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Edward Snowden is a hero: Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak

Edward Snowden is not hero. Edward Snowden is an indicator failure of our president. In all regional, external and internal.
 
Many think that Snowden did the right thing in the wrong way. But I don't see how he could've done it different. Notifying an outside senate committee wouldn't have brought this to light, or put public pressure on the NSA for spying on us. They would've buried the info and probably him with it.

Anytime the government gets caught abusing power is not an excuse to say, "it's for our own good".
 
SgtRock said:
No problem. Try google search next time. Many articles about this subject. The DoD has concluded that Eddy "the traitor" Snowden has put our troops at risk. This POS needs to swing from a rope for putting our troops at risk.

‘Lethal consequences’ seen in NSA leak - Leigh Munsil - POLITICO.com
DIA Director: Snowden Potentially Put Lives of U.S. Troops at Risk; DNI:
Intel Heads: Edward Snowden Did 'Profound Damage' to U.S. Security - ABC News
NSA Says Snowden Leaks Put US Soldiers at Risk | The Fiscal Times
Pentagon Report Says Snowden's NSA Leaks Risk Lives - US News
Intel panel: DOD report finds Snowden leaks helped terrorists | TheHill

The DoD will not elaborate on the damage done to our security or the risk to our troops. They will confirm such a risk is real. There is a reason they do not elaborate. Think about it, they would risk further damage to our security and safety.
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with so many citizens sitting in the fence, trying to figure out whether snowden was a selfless patriot or a ****ing traitor, it would be in the government's interest to show the public proof how snowden has damaged our nation. yet it does not
 
DA60 said:
And just which country could he have 'run to' that would have semi-guaranteed his safety?


As for secrets he may have given to the Russians?

Where is your link to unbiased factual proof that he gave even ONE military secret to the Russians?
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You cannot possibly be that naïve. Oh wait, yes you can. You still think Russia is the good guys in every international dispute. The notion that this guy would defect to Russian with every secret in the files of the NSA and the Russians wouldn't want it is beyond naïve. Its stupidity.
 
justabubba said:
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with so many citizens sitting in the fence, trying to figure out whether snowden was a selfless patriot or a ****ing traitor, it would be in the government's interest to show the public proof how snowden has damaged our nation. yet it does not
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Nor should they. To do so would confirm the truth of every secret he gave them.
 
SgtRock said:
No problem. Try google search next time. Many articles about this subject. The DoD has concluded that Eddy "the traitor" Snowden has put our troops at risk. This POS needs to swing from a rope for putting our troops at risk.

‘Lethal consequences’ seen in NSA leak - Leigh Munsil - POLITICO.com
DIA Director: Snowden Potentially Put Lives of U.S. Troops at Risk; DNI:
Intel Heads: Edward Snowden Did 'Profound Damage' to U.S. Security - ABC News
NSA Says Snowden Leaks Put US Soldiers at Risk | The Fiscal Times
Pentagon Report Says Snowden's NSA Leaks Risk Lives - US News
Intel panel: DOD report finds Snowden leaks helped terrorists | TheHill

The DoD will not elaborate on the damage done to our security or the risk to our troops. They will confirm such a risk is real. There is a reason they do not elaborate. Think about it, they would risk further damage to our security and safety.
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If the 'Snowden is a hero' crowd were to believe this, it would do serious damage to their core beliefs. Therefore they choose not to believe it. I'm amazed at the stupidity of people.
 
DaveFagan said:
I think Snowden is responsible for the Congressional review of Intelligence Agencies spying that is going on at this time. I don't uderstand why the Intelligence Agency leaders that lie to Congress, specifically Clapper and McCullogh, are not indicted for perjury. He has done us all a great service and should get a medal.
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He'll probably receive one. I'm guessing 'The Order of Lenin'. He would get the 'Hero of the Soviet Union' medal, but since they don't exist any more, he'll get the Russian equivalent.
 
jamesrage said:
He probably ran to Russia because it would stupid to run to a country that'll deport him.
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There are a whole lot of countries that wouldn't deport him. France is one that comes to mind. We can't even get the child raper Polanski from them.
 
justabubba said:
march 14, 2014 issue
what causes this to be too old to post in breaking news?

here is a re-post from Blue_State, which seems to accurately describe snowden's legal circumstance
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Breaking News!

Someone likes Snowden!!!



:roll:
 
Snowden is an extraordinary man. Like or dislike his choices, respect that he made them, that he put it all on the line for his beliefs.

How many of the rest of us can make the same claim?
 
ecofarm said:
Breaking News!

Someone likes Snowden!!!



:roll:
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more nonsensical silliness from you
from breaking news:
New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room
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child birth. it's been done before. nothing new here
Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum
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as if the UN is not filled with nations which have declared their own independence. old hat
Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?
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how long has it been since rome fell? the falling of civilizations is something new?!
Investigators conclude missing jet hijacked, steered off course, official says
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jet hijackings have been going on since the 60's. this is not new news
Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal
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the title even tells us this is not new, that learner has already testified before the house comittee
Beer makers drop out of St. Patrick's Parades that Ban Openly Gay Marchers.....
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saint paddy day events have been ongoing for years and years, yet this is allowed to be in breaking news. surprised eco did not take a snarky pass at this thread, too
 
SgtRock said:
I am a proud veteran of the US Army.
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You were never a veteran of the US Army--there's no such thing. You only fought for the US govt's army.

SgtRock said:
You are the type who spits on OUR troops when the come back from war.
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Your gummint--the one you so proudly fought for--already does that. . .

