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Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

TheNextEra said:
Sorry but your guessing there just like all the others on the left that said Gore would have been a better president. Your opinions do not matter.

Fact is I have criticized BOTH the Dems and GOP, you just continue to be the GOP lapdog
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How can I be a GOP lapdog brah? I'm NOT, repeat NOT a republican. LOL


Tim-
 
Kobie said:
I really couldn't care less. I've criticized Obama plenty of times. The fact that you ignore it is not my problem.
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Glad to be of service, but like I said, purely judging by your posting history you appear to be an Obama cheerleader. Correct the record, I mean, it's not like I read everything you write, but enough to know that I feel confident in my observation.



Tim-
 
Hicup said:
Glad to be of service, but like I said, purely judging by your posting history you appear to be an Obama cheerleader. Correct the record, I mean, it's not like I read everything you write, but enough to know that I feel confident in my observation.



Tim-
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I couldn't care less.
 
Kobie said:
I would think Putin would be more concerned about why we put a dead man in office.

What, exactly, do you think Obama should do? Turn Moscow into cinders?
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There you go defending Oh'Bozo again..

Yes...... We should bomb their assets/resources (like they have any - look at Costas eyes).

That is the only way - there is NO diplomacy here. Oh, not to mention North Korea and China. China is obviously backing Russia, and North Fricking Korea is jumping into this pie-hole-hell...... North Korea is releasing US hostages --- something even Denis Rodman, Jimmy Carter or even Bill Clinton couldn't do.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
There you go defending Oh'Bozo again..

Yes...... We should bomb their assets/resources (like they have any - look at Costas eyes).

That is the only way - there is NO diplomacy here. Oh, not to mention North Korea and China. China is obviously backing Russia, and North Fricking Korea is jumping into this pie-hole-hell...... North Korea is releasing US hostages --- something even Denis Rodman, Jimmy Carter or even Bill Clinton couldn't do.
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So your solution to a troop buildup by Russia in the Ukraine is to go to war with Russia, China and North Korea at the same time.

Let's just say I hope you never get a position of authority in my government.
 
humbolt said:
Obama can't do much of anything significant to stop it. Military involvement is out of the question. The military is tired, and the public is tired of protracted war. We have only two of 10 carriers deployed, and we're busy downsizing. This situation is more about Russia exploiting the circumstances than anything in particular Obama has or hasn't done. We have been fairly flat footed in foreign affairs during his administration, but this is the action of an expansionist Russia filling a perceived power vacuum in an area where its simple for them to do so. The EU can't change their energy sources overnight and can't rebuild their military overnight either. Maybe it's a wake up call. I bet it is for Poland, and those ABM systems we cancelled could be back on the table in short order, among other things. Though I'd be surprised to see it, Putin may have just overplayed his hand. We'll see.
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Flat footed is kind. Incoherent is a better description.
 
sawdust said:
Flat footed is kind. Incoherent is a better description.
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True, but that's because you and I lack the vision and intelligence to understand that losing is really winning.
 
Why would anyone respond to what someone is saying about Palin?
And please, run her in 2016.
Btw, she's losing by double digits in a Senate race where people know here best, as a quitter .
 
apdst said:
Has The United States invaded other countries and murdered millions of people? Is the POTUS a former KGB colonel, that wishes to go back to the days of The Iron Curtain?
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Our stated reasons for opposing what the Russians are doing in Crimea are hypocritical. We've spent the last 60 years toppling governments, some democratically elected, and invading nations for purely geopolitical, ideological, and economic reasons. The Russians are no different. If we're going to oppose it then we should at least be honest about the reason(s) why. That said, Crimea became an autonomous region from Ukraine for a reason and the people who live there are entitled to the same choice of destiny as those in Kiev who overthrew Yanukovych. It seems to me that they have made their choice. Besides, what do you expect us to do about it? Occupy Ukraine and stand toe-to-toe with the Russians to see who blinks?
 
Napoleon said:
Our stated reasons for opposing what the Russians are doing in Crimea are hypocritical. We've spent the last 60 years toppling governments, some democratically elected, and invading nations for purely geopolitical, ideological, and economic reasons. The Russians are no different. If we're going to oppose it then we should at least be honest about the reason(s) why. That said, Crimea became an autonomous region from Ukraine for a reason and the people who live there are entitled to the same choice of destiny as those in Kiev who overthrew Yanukovych. It seems to me that they have made their choice. Besides, what do you expect us to do about it? Occupy Ukraine and stand toe-to-toe with the Russians to see who blinks?
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By that logic, we should have never went to war against the Nazis. Right?

Look, the hypocrisy argument went out the window the day after you people started using it.
 
apdst said:
By that logic, we should have never went to war against the Nazis. Right?

Look, the hypocrisy argument went out the window the day after you people started using it.
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You do realize that while history can show us many ways in which we can improve our future decisions, not EVERYTHING can be compared to world war 2?

You do this absolutely every single thread regarding anything warfare including Afghanistan which is just folly.

