probably true. That Lavrov is willing to look for way. Doesn't mean they will agree to any way they find. Nor accept it. Still.....they can agree to look. :roll:

Myself.....I wonder how Kerry keeps falling for the same tactic.
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Do you gentlemen look at North Korean elections and think they are valid?

I can't believe the amount of cynicism I'm seeing here, of course its a fake election how is there any room to doubt that? Hell the entire thing started when some gunmen took over Parliament and declared that a vote had taken place to hold this election, there's no formal record of it taking place nor is there a list of which members of Parliament were present or how they voted. There's not even an option on the ballot to keep things the way they currently are, ie there's no ability for the people to vote "no change."
 
Wiseone said:
Do you gentlemen look at North Korean elections and think they are valid?

I can't believe the amount of cynicism I'm seeing here, of course its a fake election how is there any room to doubt that? Hell the entire thing started when some gunmen took over Parliament and declared that a vote had taken place to hold this election, there's no formal record of it taking place nor is there a list of which members of Parliament were present or how they voted. There's not even an option on the ballot to keep things the way they currently are, ie there's no ability for the people to vote "no change."
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Yeah.....it would be kind of hard for all those Russian Crimeans who favor Russian to Celebrate, Right. They would be forced to go out and parade around.....huh?
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Sunday, March 16, 2014
In an atmosphere of joy Crimeans are waiting polling stations opening to vote. Unlike the neo nazi coup d'état in Kiev Crimean people will have the opportunity to choose their future in a democratic way, with this status referendum Crimea and Russia gives a huge democracy professorship to the west and provides an alternative to the world geo politics.
 
Respect the will of the people - US said it so many times in the past ......

They can judge for ages as illegal but the fact is that Crimea want and is going to join Russia and no one can change it now.
 
Wiseone said:
Do you gentlemen look at North Korean elections and think they are valid?

I can't believe the amount of cynicism I'm seeing here, of course its a fake election how is there any room to doubt that? Hell the entire thing started when some gunmen took over Parliament and declared that a vote had taken place to hold this election, there's no formal record of it taking place nor is there a list of which members of Parliament were present or how they voted. There's not even an option on the ballot to keep things the way they currently are, ie there's no ability for the people to vote "no change."
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I trying to find the article I read where a Crimean member of parliament was quoted as saying that he had been visited by a Russian military officer and told that he go immediately to the parliament building to vote. He refused. But when the vote count was shown on Russian TV, it showed he had voted in favor of the change in government to control by the Pro-Russian group that only got 4% in the last real election.

He didn't even go to the parliament and yet they showed him voting.

I'll keep looking.
 
Beaudreaux said:
I trying to find the article I read where a Crimean member of parliament was quoted as saying that he had been visited by a Russian military officer and told that he go immediately to the parliament building to vote. He refused. But when the vote count was shown on Russian TV, it showed he had voted in favor of the change in government to control by the Pro-Russian group that only got 4% in the last real election.

He didn't even go to the parliament and yet they showed him voting.

I'll keep looking.
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I don't think anyone with a working brain is going to think the election was fair and free.
 
Coin said:
Respect the will of the people - US said it so many times in the past ......

They can judge for ages as illegal but the fact is that Crimea want and is going to join Russia and no one can change it now.
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Yeah Coin.....I think the Numbers bears that out.


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obvious Child said:
I don't think anyone with a working brain is going to think the election was fair and free.
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I do not think that anyone with a working brain think that there are fair and free elections on this planet.
 
obvious Child said:
I don't think anyone with a working brain is going to think the election was fair and free.
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Normally I save links to articles like the one I mentioned, but I didn't that time. I'm having a hard time trudging through all the articles that are about the recent vote and can't find ANY right now about the vote taken the night the Russians stormed the Parliament.

I'm still looking though, because there will be many on this board that won't believe it until i can find it, and some that still won't believe it then.

As for the vote today... Russia said the vote would be 90+% in favor a week ago, and the Russian exit polls show 93% in favor today (imagine that). Reminds me of the most recent "vote" in North Korea a week or so ago when Kim Jong Un got 100% of the "vote." And the Soviet Union "votes." And the Venezuelan "votes." And the Cuban "votes." And so on and so on....
 
MMC said:
Yeah.....it would be kind of hard for all those Russian Crimeans who favor Russian to Celebrate, Right. They would be forced to go out and parade around.....huh?
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Sunday, March 16, 2014
In an atmosphere of joy Crimeans are waiting polling stations opening to vote. Unlike the neo nazi coup d'état in Kiev Crimean people will have the opportunity to choose their future in a democratic way, with this status referendum Crimea and Russia gives a huge democracy professorship to the west and provides an alternative to the world geo politics.
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There are certainly some people that want to split from the Ukraine, but the idea that this election is an honest representation of the opinion of the Crimean people is stupid.
 
Wiseone said:
There are certainly some people that want to split from the Ukraine, but the idea that this election is an honest representation of the opinion of the Crimean people is stupid.
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Post 11 points out those numbers for you Wiseone. With the Chart.
 
Gaius46 said:
I don't know what the Ukraine constitution says but I'm guessing the vote probably isn't constitutional.

That said I'm willing to bet the majority of Crimean's probably do want to be part of Russia. There's nothing we can do about it and there's nothing we should do about it.
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Exactly. Let the people of Crimea/Ukraine debate the issue. We don't run the world.
 
Wiseone said:
You don't know anything at all.
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100 times more than you at your best point in life. That's why more look to me to Lead the Way. Then that which you sport. Same deal when it came to that hat.

That's why you can't figure out the percentages of the vote.
 
Gaius46 said:
I don't know what the Ukraine constitution says but I'm guessing the vote probably isn't constitutional.

That said I'm willing to bet the majority of Crimean's probably do want to be part of Russia. There's nothing we can do about it and there's nothing we should do about it.
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And I am pretty sure the Ukrainian Government isn't constitutional either.. 'member they "overthrew" the elected Government.
 
MMC said:
100 times more than you at your best point in life. That's why more look to me to Lead the Way. Then that which you sport. Same deal when it came to that hat.

That's why you can't figure out the percentages of the vote.
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What?
 
US: Democracy, dammit! 'Murica, dammit! Stars and Stripes!

Russia: Hmm? Oh, right yeah. Uh Huh. You don't say. For real? Wow. Pass the salt.
 
MMC said:
Yeah that's what I thought......glad you think that helps your case. :lol:
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Saying something difficult to understand because its poorly written and then acting smug because people can't understand your poor writing doesn't make you smart.
 
NoC_T said:
US: Democracy, dammit! 'Murica, dammit! Stars and Stripes!

Russia: Hmm? Oh, right yeah. Uh Huh. You don't say. For real? Wow. Pass the salt.
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:lol: Stealin My Kid Rock routine eh bro. Course that's pass the Vodka :mrgreen:
 
Wiseone said:
Saying something difficult to understand because its poorly written and then acting smug because people can't understand your poor writing doesn't make you smart.
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Well Wiseone saying what you did got the appropriate response. Since you don't know how to read percentages off a chart. Nor even figure out that part about all those Ukrainians refusing to vote because they don't believe the vote is legal. Which leaves all those loyal supporters to run to Putin. Their choice.
 
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