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I read this article The Republican Party's Talent Gap - Alex Roarty - The Atlantic. The last presidential election surprised me. It seemed to me the Republicans were on the defensive not pro-active in the media. I could not believe they ran Romney. The Republican's don't seem to have that WOW factor. They didn't put out a lot that would sway Democrat's to their side. Romney said today he would not be a contender in 2016, he felt it would help Democrats win. D.C. Notebook: Why Mitt Romney won
 
Romney was a perfectly credible and competent candidate and would have made a fine President. Unfortunately, too many people voted for your "WOW factor" candidate, even after four years of incompetence, and forgot to ask questions like - wow, do I really want to vote for this dolt again? - wow, can he really be as bad in a second term as he was in the first? - wow, does a President really have to have more than just a nice smile? - wow, just wow.
 
They'd probably win as long as they select a moderate to run for president or if Hillary doesn't run.
 
The article in The Atlantic says Republicans are way behind in how they campaign. In 2012 it seemed like they were thinking let's run Romney again, we are going to loose anyway.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Romney was a perfectly credible and competent candidate and would have made a fine President. Unfortunately, too many people voted for your "WOW factor" candidate, even after four years of incompetence, and forgot to ask questions like - wow, do I really want to vote for this dolt again? - wow, can he really be as bad in a second term as he was in the first? - wow, does a President really have to have more than just a nice smile? - wow, just wow.
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I would submit that millions of GOP-type voters did not vote, as has been proven on previous threads by GOP voters.
For different reasons, I also believe Romney would have been as good and effective as Obama, especially due to the House intransigience.
About as good as Gore would have been, right ?
 
I didn't mean to imply that Romney would not make a good President. But the campaign in 2012 was lop-sided. I hope to see a good Republican campaign in 2016. It makes for good commercials.
 
NIMBY said:
I would submit that millions of GOP-type voters did not vote, as has been proven on previous threads by GOP voters.
For different reasons, I also believe Romney would have been as good and effective as Obama, especially due to the House intransigience.
About as good as Gore would have been, right ?
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Good evening NIMBY - yes, I agree, there was a large number of Christian conservatives who would not vote for a Mormon and they stayed away from the ballot box.

Claiming Romney would be "as good and effective as Obama" is really a low blow - do you hate Romney that much?

Even worse, claiming he'd be "as good as Gore" is almost like a slap in the face.
 
LOL cj.
It's good to read your humor.
In spite of his ongoing criticisms of Mr. Obama, Mr. Romney has sounded intelligent.
Just asking, but did previous losing candidates, besides the active Sen. McCain who has a right to criticize on policy,
criticize soon after the election as Romney?
I don't remember Mr. Bush-41 or Mr. Dole doing this, let alone Misters Kerry or Gore ..
CanadaJohn said:
Good evening NIMBY - yes, I agree, there was a large number of Christian conservatives who would not vote for a Mormon and they stayed away from the ballot box.

Claiming Romney would be "as good and effective as Obama" is really a low blow - do you hate Romney that much?

Even worse, claiming he'd be "as good as Gore" is almost like a slap in the face.
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NIMBY said:
LOL cj.
It's good to read your humor.
In spite of his ongoing criticisms of Mr. Obama, Mr. Romney has sounded intelligent.
Just asking, but did previous losing candidates, besides the active Sen. McCain who has a right to criticize on policy,
criticize soon after the election as Romney?
I don't remember Mr. Bush-41 or Mr. Dole doing this, let alone Misters Kerry or Gore ..
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Gore was all over Bush on a regular basis after the 2000 election - he was constantly carping about "global warming" and the Bushies doing nothing about it, even though Gore and Clinton refused to try to sell Kyoto to the US congress.

Kerry was still a Senator after the 2004 election and he also criticized Bush on a regular basis.

Both Bush Presidents are gentlemen and never criticized the successors to their jobs, knowing full well how difficult the task is. That never stopped Carter or Clinton, however, who both continue to believe they are the answer to every question.
 
