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World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

code1211 said:
Are you saying he is succeeding or failing in achieving his goals?
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Do you think those are the only two options? Try to channel your inner Obama and be "liberal street intelligent" enough to see what other options might exist.
 
code1211 said:
If it's not his goal, somebody better let him know that everything he is doing is leading to that singular end.

If it's not his goal, you'll have to tell me what his actions indicate he is striving to achieve.

Words are cheap. Deeds are precious.
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A weakening US has been in progress for a few decades, its inevitable, and its not going to reverse in 16, even if a republicans in the White House.
 
code1211 said:
North Korea has Nukes and we don't invade. If you have Nukes, you have territorial integrity. If you don't have nukes, you don't have territorial integrity.
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Then why would we be up in arms if Iran wants nukes?
 
Montecresto said:
Then why would we be up in arms if Iran wants nukes?
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It's mostly the Israeli lobby pressuring Washington to be up in arms about Iran. Israel does not care about America's domestic priorities such as helping struggling Americans find jobs or watching the Mexican border.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Do you think those are the only two options? Try to channel your inner Obama and be "liberal street intelligent" enough to see what other options might exist.
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What are the other options?
 
Montecresto said:
A weakening US has been in progress for a few decades, its inevitable, and its not going to reverse in 16, even if a republicans in the White House.
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The country and its place in the world is very similar to the country and its place in the world as the Carter administration was winding down.
 
Montecresto said:
Then why would we be up in arms if Iran wants nukes?
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The point of this is that Iran will not be deterred from getting Nukes.

Unless they are blind, they have watched what has happened.

Whether we are upset or not, we are impotent to affect Iran's intentions.
 
code1211 said:
What are the other options?
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You...don't know them? It could be that your goals and his are not the same. It could be that your idea of how he's done in achieving his goals are not the same as his. It could be that your idea of what has transpired could be different from other people.

Like maybe he wants the US to be the best in exactly the same ways you want it to be the best, using the exact same measurements, but he just sucks at getting things done. And so many other options in between. Maybe you suck at thinking what the best is? And so many options in between.

If you want to be taken seriously, you need to do better.
 
code1211 said:
The point of this is that Iran will not be deterred from getting Nukes.

Unless they are blind, they have watched what has happened.

Whether we are upset or not, we are impotent to affect Iran's intentions.
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Good, as it should be.
 
Since you're comparing Obama to stalin, didn't Stalin commit genocide in eastern Ukraine and repopulate with Russians?
The same Russians who want to secede from Ukraine today ?
APACHERAT said:
Obama does remind me some what like that of Joseph Stalin.
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fmw said:
WW III. Hardly. I doubt a shot will ever be fired. The Europeans are doing nothing about it and it isn't really any of our business. Things will eventually calm down and Crimea will be part of Russia again.
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I think this just about sums up my thoughts on this.
 
solletica said:
Even if Ukraine had nukes, it wouldn't have used them in this crisis, so it's irrelevant.
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It wouldn't need to because this crisis wouldn't have happened.
 
24107 said:
It's mostly the Israeli lobby pressuring Washington to be up in arms about Iran. Israel does not care about America's domestic priorities such as helping struggling Americans find jobs or watching the Mexican border.
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Except that in a global poll, Americans considered Iran the biggest threat to world peace, that's how well US government propaganda works on the domestic audience. The rest of the world considers the US to be the greatest threat to world peace.
 
code1211 said:
The point of this is that Iran will not be deterred from getting Nukes.

Unless they are blind, they have watched what has happened.

Whether we are upset or not, we are impotent to affect Iran's intentions.
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Good, we've caused enough harm with our "strength"
 
I wish I could find credentials on the author of that article.
 
Montecresto said:
Sends a good message to Iran!
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Iran doesn't need me to tell them what everyone in the world knows.

The problem with Iran is they may be the one soon to be nuclear powers in the world crazy enough that MAD has no sway on them.
 
jmotivator said:
Iran doesn't need me to tell them what everyone in the world knows.

The problem with Iran is they may be the one soon to be nuclear powers in the world crazy enough that MAD has no sway on them.
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Jmo! I didn't mean YOU were sending a message to Iran. I'm not worried about Iran. I've learned to look at our governments left hand when their drawing my attention to their right.
 
Lerxst said:
I don't see this escalating to WW3...as long as we don't let the war addicted hawks in Congress push the President to actually thinking we need to shoot Russians over this. The Ukrainians aren't shooting Russians, other Europeans aren't shooting Russians, so we shouldn't be thinking about shooting Russians. Ultimately I think this will back fire on Putin both in the Ukraine and at home.
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Yea, I bet they thought the same thing in Russian Georgia.
 
WWIII has already begun folks.

Islamic terrorism has no official state, but it controls several. It is patient, and it likes to stay in the shadows. Each decade, attacks are becoming more impactful and widespread. The footprint of terrorism now pervades much of Europe, Africa, and Indonesia. And governments (the US is the worst right now) are making the horrible mistake of trying to placate and "understand" these militants, which is a fatal error of epic proportions.

When your enemy is only interested in your total death and destruction, and will not stop at anything less than that, then the war will never end until one of you is gone altogether.

It's not traditional, but WWIII is already upon us.
 
Erod said:
WWIII has already begun folks.

Islamic terrorism has no official state, but it controls several. It is patient, and it likes to stay in the shadows. Each decade, attacks are becoming more impactful and widespread. The footprint of terrorism now pervades much of Europe, Africa, and Indonesia. And governments (the US is the worst right now) are making the horrible mistake of trying to placate and "understand" these militants, which is a fatal error of epic proportions.

When your enemy is only interested in your total death and destruction, and will not stop at anything less than that, then the war will never end until one of you is gone altogether.

It's not traditional, but WWIII is already upon us.
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We need to eliminate Islam from the world?
 
Coin said:
I doubt i will ever see the WW3 till i die.

WW2 happen because of Hitler.

You can't entirely blame Hitler for WWII either. There were millions of people who put him into office, and a government full of bureaucrats and officials who enthusiastically enabled him. At any point during his rise to power they could have pulled the plug.
Hitler didn't happen in a vacuum. He didn't seize control overnight. He was enormously popular, and he embodied the will of his people at the time.

I do not see any leader/country today to have the balls to start the WW3.
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World War Two happened because we allowed Hitler happen....
 
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