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Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

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Here we go boys and girls. Putin has officially bitch slapped obama and thumbed his nose at the United States and the world. This is how world wars start and this is what obama's make America weak policy has got us.


"The American and Russian presidents spoke on the phone for 90 minutes on Saturday after Russia's parliament voted unanimously to deploy troops in Ukraine, defying warnings from Western leaders not to intervene." Saturday's developments come as Russian troops and their local allies have already largely taken control of Crimea, a restive province of Ukraine that belonged to Russia until 1954 and remains predominantly pro-Russian.
In a statement after the call between Mr. Putin and Mr. Obama, the White House said the U.S. "condemns Russia's military intervention into Ukrainian territory."
Mr. Putin told Mr. Obama that Russia reserved the right to intervene in Ukraine to protect its interests and those of the Russian-speaking population there, according to a statement from the Kremlin.
Mr. Putin also spoke of "provocations, crimes by ultranationalist elements, essentially supported by the current authorities in Kiev." It wasn't clear what incidents Mr. Putin was referring to.
In Moscow, Russian lawmakers also asked Mr. Putin to recall the country's ambassador to the U.S. On Friday,


Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine - WSJ.com
 
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Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine
 
Here we go boys and girls. Putin has officially bitch slapped obama and thumbed his nose at the United States and the world. This is how world wars start and this is what obama's make America weak policy has got us.

"The American and Russian presidents spoke on the phone for 90 minutes on Saturday after Russia's parliament voted unanimously to deploy troops in Ukraine, defying warnings from Western leaders not to intervene." Saturday's developments come as Russian troops and their local allies have already largely taken control of Crimea, a restive province of Ukraine that belonged to Russia until 1954 and remains predominantly pro-Russian.
In a statement after the call between Mr. Putin and Mr. Obama, the White House said the U.S. "condemns Russia's military intervention into Ukrainian territory."
Mr. Putin told Mr. Obama that Russia reserved the right to intervene in Ukraine to protect its interests and those of the Russian-speaking population there, according to a statement from the Kremlin.
Mr. Putin also spoke of "provocations, crimes by ultranationalist elements, essentially supported by the current authorities in Kiev." It wasn't clear what incidents Mr. Putin was referring to.
In Moscow, Russian lawmakers also asked Mr. Putin to recall the country's ambassador to the U.S. On Friday,


Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine - WSJ.com

I'm just curious. Although this wouldn't be an exact parallel, do you think we'd listen to Russia if we sent troops into Mexico to protect American interests there?

I don't.
 
I'm just curious. Although this wouldn't be an exact parallel, do you think we'd listen to Russia if we sent troops into Mexico to protect American interests there?

I don't.

What makes this different is we would not take over Mexico and install a pupett president. Putin is rebuilding the Soviet empire and obama's "reset" policy has been a huge failure. If Reagan was pres Putin would not do this.
 
Here we go boys and girls. Putin has officially bitch slapped obama and thumbed his nose at the United States and the world. This is how world wars start and this is what obama's make America weak policy has got us.


"The American and Russian presidents spoke on the phone for 90 minutes on Saturday after Russia's parliament voted unanimously to deploy troops in Ukraine, defying warnings from Western leaders not to intervene." Saturday's developments come as Russian troops and their local allies have already largely taken control of Crimea, a restive province of Ukraine that belonged to Russia until 1954 and remains predominantly pro-Russian.
In a statement after the call between Mr. Putin and Mr. Obama, the White House said the U.S. "condemns Russia's military intervention into Ukrainian territory."
Mr. Putin told Mr. Obama that Russia reserved the right to intervene in Ukraine to protect its interests and those of the Russian-speaking population there, according to a statement from the Kremlin.
Mr. Putin also spoke of "provocations, crimes by ultranationalist elements, essentially supported by the current authorities in Kiev." It wasn't clear what incidents Mr. Putin was referring to.
In Moscow, Russian lawmakers also asked Mr. Putin to recall the country's ambassador to the U.S. On Friday,


Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine - WSJ.com

When a superpower makes a move to (re)take territory then you have very few choices even if your nation is also a superpower. What did Bush 43 do when Russia "took control of" Georgia? What, exactly, would you have Obama's telepromter do about this latest Russian adventure?
 
When a superpower makes a move to (re)take territory then you have very few choices even if your nation is also a superpower. What did Bush 43 do when Russia "took control of" Georgia? What, exactly, would you have Obama's telepromter do about this latest Russian adventure?

We can't do anything militarily and I would not propose we do. The only reason Putin is doing this though is because he perceives obama as weak and easy to push around. Obama has thrown away all our leverage with his talk of a smaller military and less nukes. If we had a hawk pres trying to get approval for a larger military and better nukes Putin wouldn't do this because it would push congress over to our presidents side. Reagan defeated the Soviet Union with his strength and obama is letting it rebuild with his weakness.
 
What makes this different is we would not take over Mexico and install a pupett president. Putin is rebuilding the Soviet empire and obama's "reset" policy has been a huge failure. If Reagan was pres Putin would not do this.

