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"NYC: More Black Babies Killed by Abortion Than Born " This is so sad

rcart76 said:
You watch too much damn TV....

And see this is half the problem. I bet you have never set foot in the inner city yet you criticize it like you are a expert.
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Spot on!

I worked for a decade in some of NYC's worst neighborhoods (South Bronx, Harlem, East New York, Crown Heights, etc) during the height of the crack epidemic and was never shot at or mugged. In fact, I was never the victim of any crime while in those neighborhoods.
 
Gipper said:
Corporate tax cuts that encourage hiring, welfare-to-work reform, so on and so forth.
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I don't see how corporate tax cuts can encourage hiring. It only encourages lower prices - not a bad thing.
 
You are obviously misunderstanding the point, Speckleburg. It would be better for them to be born and vote Republican when they grow up:roll:
 
votemout said:
NYC: More Black Babies Killed by Abortion Than Born | CNS News

(CNSNews.com) – In 2012, there were more black babies killed by abortion (31,328) in New York City than were born there (24,758), and the black children killed comprised 42.4% of the total number of abortions in the Big Apple, according to a report by the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.

The report is entitled, Summary of Vital Statistics 2012 The City of New York, Pregnancy Outcomes, and was prepared by the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, Office of Vital Statistics. (See Pregnancy Outcomes NYC Health 2012.pdf)

I bet the demonocratic party is so happy their agenda is working.
I for one think its so sad:boohoo:
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So..instead of aborting unwanted pregnancies resulting in children living in abject poverty and pulling more drain on the welfare system and public assistance programs...you're willing to adopt and raise these future children.

Good for you!
 
Gipper said:
Well at least we know you support handouts instead of people actually earning stuff.

Maybe you should take your tin cup to Washington.
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Hey, the Dems may offer handouts but the Repubs offer so on and so forth.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Try two and that speaks volumes in itself.
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Republicans have long been more friendly to the SBA than Democrats. They've also supported funding for educational grants. The medical community also sees funding increase with Republicans.
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
So..instead of aborting unwanted pregnancies resulting in children living in abject poverty and pulling more drain on the welfare system and public assistance programs...you're willing to adopt and raise these future children.

Good for you!
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It shouldn't be an either/or proposition. I don't have the answers, but it can't be good to have a demographic aborting more than birthing and a demographic with just less than 20% of the population accounting for just over 40% of all abortions in the jurisdiction.

It would be interesting to see statistics that indicate the percentage of other minorities in the population and their incidence of abortion to birth. I'd expect that there's a large latino population in metropolitan NYC with a similar level of poverty in the group. Would it tell us something if their incidence of abortion to birth is significantly different?

Seems to me, your comment is simply an excusing and an acceptance of a negative trend - I'd hate to think that America has taken the position that abortion is a public policy initiative to control poverty in minorities by reducing the minority population going forward.
 
CanadaJohn said:
It shouldn't be an either/or proposition. I don't have the answers, but it can't be good to have a demographic aborting more than birthing and a demographic with just less than 20% of the population accounting for just over 40% of all abortions in the jurisdiction.

It would be interesting to see statistics that indicate the percentage of other minorities in the population and their incidence of abortion to birth. I'd expect that there's a large latino population in metropolitan NYC with a similar level of poverty in the group. Would it tell us something if their incidence of abortion to birth is significantly different?

Seems to me, your comment is simply an excusing and an acceptance of a negative trend - I'd hate to think that America has taken the position that abortion is a public policy initiative to control poverty in minorities by reducing the minority population going forward.
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It's not an excuse. I am an adoptive mother of one and a biological mother to another. I have the both of best world's.

However. Abortion is not something I necessarily advocate for, but I'm sick and tired of the pro life crowd spewing this kind of "how sad" crap when there are other options than abstinence (just for example). I do not see a lot of "let's think of other options", just a lot of finger pointing about who's more morally bankrupt.

To be clear..it has LESS to do with race and MORE to do with the fact that most unwanted pregnancies occur in poverty. Period.
 
sangha said:
Spot on!

I worked for a decade in some of NYC's worst neighborhoods (South Bronx, Harlem, East New York, Crown Heights, etc) during the height of the crack epidemic and was never shot at or mugged. In fact, I was never the victim of any crime while in those neighborhoods.
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That's funny, I lived in them, and I can assure you I have a different experience.
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
It's not an excuse. I am an adoptive mother of one and a biological mother to another. I have the both of best world's.

However. Abortion is not something I necessarily advocate for, but I'm sick and tired of the pro life crowd spewing this kind of "how sad" crap when there are other options than abstinence (just for example). I do not see a lot of "let's think of other options", just a lot of finger pointing about who's more morally bankrupt.

To be clear..it has LESS to do with race and MORE to do with the fact that most unwanted pregnancies occur in poverty. Period.
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This clearly states the abolition 'issue' as it is discussed. It's not about the mother or the unborn child. It's not about providing real choice nor is it about the welfare and well being of pregnant women. It is about the politics of cause.
 
Zyphlin said:
The news is sad, and the resulting back and forth is also sad.

The reality is we're going to have a bad and sad situation whether we continue to allow abortion in most cases or if we change to disallowing abortion in most cases. There's not going to be any simple quick fix.

On one hand, you're looking at 30K+ lives that will never actually come to be. On the other hand, you'd be looking at 30k+ children born to homes where they're not wanted, can't financially support it, or some other less [Romney]"Ideal"[/Romney] situation and thus likely creating a drain on society OR causing a child to enter into a horrible disadvantaged life.

It's an unfortunate damned if you do, damned if you don't situaiton that we've gotten ourselves into in this country.