Fact is Repiblicans don't have a rock star, and democrats have the media / Hollywood making rock stars out of incompetent liars. And if ofailure can't score a few million immigrant voters he'll take the past felons with the help of conservative libertarians.
 
You can't say I didn't try.
CanadaJohn said:
Gore was all over Bush on a regular basis after the 2000 election - he was constantly carping about "global warming" and the Bushies doing nothing about it, even though Gore and Clinton refused to try to sell Kyoto to the US congress.

Kerry was still a Senator after the 2004 election and he also criticized Bush on a regular basis.

Both Bush Presidents are gentlemen and never criticized the successors to their jobs, knowing full well how difficult the task is. That never stopped Carter or Clinton, however, who both continue to believe they are the answer to every question.
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NIMBY said:
You can't say I didn't try.
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I'm not sure what you were trying - there's just not really good sample size to choose from - Mondale's dead - Bush lost to Clinton, but Bush was a diplomat and a President, so he's not going to get in the gutter criticizing - Dole lost to Clinton, but Dole was the Senate Majority Leader at the time and soon to retire and his wife was running in 2000 - that leaves Gore, Kerry, McCain and Romney - are you saying that Romney actively goes out of his way to criticize Obama the way Gore did Bush? I haven't seen that, although I have seen Romney interviewed and he continues to give his honest opinion about issues on which he and Obama disagree.
 
Media wise the Republicans just handed the election to the Democrats. Can you hand off an election and complain too?
 
CanadaJohn said:
Romney was a perfectly credible and competent candidate and would have made a fine President. Unfortunately, too many people voted for your "WOW factor" candidate, even after four years of incompetence, and forgot to ask questions like - wow, do I really want to vote for this dolt again? - wow, can he really be as bad in a second term as he was in the first? - wow, does a President really have to have more than just a nice smile? - wow, just wow.
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No, the reason that Romney lost is people thinking like this. The GOP just could never admit to themselves that liberals vote for democrats based on honest ideological beliefs just as much as conservatives do the same. Instead, they managed to convince themselves that black people only vote for handouts, and because Obama is black. Latinos only vote for handouts and for amnesty. Women just vote for Obama because he's handsome. Young people just vote Obama because he's cool. All superficial bull****, apparently all of their demographics are just filled with lazy idiots..... Say how come none of these groups vote for US!?

News flash: when you spend an entire campaign telling a group of people they're stupid, they're less likely to vote for you, not more. The other thing the GOP leadership needs to realize: it's not just your messaging. It's your beliefs. People don't scream "war on women" because republicans say stupid things about women. They scream "war on women" because of the beliefs that lead to those statements. change the policy, not the packaging. This isn't a ****ing cosmetic problem, you dolts. The party you are running can't be fixed with a change in language.

Edit: they also need to realize that 2010 was the outlier, not 2008. They really got it into their heads that they need to shift further right because it worked that one time kinda. 2010 was an anti-incumbency wave brought on by economic disaster, not a resurgence of Real Conservatives.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Romney was a perfectly credible and competent candidate and would have made a fine President. Unfortunately, too many people voted for your "WOW factor" candidate, even after four years of incompetence, and forgot to ask questions like - wow, do I really want to vote for this dolt again? - wow, can he really be as bad in a second term as he was in the first? - wow, does a President really have to have more than just a nice smile? - wow, just wow.
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Romney might have been fine up until "47 percent." Say what you want about "what he really meant," but what it sounded like was "Half of you are lazy." It was what filpped my vote from him to Johnson.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Romney was a perfectly credible and competent candidate and would have made a fine President. Unfortunately, too many people voted for your "WOW factor" candidate, even after four years of incompetence, and forgot to ask questions like - wow, do I really want to vote for this dolt again? - wow, can he really be as bad in a second term as he was in the first? - wow, does a President really have to have more than just a nice smile? - wow, just wow.
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There are numerous reasons why Romney lost, but the ones you listed are all in your head.