Disabled Military Retirees Not Exempt from Pension Cuts in Budget Deal | Washington Free Beacon

SgtRock said:
We are a government of the people.
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:lamo on what planet? ?. If it isn't already brutally obvious, if the US did have a government by the people, the gummint's military wouldn't be at war in Afghanistan--because the people oppose it.

Fortunately, people like Snowden are fighting to make it a govt. by the people.
 
SgtRock said:
No problem. Try google search next time. Many articles about this subject. The DoD has concluded that Eddy "the traitor" Snowden has put our troops at risk. This POS needs to swing from a rope for putting our troops at risk.

‘Lethal consequences’ seen in NSA leak - Leigh Munsil - POLITICO.com
DIA Director: Snowden Potentially Put Lives of U.S. Troops at Risk; DNI:
Intel Heads: Edward Snowden Did 'Profound Damage' to U.S. Security - ABC News
NSA Says Snowden Leaks Put US Soldiers at Risk | The Fiscal Times
Pentagon Report Says Snowden's NSA Leaks Risk Lives - US News
Intel panel: DOD report finds Snowden leaks helped terrorists | TheHill
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The only sources you provided are the US govt., the US govt., the US govt.--the same govt. that lied about Iraq WMDs, lied about phone record spying, lied about embassy security, . . .

Next time you quote sources, look up and learn this word. . .

Credibility - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

SgtRock said:
The DoD
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has zero credibility. See above for the definition.
 
SgtRock said:
What this low level punk did was illegal and treasonous.
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What the NSA did was illegal and treasonous,what those who continue to authorize the NSA spy on Americans was illegal and treasonous.The NSA wiped their fecal covered ass with the 4th amendment.Those in office authorized and continue to authorize the NSA to do that. Last I checked those people make an oath to uphold and or defend the constitution. Last I checked the Constitution is the supreme law of the land,therefore any law that violates it is illegal. Therefore revealing the NSA's treasonous and illegal activities is not illegal. Snowden should be commended not condemned.

He has compromised our security and put our troops at risk.
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What exactly did he release that did that? Did he reveal troop locations and movement?

And he is your hero?
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Before Snowden anyone claiming the government is spying on you was dismissed as a tin foil hat wearer. He did a great service.
 
Wiggen said:
There are a whole lot of countries that wouldn't deport him.
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But most of them do not have the force necessary to stand up to the US.If the US applied enough preasure they could have got that child rapist extradited to the US or easily stage an accident.
 
SgtRock said:
I am a proud veteran of the US Army.
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As a proud veteran you just like us other proud veterans made an oath to uphold and or defend the constitution as a condition of our service just like our elected officials and many people who run the NSA do.
 
Wiggen said:
You cannot possibly be that naïve. Oh wait, yes you can. You still think Russia is the good guys in every international dispute. The notion that this guy would defect to Russian with every secret in the files of the NSA and the Russians wouldn't want it is beyond naïve. Its stupidity.
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So you have ZERO proof that he has told the Russians anything more then what he released to the public...noted.

So Wiggen's law is - guilty until proven innocent...good to know.


And I said nothing about the Russians being the 'good guys' as you so simplistically put it.

Good day.
 
Carleen said:
Where is your proof that he didn't? I also wonder what happened to the guy who gave him his access to the info. Haven't heard a thing or maybe I am just uninformed.
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It is innocent until proven guilty...not guilty until proven innocent.

Or do you disagree with that?


I never said he did or did not...but unlike many here, I will condemn him for a crime only after the proof has been presented...not on the assumption that it will.
 
grip said:
Many think that Snowden did the right thing in the wrong way. But I don't see how he could've done it different. Notifying an outside senate committee wouldn't have brought this to light, or put public pressure on the NSA for spying on us. They would've buried the info and probably him with it.

Anytime the government gets caught abusing power is not an excuse to say, "it's for our own good".
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Agreed. And if Snowden hadn't done what he did, claims about our government spying on us would have remained tidily within the realm of Conspiracy Theory. I can't believe there are people who think that remaining silent while watching our government slowly turn into an Orwellian nightmare is the right thing to do. It boggles the mind.
 
DA60 said:
It is innocent until proven guilty...not guilty until proven innocent.

Or do you disagree with that?


I never said he did or did not...but unlike many here, I will condemn him for a crime only after the proof has been presented...not on the assumption that it will.
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Snowden has already been proven guilty of stealing classified information. He has admitted it.
 
DA60 said:
And just which country could he have 'run to' that would have semi-guaranteed his safety?


As for secrets he may have given to the Russians?

Where is your link to unbiased factual proof that he gave even ONE military secret to the Russians?
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There are no such links. But he must of shared all our military secrets with Russia.
 
Carleen said:
Where is your proof that he didn't? I also wonder what happened to the guy who gave him his access to the info. Haven't heard a thing or maybe I am just uninformed.
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Prove a negative. It would seem the burden of proof would be upon those who have made the accusation that he did.
 
Carleen said:
Snowden has already been proven guilty of stealing classified information. He has admitted it.
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I didn't say that.

I said;

'So you have ZERO proof that he has told the Russians anything more then what he released to the public.'

In other words, where is the proof that he told the Russians anything he has not already told the world?
 
DA60 said:
I didn't say that.

I said;

'So you have ZERO proof that he has told the Russians anything more then what he released to the public.'

In other words, where is the proof that he told the Russians anything he has not already told the world?
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We may never find that out.
 
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