There's not a doubt in my mind that people are less concerned with the notion of getting pregnant since there is a relatively simple "out". There's also no doubt in my mind that if abortoin is made illegal there will still be a sizable percentage of those 30k+ instances that would still had pregnancy occur.

The problem we're having isn't necessarily one of laws, but of culture. Because this debate is so polarized and so emotional you can't even tend to get reasonable middle ground to be understood.

Yes...contraception is a GOOD THING. Yes, people should be made aware of contraception and we should make it as accessible as possible. Even if you think that will make more people have sex, the better and more important question would be if that meant more people who were having sex used protection. I'd take 100 people having sex and 90% of those using protection over 50 people having sex and 50% using protection.

Yes...abstinence being the safest and best choice should be highlighted. Sex should not be constantly portrayed in society as a hobby akin to going out and playing basketball. Abortion should be viewed with some social stigma and a means of dealing with an emergency and NOT a relative routine thing that can be relyed upon if a mistake occurs.

Those 30k abortions were going to have a largely negative impact in some fashion REGARDLESS of the law on abortion, because our society has created a situation where you could even get to that many unwanted pregnancies in a community in a single year. That's the sad part to me; that we've allowed ourselves to go so far down the road that we're faced with this damned if you do/damned if you don't situation.
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I would like to know why 30,000 babies were not wanted. Doesn't that seem extreme?
 
rcart76 said:
Exactly. I tried to explain to them that no one wants to be talk at. If you are sincere about getting us out of our situation, then you should open a dialogue and say

"Okay , this is what the democrats have been giving you and this is why its not working. We have an alternative solution that will get you out of the mess you are in."

But instead they do this:

"You all are bringing down the country and you need to get your sorry a**es in shape..... Don't forget to vote republican"
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People hear what they want to hear.
 
RiverDad said:
Good catch, but it's mostly beyond the point. Almost all organizations have rules in place to preserve the goals and character of the organization in order to prevent a highjacking from occurring. This was a favorite tactic of American Communist back in the 20-50s. They'd join an organization, scope it out, then they'd organize a mass enrollment where they constituted a majority of the members, call for elections, vote themselves into office, subvert the mission of the organization and reorient it towards some Communist mission and they'd deplete the resources of the organization and then abandon it.

I'm pretty sure that the NAACP has some provision in its charter to prevent the KKK from mass enrolling, taking over the NAACP and then spending the NAACP resources on KKK propaganda.

Christian groups on college campuses often admit people who are not Christian but who are curious or working towards adopting the faith. Same with Muslim groups, same with Mormon groups. What they object to, and what college administrator push on them, is to allow such people to lead groups and to change the mission of the group to be more inclusive.

The NAACP is not race-inclusive in its mission even though it admits some token whites either as spectacles, as supporters of the mission, or as some form of observer.
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Yeah kind of like the tea party.
 
rcart76 said:
Yeah kind of like the tea party.
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And the Obama Campaign staff.

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mac said:
I would say Black elected conservatives would be the key to that....that is if they weren't automatically dismissed as uncle Toms by the very same black community that has been electing Democrats for 60 years and still live in poverty.
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Granted there are some in our community that would label all black republicans as Uncle Toms, But there is a larger percentage who just view them as brothers or sisters with different opinions. There are a number of black conservatives who have a lot of respect from the black community

TD Jakes
Ward Connerly
Collin Powell
Ben Carson
Richard Parson
Condoleeza Rice

Just like white America, blacks think differently to. The ones that we call Uncle Toms are some of the black commentators that fox brings on the air for the sole purpose of discrediting black people by saying "hey he is black and they agree with me". Yet those same individuals have never said anything positive about there own people.


The phrase "Uncle Tom" has also become an epithet for a person who is slavish and excessively subservient to perceived authority figures, particularly a black person who behaves in a subservient manner to white people; or any person perceived to be a participant in the oppression of their own group.
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rcart76 said:
Granted there are some in our community that would label all black republicans as Uncle Toms, But there is a larger percentage who just view them as brothers or sisters with different opinions.
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I don't see that. From where I sit, you've got the proportions reversed. Frankly, the cohesion in the vote suggests that there must be some cultural signaling and containment going on otherwise the vote would be more diverse, in line with what you claim is the open attitude to political diversity.


There are a number of black conservatives who have a lot of respect from the black community

TD Jakes
Ward Connerly
Collin Powell
Ben Carson
Richard Parson
Condoleeza Rice
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I'm surprised by your claim that Connerly is respected. I know that a lot of blacks are very upset with him for trying to undo Affirmative Action and they're the only ones I read about. Who is praising Connerly?

Powell, Rice and Carson I see being praised for their accomplishments, not their political views. Praise for Parson has escaped my attention but I doubt that he's praised for his politics rather than his accomplishment.
 
RiverDad said:
I don't see that. From where I sit, you've got the proportions reversed. Frankly, the cohesion in the vote suggests that there must be some cultural signaling and containment going on otherwise the vote would be more diverse, in line with what you claim is the open attitude to political diversity
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And where are you sitting from? Where did you get your knowledge from regarding the black community?

The problem with the republican party dialogue with the minority community is they talk about us as if we are everything that is wrong with this country. Now I am a well educated man who has a great career and do not need anything from the government. I vote democrat because one of the main reason is I feel like a enemy in your party. And there are a lot of blacks just like me that feels this way. Also I take offense by the notion that all minorities are lazy and just want to stay home and live off the government. Back in the 80's my parents struggled and needed government assistance to put food on the table. I remember my dad feeling depress because he couldn't provide for his family for two years. He did little odd jobs like washing cars or doing day laborers jobs so we can keep the lights on. So when I see republicans demonized everyone that needs assistance, I take that very personal.
 
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