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Noose Found Around The Neck Of Statue Honoring Civil Rights Icon At Ole Miss

rocket88 said:
Two racist white guys were seen in the area (or at least they were heard saying racist things). A racist gesture occurred. It is possible that they didn't do it, but circumstantially it looks like it.

That is more evidence than "I think it's a hoax because I want to."
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They were allegedly heard saying racist things...

Like I said, where was the context?

I didn't really buy that testimony...seemed a little to convenient...
 
So what?

Sounds like a stupid, drunk prank.


Giving it weight is exactly what the idiot(s) that did it want.

Take the noose off the statue and go about your daily lives and give such nonsense the time they deserve...none.
 
tech30528 said:
If there were witnesses, I suggest the perpetrators be identified. Then someone can simply ask them rather than speculating. The statue is bronze and we are talking about college students. They may not even be aware that the person depicted was in fact black.
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You're kind of stretching here, don't you think? Anybody with a passing knowledge of the Civil Rights movement knows who James Meredith was.
 
Nothing with even an inkling of racialism happens in Mississippi. If anything, we should look at it as a beacon of integration and amicable racial relations. Mississippi led the way when it came to passing the Civil Rights Act. It was supported by many whites in the state and to this day, Mississippi as a state remains the most racially desegregated state in the contiguous 48.
 
ChezC3 said:
They were allegedly heard saying racist things...

Like I said, where was the context?

I didn't really buy that testimony...seemed a little to convenient...
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As I said, still more evidence than "I think it's a hoax because I want to."

Amazing how conservatives, who have a long history of being on the vanguard of anti-racism want to see this as a hoax, yet are prepared to declare that the Muppets are communist propaganda.
 
votemout said:
Anyone here notice that you do not hear about the constant black on white crimes? It happens daily but you do not hear about it EVER.
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Except, of course, when you do. That "knockout game" hysteria wasn't that long ago.
 
rocket88 said:
As I said, still more evidence than "I think it's a hoax because I want to."

Amazing how conservatives, who have a long history of being on the vanguard of anti-racism want to see this as a hoax, yet are prepared to declare that the Muppets are communist propaganda.
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I'm not saying it is a hoax, I just challenge the validity of the testimony involving the two whites in question. It seemed rather contrived...
 
ChezC3 said:
I'm not saying it is a hoax, I just challenge the validity of the testimony involving the two whites in question. It seemed rather contrived...
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Yes, as we know, whites in Mississippi have never engaged in any kind of animosity towards black. As a matter of fact, the state repudiated the KKK and you'd be hard to find a single white person from Mississippi who is in any way connected to the KKK.
 
rocket88 said:
You're kind of stretching here, don't you think? Anybody with a passing knowledge of the Civil Rights movement knows who James Meredith was.
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That sounds fair. But it doesn't mean it is impossible for a couple of frat boys to not know it. They may be there from somewhere it is not taught or prominant. It may have been something we covered 30 years ago when I was in high school, but before this thread I could not have looked at that statue and told you who it was. And I went to high school 35 miles west of Chicago.

Or perhaps they were just idiots. Perhaps they went to Mississippi because they didn't get accepted anywhere else. My opinion (that they are disrespectful assholes at the very least) is irrelevant. I used to think everybody in my field could flip from standard to metric in their head because I can and do it so often in my job. Turns out most can't. I was shocked. But assuming that these guys had the passing knowledge of the civil rights movement is a big if. There was another thread discussing a survey of basic science knowledge where 1 in 4 did not know the earth circled the sun. It's unfortunate, but there are a lot of morons out there.
 
Hatuey said:
Yes, as we know, whites in Mississippi have never engaged in any kind of animosity towards black. As a matter of fact, the state repudiated the KKK and you'd be hard to find a single white person from Mississippi who is in any way connected to the KKK.
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This happened recently. I happen to live in the south and hear stories about the days before and during the civil rights movement and the only person I know of who was associated with the KKK is ..... a Democrat Senator.
 
Hatuey said:
Yes, as we know, whites in Mississippi have never engaged in any kind of animosity towards black. As a matter of fact, the state repudiated the KKK and you'd be hard to find a single white person from Mississippi who is in any way connected to the KKK.
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Yes, we know that those Mississippians just spew racial epithets out involuntarily for no reason whatsoever, any time, day or night, they can't help themselves, no self control with them people...

