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Senate candidate under fire for posting grisly images to Facebook

RiverDad said:
People would be surprised at some of the cracks made by aid workers in Africa dealing with starvation, mass deaths, war crimes. Their actions speak volumes, their cracks are a release valve so that they can vent about what they're seeing in a non-clinical and non-emotional manner. Having a crying jag all the damn time gets wearisome.
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Yes, but the guy doesn't have the right to put other people's medical information on the internet. I'm not as upset about the jokes as I am about the violation of privacy (and a few laws too), then saying it's a "gotcha game."
 
rocket88 said:
Yes, but the guy doesn't have the right to put other people's medical information on the internet. I'm not as upset about the jokes as I am about the violation of privacy (and a few laws too), then saying it's a "gotcha game."
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To my understanding, the info was anonymized. Whether it goes on the internet or into textbooks or into a professor's class notes, the information is not placed into a sealed envelop and forgotten. Maybe I'm wrong and the actual individuals are identified and if so, then this is horrible.

The problem I see here is that the citizens keep clamoring for politicians who are not professional, slick politicians who measure every soundbite and triangulate every damn position against opinion polls and then we get these types of citizen-politicians who are not slick, who are not professional, who are not polished and what do we do, we criticize them for not being slick, not being professional politicians, not being polished.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Perhaps an uneducated leap - I was only thinking that 50 caliber is like a sniper rifle and usually snipers are government agents - could be shooting at hostage takers, bank robbers, maybe even in war zones although Kansas is far from a war zone, unless you're a male who donated sperm to a sperm bank, but that's a whole other can of worms.
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Dunno for certain either, and I never want to find out first person, but from what I've heard a .45 will make a big hole. A round or 2 in the neck, yeah, I can see that happening.

I agree whole heartily that he should not have posted these X-rays of patients. Especially so if they are still alive. Given some of the wounding and maiming we are talking about, decapitations and such, doubtful that they survived, but then, why bother with an X-ray at that point anyway?
 
RiverDad said:
To my understanding, the info was anonymized. Whether it goes on the internet or into textbooks or into a professor's class notes, the information is not placed into a sealed envelop and forgotten. Maybe I'm wrong and the actual individuals are identified and if so, then this is horrible.

The problem I see here is that the citizens keep clamoring for politicians who are not professional, slick politicians who measure every soundbite and triangulate every damn position against opinion polls and then we get these types of citizen-politicians who are not slick, who are not professional, who are not polished and what do we do, we criticize them for not being slick, not being professional politicians, not being polished.
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It's not about being a slick politician, it's about having a little common decency and thinking before you speak.
 
specklebang said:
Maybe but how did the Tea Party get into this profound discussion?

Are you saying Obama is a Tea Party member?
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Summerwind said:
Maybe I misunderstood, but apparently the person being quoted, Wolf, is a TP darling and also some offhand relative of Obama's.
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I read the article a high speed and missed this:
Wolf, who frequently mentions in campaign stops that he is a distant cousin to Democratic President Barack Obama, has been endorsed by groups aligned with tea party organizers. He authored a book, “First, Do No Harm: The President's Cousin Explains Why His Hippocratic Oath Requires Him to Oppose ObamaCare.”
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So, OK, sure, he has Tea Party supporters. I really need to read more slowly. As for his heinous crime, it kind of makes me like the guy. I won't move to Kansas and vote for him, I promise. But I support the macabre as a form of general education. And he's peddling a book without even being more than a candidate. He's got spirit and he can make a few bucks selling his book. Probably won't be elected but he got his 15 minutes. He can't be all bad, can he?

As for the "Obama is a tea party member? I was just messing with the OP. You know that I'm just being silly sometimes. I'm old. Not everything I say makes sense.
 
eohrnberger said:
Wouldn't be the first time crap like this in politics.

Remember Todd Aikin? Hand picked as an opponent by Claire McCaskill, supported with campaign contributions from her campaign. Of course, the media never reported any of that, and unfairly hung the entire Republican party with it.

The good radiologist obviously shouldn't have gone and done that, but I've also heard that doctors crack the worst doctor jokes during the middle surgeries. Probably a good thing the patient is out during the procedure.
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In Nevada, some genius picked Sharon Angle to run against Harry Reid who was at the nadir of his popularity. So, it certainly makes you wonder.

I suppose he's done something wrong but I just think it's so cool that I can't get mad about it.
 
CanadaJohn said:
So this is basically someone killed by the government and/or a very rare occurrence.
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Not sure why that's important but yes I think that someone who was decapitated strictly by a bullet or bullets would be rare indeed, doesn't really change the fact that the person was still decapitated and their imagery is now being mocked.
 
eohrnberger said:
Dunno for certain either, and I never want to find out first person, but from what I've heard a .45 will make a big hole. A round or 2 in the neck, yeah, I can see that happening.

I agree whole heartily that he should not have posted these X-rays of patients. Especially so if they are still alive. Given some of the wounding and maiming we are talking about, decapitations and such, doubtful that they survived, but then, why bother with an X-ray at that point anyway?
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I agree with your point as it relates to Facebook - x-rays and other medical "data" are often used as training tools and educational purposes, but without any patient info/ID connected. There's no similar relevance to Facebook. Besides, here in Canada and I assume in the US, there are pretty strong privacy laws related to patient information, even of the dead, so it's hard to see how he managed to "acquire" these in a legal way.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I agree with your point as it relates to Facebook - x-rays and other medical "data" are often used as training tools and educational purposes, but without any patient info/ID connected. There's no similar relevance to Facebook. Besides, here in Canada and I assume in the US, there are pretty strong privacy laws related to patient information, even of the dead, so it's hard to see how he managed to "acquire" these in a legal way.
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Seems to me to be a blatant violation of HIPAA. At the very least, it's a severe breach of ethics; at worst, it's illegal misconduct.
 
Goshin said:
Doctors, medical types, EMTs, firemen and cops end up with odd senses of humor. You kinda have to, to survive and stay sane seeing some of what we see. Some of the jokes are indeed macabre and 'black'
and may fall flat to those who don't understand the context and experiences of such people.

In short... I haven't seen his page but I doubt this is really such a big deal.
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Fireman around here call cops Blue Canaries - if there are no dead cops when they arrive on scene, they know there are no deadly fumes and it is safe for them to go in.
 
Kobie said:
Seems to me to be a blatant violation of HIPAA. At the very least, it's a severe breach of ethics; at worst, it's illegal misconduct.
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Not if the subject is anonymous.
 
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