Two of the many, many reasons Obama was reelected was because of the group of completely unserious candidates the GOP put forth, and how each of them was presented in desperation before finally settling on Romney, who everyone knew was going to be the final candidate anyway. So, 1)when you have candidates like Perry, Cain, Gingrich, Santorum and Bachman, this effectively (fairly or unfairly) paints the entire Republican party as crazy extremists. And 2)When the GOP settles on Romney as if to say, "Fine! Whatever!" they're pretty much communicating that if they're not interested in him, why should we be?

But keep thinking the real reason is that Obama was handsome and black people like handouts. I want Democrats to be in power more than Republicans.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Apparently, Romney was right - they are stupid.
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Precisely what I'm talking about: a complete inability to actually engage someone's beliefs, just call them stupid and racist and greedy. Keep doing that, democrats will laugh all the way to reelection.
 
Deuce said:
Precisely what I'm talking about: a complete inability to actually engage someone's beliefs, just call them stupid and racist and greedy. Keep doing that, democrats will laugh all the way to reelection.
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One question I've never gotten a straight answer on is, how many conservatives did Obama win over after he made his "bibles and guns" comment?
 
rocket88 said:
Romney might have been fine up until "47 percent." Say what you want about "what he really meant," but what it sounded like was "Half of you are lazy." It was what filpped my vote from him to Johnson.
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I see - so one fairly innocuous comment, taken out of context and blown up by a media whose goal was to relelect their man, invalidates your perception of Romney's ability to govern and be a strong President.
 
Cardinal said:
There are numerous reasons why Romney lost, but the ones you listed are all in your head.

Two of the many, many reasons Obama was reelected was because of the group of completely unserious candidates the GOP put forth, and how each of them was presented in desperation before finally settling on Romney, who everyone knew was going to be the final candidate anyway. So, 1)when you have candidates like Perry, Cain, Gingrich, Santorum and Bachman, this effectively (fairly or unfairly) paints the entire Republican party as crazy extremists. And 2)When the GOP settles on Romney as if to say, "Fine! Whatever!" they're pretty much communicating that if they're not interested in him, why should we be?

But keep thinking the real reason is that Obama was handsome and black people like handouts. I want Democrats to be in power more than Republicans.
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You're the second liberal who's alluded to race when there was zero mention of race in my comments. It's a typical liberal argument when it comes to this President - if you have no basis of counter-argument, scream race.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I see - so one fairly innocuous comment, taken out of context and blown up by a media whose goal was to relelect their man, invalidates your perception of Romney's ability to govern and be a strong President.
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It was certainly the most quotable comment, but it was far from the only example of Romney having general disdain or outright contempt for poor people and non-Republicans.
 
Deuce said:
Precisely what I'm talking about: a complete inability to actually engage someone's beliefs, just call them stupid and racist and greedy. Keep doing that, democrats will laugh all the way to reelection.
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Again, keep playing from the liberal handbook and shoot your opponents down with false accusations related to race. I mentioned race NOT ONCE!!

The stupidity I refer to is an electorate who suffered through 4 years of Obama incompetence and economic disaster with no relief in sight and ran back to the ballot box to give the idiot four more years.
 
CanadaJohn said:
You're the second liberal who's alluded to race when there was zero mention of race in my comments. It's a typical liberal argument when it comes to this President - if you have no basis of counter-argument, scream race.
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Okay, so you personally did not bring race into it. Have a cookie. Absurd simplifications, including "black people like handouts," have been used to explain their 2012 loss.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Again, keep playing from the liberal handbook and shoot your opponents down with false accusations related to race. I mentioned race NOT ONCE!!

The stupidity I refer to is an electorate who suffered through 4 years of Obama incompetence and economic disaster with no relief in sight and ran back to the ballot box to give the idiot four more years.
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Which means that...drumroll....Romney didn't present himself as a superior alternative.
 
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