:roll:
 
tech30528 said:
This happened recently. I happen to live in the south and hear stories about the days before and during the civil rights movement and the only person I know of who was associated with the KKK is ..... a Democrat Senator.
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Well, isn't that far more convenient than a false flag operation in a state not known for its history with racism. Did you know that the song Mississippi Goddamn was written because of the way in which Mississippi stood up against racism? ;)

 
rocket88 said:
Two racist white guys were seen in the area (or at least they were heard saying racist things). A racist gesture occurred. It is possible that they didn't do it, but circumstantially it looks like it.

That is more evidence than "I think it's a hoax because I want to."
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I didn't say it was a hoax, just that a hoax was a possibility. You said witnesses saw two white guys do it, and that's not true.

shrubnose said:
Do you have any proof that this was a 'false flag' operation?
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So you need proof now to mention that as a possibility? Why? It's not like that sort of thing never happens, is it now. I think it's more likely to be a hoax than real because it's such a gross provocation typical of such hoaxes -- hanging effigies from trees, scrawling racial epithets on people's dorm room doors and campus walls, etc.

Glen Contrarian said:
So there's a possible indication that two white guy may have had something to do with it, but nothing concrete...but there's not even a possible indication that it was a false flag operation, other than in the minds of those who want to believe it.

'scuse you. "Everyone" isn't even close to everyone - it's the blacks and the non-racist whites who get upset. Those whites who are racist or who tolerate racists either don't care about or even support that statue being dishonored.
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I doubt that there are as many racists on campus as you seem to think.

And the Gulf Coast is not the Delta. Out here in Washington state it's like there's two states - the liberals on the west side of the Cascades, and the conservatives on the eastern side of the Cascades. Same thing in Mississippi - the Delta's like no other part of America. Not only that, but you'll find that the half of MS north of Jackson is also significantly different - with generally greater overt racial tension - than the half of MS south of Jackson. But as I pointed out - having been a racist, remember - once they're out of earshot of the blacks (or of whites they haven't yet come to trust), out comes the n-words and all the racist assumptions and prejudice. You haven't seen it because you haven't been a real part of the community. I've seen it - I've lived it.

But when it comes to the college campuses, an interesting thing happened in the 2012 MS GOP primary. All the counties with the highest percentages of African-American populations - the Delta and the area around Jackson - voted for Romney...and so did the counties where Ole Miss and MSU are located. But pretty much the rest of Mississippi's 82 counties - the whitest counties - voted for Santorum. Now one would think that all that was normal since Romney was seen as more liberal than Santorum, and the heavily-black and the college counties would naturally be more liberal...

...but less than one percent of those who voted in the GOP primary were black. This begs the question of why is it that - given that the Delta is to this day ground zero for racism in America - the whites in the counties that were most heavily black voted for the less conservative Romney, yet the whites in the 'whitest' counties voted for Santorum (who has his own problems with race - Google "Santorum blah people" sometime). That's an interesting question, and I still haven't figured it out yet.
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You keep describing the whole state of Mississippi as if Ole Miss culture mirrors it. Sorry, but that makes no sense at all. It's an institution of higher learning.

tech30528 said:
This happened recently. I happen to live in the south and hear stories about the days before and during the civil rights movement and the only person I know of who was associated with the KKK is ..... a Democrat Senator.
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Well, that figures since Democratic Party membership was required for KKK membership.
 
Hatuey said:
Well, isn't that far more convenient than a false flag operation in a state not known for its history with racism. Did you know that the song Mississippi Goddamn was written because of the way in which Mississippi stood up against racism? ;)

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No ****! Somebody wrote a song about it? Well, that changes everything....
 
tech30528 said:
No ****! Somebody wrote a song about it? Well, that changes everything....
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Well no, I'm simply saying that there is no way that a state like Mississippi would have racial tension. It's not known for violence, racism, prejudiced racial views or any kind of animosity that would be negative towards blacks.
 