I would think Putin would be more concerned about why we put a dead man in office.

What, exactly, do you think Obama should do? Turn Moscow into cinders?
 
If Reagan was pres Putin would not do this.

I think there is a vast difference between Gorbachev and KGB agent Putin. So it is hard to say what difference would it make if Reagan were in office or for that matter if Truman was in office.

Since you are unhappy with Obama here, what would you propose we do? Would you send our troops into the Ukraine?
 
I'm just curious. Although this wouldn't be an exact parallel, do you think we'd listen to Russia if we sent troops into Mexico to protect American interests there?

I don't.
No cause we sent cash and equipment instead to Mexico. The Cartels still rule.
 
What makes this different is we would not take over Mexico and install a pupett president. Putin is rebuilding the Soviet empire and obama's "reset" policy has been a huge failure. If Reagan was pres Putin would not do this.

Based on what evidence would we not do exactly you said, if Mexico had stuff we wanted?
 
I would think Putin would be more concerned about why we put a dead man in office.

What, exactly, do you think Obama should do? Turn Moscow into cinders?

Obama has put America in a position of weakness and that is why Putin is doing this. Your answer is in post # 6.
 
I think there is a vast difference between Gorbachev and KGB agent Putin. So it is hard to say what difference would it make if Reagan were in office or for that matter if Truman was in office.

Since you are unhappy with Obama here, what would you propose we do? Would you send our troops into the Ukraine?

post # 6 is my answer.
 
We can't do anything militarily and I would not propose we do. The only reason Putin is doing this though is because he perceives obama as weak and easy to push around. Obama has thrown away all our leverage with his talk of a smaller military and less nukes. If we had a hawk pres trying to get approval for a larger military and better nukes Putin wouldn't do this because it would push congress over to our presidents side. Reagan defeated the Soviet Union with his strength and obama is letting it rebuild with his weakness.


LOL. Russia defeated itself. Reagan just happened to be the dude in office when it finally (inevitably) happened.....

Unless it's your opinion the communism worked a great, and it was only through US presidential influence that it failed?
 
We can't do anything militarily and I would not propose we do. The only reason Putin is doing this though is because he perceives obama as weak and easy to push around. Obama has thrown away all our leverage with his talk of a smaller military and less nukes. If we had a hawk pres trying to get approval for a larger military and better nukes Putin wouldn't do this because it would push congress over to our presidents side. Reagan defeated the Soviet Union with his strength and obama is letting it rebuild with his weakness.

Yeah, I just don't buy that. We are NOT going to act militarily against Russia for their actions in the Ukraine. Even you say that's not going to happen. No country is fool enough to think we cannot mobilize militarily in a NY Minute should the need arise. And we certainly don't need anymore nukes.

I think we should be glad we're downsizing the military. It means we have no plans to put boots on the ground anytime soon. And we don't need boots on the ground to protect our interests anyhow. We only need boots on the ground to protect the interests of others, and I should think we're all pretty tired of that right about now.
 
The positions obama has taken on a smaller military and getting rid of nukes.

1. A larger military would do nothing to prevent Putin from taking the actions he is.

2. Both the U.S. and Russia have gotten rid of SOME nukes, and both of us still have enough to reduce each other to ash 10 times over.

Next.
 
Obama has put America in a position of weakness and that is why Putin is doing this. Your answer is in post # 6.

So far, no one's been able to explain to me what Obama could have done to avert Putin's move into the Ukraine. Can you?
 
Mexico has stuff we want but we will never send in troops to take it.

Because Mexico doesn't harbor a cult who's members engage in acts of terrorism all over the world, nor is it governed by a man engaging in genocide and amassing WMDs.

But we did EXACTlY what you said to TWO middle eastern nations already.

Did we seek Putin's permission to do so?
 
We can't do anything militarily and I would not propose we do. The only reason Putin is doing this though is because he perceives obama as weak and easy to push around. Obama has thrown away all our leverage with his talk of a smaller military and less nukes. If we had a hawk pres trying to get approval for a larger military and better nukes Putin wouldn't do this because it would push congress over to our presidents side. Reagan defeated the Soviet Union with his strength and obama is letting it rebuild with his weakness.

BS - then explain why Russia felt free to "invade" Georgia while "cowboy" Bush was busy spending billions in Iraq and Afghanistan? Russia will do pretty much whatever it wants, just as the U.S. does, as that is what superpowers do. After all, China (with its stellar human rights record) now enjoys most favorable nation status for trade with us.
 
LOL. Russia defeated itself. Reagan just happened to be the dude in office when it finally (inevitably) happened.....

Unless it's your opinion the communism worked a great, and it was only through US presidential influence that it failed?

Reagan was attacked by the left for his military build up and his nuke policy not to mention "star wars". The USSR was on shaky ground and Reagan pushed them over the edge. They would have survived a pres like obama and are in fact now rebuilding with obama in power.
 
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