Trying to come to a conclusion about which steps to take in any war using WW2 solely as the reference is like the Generals in France before Germany invaded in WW2 using WW1 solely as a reference for defense... and we all know how that turned out.
 
apdst said:
By that logic, we should have never went to war against the Nazis. Right?
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If you recall, Nazi Germany declared war on the United States not the other way around so your point is moot.
 
Jetboogieman said:
You do realize that while history can show us many ways in which we can improve our future decisions, not EVERYTHING can be compared to world war 2?

You do this absolutely every single thread regarding anything warfare including Afghanistan which is just folly.

Trying to come to a conclusion about which steps to take in any war using WW2 solely as the reference is like the Generals in France before Germany invaded in WW2 using WW1 solely as a reference for defense... and we all know how that turned out.
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WW2 is the only war that you people agree was worth fighting. Your hatred of America and ignorance of history leaves me no choice but to use WW2 repeatively.

Besides that, WW2 is a great example of how NOT to handle foreign affairs. You people keep insisting that repeating the same mistakes made prior to WW2 is the way to go. Again, it's because of your ignorance of history.
 
Napoleon said:
If you recall, Nazi Germany declared war on the United States not the other way around so your point is moot.
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Doesn't really matter, since there's no way Germany could have acted on that declaration of war.
 
apdst said:
Doesn't really matter, since there's no way Germany could have acted on that declaration of war.
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I think you're mistaken and you're also missing the point. Back then, the United States had the balls to admit that it only cared about democracy and an inalienable right of a people to shape their own destiny so long as it benefited the United States and the offending parties left us alone. These days, we lie through our teeth. Why should we care about Russia maintaining the status quo in Crimea? If our foreign policy motivations are solely based around some inalienable right of a people to shape their own destiny then why impose the choices of the people in Kiev on an autonomous region which clearly does not want to go down the same path?
 
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MaggieD said:
I'm just curious. Although this wouldn't be an exact parallel, do you think we'd listen to Russia if we sent troops into Mexico to protect American interests there?

I don't.
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Great point, thanks for posting it.
 
Napoleon said:
I think you're mistaken, but you're also missing the point. Back then, the United States had the balls to admit that it only cared about democracy and an inalienable right of a people to shape their own destiny so long as it benefited the United States and the offending parties left us alone. These days, we lie through our teeth.
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No, the United States is still the bright shining beacon on the hill.
 
apdst said:
WW2 is the only war that you people agree was worth fighting. Your hatred of America and ignorance of history leaves me no choice but to use WW2 repeatively.
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The only hatred of America I have is imagined by you.

And it's pretty rich you saying I'm ignorant of history when you're one of the worst revisionists on the site.

WW2 has no bearing on the current situation or Afghanistan.

The history of the Soviet Union and the Cold War are far more important lenses to view the situation through.
 
apdst said:
No, the United States is still the bright shining beacon on the hill.
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Only in the sense that we were the last man standing, pretty unscathed thanks to geography, at the end of WWII while the rest of the civilized world was digging itself out of the rubble. We try to maintain that image with a lot of smoke, mirrors, and an underlying kiss my a** or I'll kick your head in foreign policy.
 
Jetboogieman said:
The only hatred of America I have is imagined by you.

And it's pretty rich you saying I'm ignorant of history when you're one of the worst revisionists on the site.

WW2 has no bearing on the current situation or Afghanistan.
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You're the only one talking about Afghanistan. :lamo

WW2 has everything to do with the current situation. You can bet your ass that Putin has read up on that period of history, as well as taken notice of the weakness of current world leaders.

The history of the Soviet Union and the Cold War are far more important lenses to view the situation through.
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You mean like when The Soviets invaded Hungary and murdered hundreds of civilians? Or when The Soviets invaded Afghanistan and murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians? Oh, wait, you must mean when Stalin starved 5 million people to death, when he cut off food to The Ukraine? Which is it?
 
Napoleon said:
Only in the sense that we were the last man standing, pretty unscathed thanks to geography, at the end of WWII while the rest of the civilized world was digging itself out of the rubble. We try to maintain that image with a lot of smoke, mirrors, and an underlying kiss my a** or I'll kick your head in foreign policy.
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We were the ones that saved the day, during WW2. You should always, always remember that.
 
apdst said:
We were the ones that saved the day, during WW2. You should always, always remember that.
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People often have an exaggerated impression of what it was we accomplished during WWII. Our victory was thanks largely to the continued efforts of our allies, no small amount of luck, Hitler's own stupidity, and of course the Russians. You and everyone else should remember that the United States wasn't alone and that many, many people suffered and died to make our job easier and facilitate a victory.
 
Napoleon said:
People often have an exaggerated impression of what it was we accomplished during WWII. Our victory was thanks largely to the continued efforts of our allies, no small amount of luck, Hitler's own stupidity, and of course the Russians. You and everyone else should remember that the United States wasn't alone and that many, many people suffered and died to make our job easier and facilitate a victory.
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The Soviets and the Brits couldn't have won the war without American involvement.
 
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