LowDown said:
I doubt that there are as many racists on campus as you seem to think.
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And I doubt that there are as few racists as you seem to think. Remember, I was once one of them - I know whereof I speak. I once lived that life - including at college, since I attended at Mississippi State University over in Starkville. It is true that the college towns will be by nature more liberal than other areas...but only in comparison to the local cultural norms.


You keep describing the whole state of Mississippi as if Ole Miss culture mirrors it. Sorry, but that makes no sense at all. It's an institution of higher learning.
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No, quite the opposite - Ole Miss, like other colleges, will normally be more liberal than the local cultural norms...but if you knew Mississippi half as well as you seem to think you do, you'd know that "more liberal than the local cultural norms" ain't saying much at all.

Well, that figures since Democratic Party membership was required for KKK membership.
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You're making the mistake of conflating Democratic v. Republican with Liberal v. Conservative...so I've got another story for you:

One of our family acquaintances was a guy by the name of James O. Eastland. He was a U.S. senator for many years (my grandmother used to sell honest-to-goodness moonshine in his store) and he even offered to get me into the Naval Academy, which I declined - I somehow realized that I just wasn't ready for that, and I was right.

Anyway, if you'll dig deeply into Sen. Eastland's story, you'll find that this particular senator (who was twice president pro tempore) was as conservative as they come - and for a generation, he was quite literally the most powerful racist in America - Google "White Citizens Council", which later became "Conservative Citizens Council". He was the driving force behind making those happen. And then there was his "Academy System" of schools to preserve segregation after the Civil Rights Act - and most of those academies are all-white even today...including Indianola Academy where I attended in 1976 - even today, IA is 100% white...in a 71% black county. Think about that.

Yes, Eastland was a Democrat...and he was very, very conservative. You see, the South never really cared about being Democratic so much as they did about being Conservative...which is why the Democratic "Solid South" became the solid Republican base of today. Nixon understood this, which was why his "Southern Strategy" - wherein he would get the Souths "negrophobe vote" - would work to get him elected...and he was right.

In other words, guy, just as I wouldn't presume to school you on Texas politics and Hispanic issues in Texas, don't try to school me on MS politics and African-American issues...because you're only showing just how much you don't know.
 
LowDown said:
I didn't say it was a hoax, just that a hoax was a possibility. You said witnesses saw two white guys do it, and that's not true.



So you need proof now to mention that as a possibility? Why? It's not like that sort of thing never happens, is it now. I think it's more likely to be a hoax than real because it's such a gross provocation typical of such hoaxes -- hanging effigies from trees, scrawling racial epithets on people's dorm room doors and campus walls, etc.



I doubt that there are as many racists on campus as you seem to think.



You keep describing the whole state of Mississippi as if Ole Miss culture mirrors it. Sorry, but that makes no sense at all. It's an institution of higher learning.
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Well, that figures since Democratic Party membership was required for KKK membership.
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Right.

Ole Miss is an institute of higher learning in the state of Mississippi.
 
The constant attempts to tie the KKK to today's Democratic Party, as if either party resembles their name-only counterparts from 100 years ago, is laughably dishonest.
 
Wiseone said:
What if I didn't come up with any conclusion at all? Some people wait before they have a single sentence of information from a known bull****ter like the OP before they make an opinion.

Crazy I know.
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Since you came into the thread believing the OP to be a "known bull****ter" it would appear you drew a conclusion. You couldn't even hide it for two sentences.
 
tech30528 said:
This happened recently. I happen to live in the south and hear stories about the days before and during the civil rights movement and the only person I know of who was associated with the KKK is ..... a Democrat Senator.
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That figures since Democratic Party membership was required for KKK membership in those days. And no, those guys didn't run to the Republican party, they stayed where they were for the most part. They just changed tactics.

Glen Contrarian said:
So there's a possible indication that two white guy may have had something to do with it, but nothing concrete...but there's not even a possible indication that it was a false flag operation, other than in the minds of those who want to believe it.
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Sorry, but that sort of thing has been happening too often to not even consider the possiblity. Willful blindness won't cut it.

Glen Contrarian said:
And I doubt that there are as few racists as you seem to think. Remember, I was once one of them - I know whereof I speak. I once lived that life - including at college, since I attended at Mississippi State University over in Starkville. It is true that the college towns will be by nature more liberal than other areas...but only in comparison to the local cultural norms.

No, quite the opposite - Ole Miss, like other colleges, will normally be more liberal than the local cultural norms...but if you knew Mississippi half as well as you seem to think you do, you'd know that "more liberal than the local cultural norms" ain't saying much at all.
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Uh huh.

You're making the mistake of conflating Democratic v. Republican with Liberal v. Conservative...so I've got another story for you:

One of our family acquaintances was a guy by the name of James O. Eastland. He was a U.S. senator for many years (my grandmother used to sell honest-to-goodness moonshine in his store) and he even offered to get me into the Naval Academy, which I declined - I somehow realized that I just wasn't ready for that, and I was right.

Anyway, if you'll dig deeply into Sen. Eastland's story, you'll find that this particular senator (who was twice president pro tempore) was as conservative as they come - and for a generation, he was quite literally the most powerful racist in America - Google "White Citizens Council", which later became "Conservative Citizens Council". He was the driving force behind making those happen. And then there was his "Academy System" of schools to preserve segregation after the Civil Rights Act - and most of those academies are all-white even today...including Indianola Academy where I attended in 1976 - even today, IA is 100% white...in a 71% black county. Think about that.

Yes, Eastland was a Democrat...and he was very, very conservative. You see, the South never really cared about being Democratic so much as they did about being Conservative...which is why the Democratic "Solid South" became the solid Republican base of today. Nixon understood this, which was why his "Southern Strategy" - wherein he would get the Souths "negrophobe vote" - would work to get him elected...and he was right.

In other words, guy, just as I wouldn't presume to school you on Texas politics and Hispanic issues in Texas, don't try to school me on MS politics and African-American issues...because you're only showing just how much you don't know.
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LBJ was a racist and a segregationist, too. He never stopped being a racist, but he changed his tactics and ended up doing more damage to the black family and community than the fellow you mention would ever dream of doing. He could not have done more damage if he was trying, and I'm not altogether totally convinced he wasn't. Few people would say he was conservative.

Mr.Nick said:
Far more than most these incidents turn out to be perpetrated by minorities themselves for political or sympathy reasons.

They want to keep the lie of racism alive because it's a perfect excuse for them.....
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Victimhood is an identity too valuable to give up easily.

shrubnose said:
Right.

Ole Miss is an institute of higher learning in the state of Mississippi.
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Thanks for that demonstration of liberal fairness, tolerance, and open mindedness.

Kobie said:
The constant attempts to tie the KKK to today's Democratic Party, as if either party resembles their name-only counterparts from 100 years ago, is laughably dishonest.
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Well, let's look at the evidence. Democrats still want to keep blacks dependent on them, they were dragged to welfare reform, which raised more blacks out of the ghetto than any other measure, kicking and screaming and now want to roll the reforms back. They still want to keep poor black kids and other poor kids in bad schools and don't want them to have any way out. (I mean to say, how evil can you get?) They want to eliminate a lot of starting level jobs by making them too expensive. They've made it nearly impossible for blacks or anyone else to reach independence by starting their own small businesses. Their economic policies have been a disaster for the black community. No, they aren't the same as the old Southern Democrats. They're worse. Who needs the KKK when you have the welfare state to destroy people, their families, and their communities?
 
Sounds like a couple of assholes to me, regardless of their intent or motivation.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Far more than most these incidents turn out to be perpetrated by minorities themselves for political or sympathy reasons.

They want to keep the lie of racism alive because it's a perfect excuse for them.....
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A quick Google search will turn up nativity scenes vandalized every year. I bet it's the Christians themselves that do it, don't you?

And Republicans sure were busy vandalizing Romney signs and making death threats...
Valley Tea Partiers' Romney Sign Vandalized | NBC Southern California
 
Kobie said:
The constant attempts to tie the KKK to today's Democratic Party, as if either party resembles their name-only counterparts from 100 years ago, is laughably dishonest.
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And yet pathetically it happens every time. I don't know what to say "Oh, you're right, I better get back to the white power slogans I've been learning from Al Sharpton."
 
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